our chances of drafting a QB just got better

Looks like he'll be taking a paycut.

 

I don't understand all the hate for Cam Newton. Do any of you really think he's the only player in college football who got paid? Puh-leeeeze!

 

I dont hate him. Im just not aboard the full speed ahead hype train.

 

I don't think they hate him for getting paid. Poking fun at him for getting caught is funny though.

Also, I don't think there are too many people here who think he'll be a good NFL QB anyhow.

 

Huge difference between Henne and Newton:

-Henne only recently bought a laptop to study plays

-Newton had a stolen laptop that he tossed out the window when the police knocked on the door

Newton clearly is not only smarter, but has more escape ability...

 

Lol keep them rolling in!

 

He earned every penny he was paid at Auburn.

 

Another big difference is Newton went for the touchdown and stole the laptop.

Henne would have panicked, checked down, and ended up steeling a calculator.

 

Cam Newton=Vince Young 2.0

I rather we sign VY in free agency than draft Newton

 

Me too. Young is 30-17 as a NFL starter and willed his college team to a National Championship. Newton is 0-0 in the NFL and didn't look so hot in his.

 

This news doesn't even really help us. He wont be the top QB drafted, or even probably top 3 drafted. The guy has to look to the sideline have his coach read the defense for him. He isn't really accurate. I expect him to go late 20's even into the second round.

 

Hopefull we're not stupid enough to draft him

 

Please, he will run fast, jump high, "Make every throw", and look like gold at the combine when he takes his shirt off! Whats not to love?

Please let somebody before us take this guy so I won't throw up on my keyboard!

 

Judging one game?

Young is 30-17 as an NFL starter.

VY could easily be a long term head case for sure or a change of scenery could be just what the doctor ordered. I don't know. Regardless, I know you watched his championship game and thought damn, that kid put his team on his back and won a big game. Newton played OK in his. He missed a wide open receiver in the end zone and threw an ugly pick, but he wasn’t terrible. Not sure why his coach didn’t give him a chance to win the game, but that’s another discussion.

With all that said I’d probably take Newton at 15, but with no 2nd round pick, I’m not impressed enough to give up next years #1 to move up to get him.

As of today, Vince Young is better than Cam Newton and cheaper.

 

Seems pretty silly to judge Vince Young solely on his record. The Titans were 30-17 with VY as a starter, despite VY being the starter. There's a reason Fisher won't coach VY anymore. VY is a glorified Jay Fiedler. He wins games, but he is not good enough to win the big games in the NFL because he lacks the key abilities a QB needs to carry his team in the tough situations. Plus, you add the fact that he's 1 boo away from a nervous breakdown + you add the fact that he's so injury prone from being a running back playing a QB on TV.

I don't want either VY or Cam Newton, but if you're going to take one of these running QBs, I go with the younger one that has a few years before his body starts breaking down. If we sign Vince Young as a starter, I'll never get over it.

 

Yep, one of the big reasons the Titans are 30-17 in those starts are Chris Johnson

 

Good defense, good ST as well, the Titans were a solid team around VY.

As for Newton, I am not wild about him, kinda don't like his situation as imho he lacks experience enough to take a huge chance on him.

We have a nice string of non bust #1 picks rolling..

Even then though, a part of me says "go for it", we may not have many busts, we also have few playmakers.

Eh, difference between a brick layer and a gambler, slow and steady vs overnight success.

 

if we go by way of draft, I suggest we decide who is the best
QB available in the draft & move up, if necessary & get him

 

66% isn't accurate enough for you?!?!

 

He is a huge project, and not NFL ready. If a team wants to draft him and sit him for a year or two, then he might be worth it. We can only hope that someone drafts him ahead of us, and it lets one of the real NFL ready guys to fall to us, or it allows Ingram to fall to us.

 

The real problem here is that we are all guessing. I'd love for us to get Cam but what then? I am seriously questioning our ownership. What is the plan, are we a passing team as we have Marshall and Bess, a running team if we bring back Brown? What is the team's identity? Newton would energize the team at first for sure and he cannot be any worse than Mark Sanchez. But to what end. In this division I think its best to draft D, use a strong running game and keep the likes of Brady off the field. I want no part of Vince Young, he is terrible for the clubhouse and thats not the identity we need.

 

Against college players, watch that take a big dip when he start playing pro football

 

Well, when I watched Auburn, Newton was hitting WIDE open Wr's gardenhead, he was not throwing into NFL sized windows, that is one of the things, along with not enough starting experience, that makes me a bit gun shy about drafting him.

Hitting guys open by 4 steps is now huge feat, what happens when it is just 1 step?

 

IMHO, the QB role in the NFL is going thru a make-over. You will see alot more of the Tim Tebow types of QBs in the NFL. Not only will they be able to pass, but they will tuck the ball and run like a great TE.

That makes the job of the D coord harder. They will have to keep a LB just behind the line to shadow the QB. If they send the LB on a blitz and he misses, the QB can run for huge yards, if he has his LB wait for the run to stop a huge break-away, he will have more time to throw. It's tuff.

I'm all aboard the new style QB. At least have one on the roster. I think Cam is more a big Steve Young over a Vince Young.

 

one thing to keep in mind though is cam newton will have to learn the pro game. the adavntage of vince young is he's already been in the league for a few years. you get to bypass the learning curve with vince which in cam's case will probably be about three years.

 

Wouldn't cost us the #15 either, Adamp, I am beginning to think that particular strain of Derangement is beginning to emerge, Dolfans Quarterback Derangement Syndrome, a sort of ******ed consensus is beginning to emerge, and Ross is supporting it, that fans know best..

They don't at this point in time we would have Brady Quinn at Qb if "fans" had any input in Football Decisions..among other things.

 

there's the million dollar question. Newton will struggle. I can see him easily evolving to Vince's current level (which IMO is not nearly good enough to make it far in the playoffs). question is, can he evolve farther than VY and be worthy of a 1st round pick. I have serious doubts.

And to further Padre's point, Todd McShay was just discussing how Cam's biggest weakness is his accuracy under pressure. His point is that Cam Newton should not be drafted until the end of round 1.

 

That is a scenario I could live with, if we trade back and pick up a late #1 pick and late #2 or early #3, if we take Newton then it would make much more sense as we could address the running game AND have a good Qb prospect.

The problem with Newton imho is if he is drafted, we got nothing until pick #78, we start rebuilding the running game with a 3rd rd pick? That is going to fail.

Now a plan B, depending on the OC, would be to resign Ronnie B and pair him up with a younger running back taken later in the draft, then go Oline #3-#6, then add a scat back type/returner in the 7th rd.

Or sign Chad Owens from the CFL.

 

I still would rather have Quinn at QB than Ginn at WR.

 

That would be BRILLIANT!

Ginn won as many games singlehandidly as Quinn has won as a Starting NFL Qb.

Fans should not make football decisions, we are a stupid lot.

 

We're better off signing VY. All of the QBs, as I see it, in this draft are developmental. At least VY has had time to develope.

 

You're joking, right? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm serious.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if VY can get on some meds and if they are dosed properly, I think he will be a pretty good QB.

 

Excuse me me but why all the Newton hype......ciuldnt we end up drafting another Russell (Raiders)? No chances ....get a proven free agent please!

 

Ginn won games single handedly...BRILLIANT!

A #7 pick who was thrown to 242 times as a Dolphin that resulted in 5 TD catches. Apparently having one good game against the Jets on Kick Returns (the first return was designed by the ST coach, not Ginn's instincts and the second return Ginn got lucky b/c he didn't wait for his blocks) overshadows all the dropped passes, running for out of bounds, diving on the ground to avoid being hit, fumbles, and letting easily caught punts bounce and roll for excessive yard loss was a BRILLIANT decision by the FO.

Ginn's play contributed to a lot more LOSSES than "one" win.

And "no" I am not saying fans should make the call or that Quinn is a good QB. I am saying Quinn was a better QB than Ginn was a WR.

 

This is the truth. I really don't care for Vince Young being here but if it comes down to him or drafting Cam Newton with the #15 I'm in favor of going after VY. Cam Newton is the second coming of VY. In three years he will be in the same place just watch. Cam Newton is not at all ready to be an NFL QB. His mechanics are poor, his pocket awareness is weak and he will struggle with accuracy. The next level will be a slippery slope for Newton. His development will have to be flawless to turn this guy into a pro QB. All in all I think he also lacks the brains to be a good QB in the NFL.
It is too much of a risk. Stay the hell away from him.

 

Absolute crazy talk.
Ginn would have helped us this past season.
Brady Quinn is a twit.... and a bust.