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Our RB and WR and QB upgrade choice for this offseason and why them ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by fastball83, Nov 27, 2010.

  1. fastball83

    fastball83 Active Member

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    My choice would be :

    RB : if FA, franck gore because I always liked him, he's from Miami and he's always good, and his health seems better since 2 years...........but if we go RB in draft I want Mark Ingram, he's a bruiser and a speedster in one man.

    WR : in FA I haven't many name in my mind but in the draft Julio Jones seems to be a beast.

    QB : perhaps pick 2 QB in later round of the draft and in this case Ponder is my choice

    opinions ?
     
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  2. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    got to find a pro-bowl potential Center, TE & a Return Specialist in place of the WR
    can also add to your list another head coach
     
  3. MikeHoncho

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    I agree with 23rd. Also, someone who is not Dan Henning at OC.
     
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  4. CitizenSnips

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    I really feel Chad Henne is our best option going into next season. I dislike Jake Locker and we're not getting Luck. Anyone besides these two will not be an upgrade to Henne and FA is usually a terrible place to get a starting QB. I know he's hated by a lot here, but Chad Henne really is our only hope for next season.

    WR - I don't think we need an upgrade here, but if we do, we have a lot of options. The draft is full of potential and we could take any of them.

    RB - Well, before we upgrade at RB, i hope we upgrade at OL first. Our running game struggles are all on the OL not the RB this season. We can leave Ronnie and RIcky behind, that's fine. But Mark Ingram isn't going to change our blocking ability.
     
  5. PerfectTeam

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    Marcedes Lewis or Zach Miller at TE if they hit the open market. Michael Bush at RB. Mike Sims-Walker, Jacoby Jones, and James Jones I like at receiver. Logan Mankins I would definitely like to see here. I also have to wonder if they take a look at John Greco if he hits the market. Jonathan Goodwin as well. Derrick Johnson and David Harris would be nice next to Dansby. Richard Marshall would like nice paired up with Vontae if the front office believes Smith isn't the answer. I know we aren't going to get all of these guys or any of them but the thing to me that we lack especially on offense is speed and I think these guys definitely would help fix that.
     
  6. FinsAreLife

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    honestly, if we wanna use up money getting a new RB we're best off getting one in the draft
     
  7. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the Henne will continue to lay eggs for as long as we field him. he's been given every possible advantage to succeed & has not. Henne is mediocre @ very best. hindsight is golden; should have gone with Ryan or Flacco. Henne was a big mistake, a mistake that keeps on giving
    priority one next year is a QB ( without a Franchise QB we will not go to the SuperBowl ) then in order of importance: Center, RB, TE, Return Specialist & a new HeadCoach & Offensive Coordinator
     
  8. muscle979

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    Christian Ponder is more athletic than Henne but ideally Henne is going to show he's the man during these last six games. [I can dream] They need to make a decision with him though. They either hitch their wagon to him or they draft a QB in the first round. A RB is a must since they seem to hate Ronnie Brown for some reason. They would need depth anyway even if they showed any interest in keeping Ronnie around. Speed is what they really need to be after in the next draft.
     
  9. princekong2

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    RB: None of The FA RBs to me Next year look like an "Upgrade" except for Jamaal Charles and Ahmad Bradshaw and they Are Most Likely To be Resigned So I Say Draft a Fresh One

    WR: Theres Sydney Rice,Vincient Jackson,Steve Smith (NYG),and Holmes. What They All Have in Common? Our Low Chances To Pick Them Up, Draft A Speedster in the 3rd or 4th Round Maybe One Of Those WVU kids

    QB:If Were Going To Draft Any Quarterback DRAFT RICKY STANZI, i have a good feeling about this kid. FA: With Vick Most Likely being Resigned Id Say pick up Dennis Dixon or Jim Sorgi

    Edit:Oops I Forgot Miles Austin is Mr.54 Million Cross him Out
     
  10. Stitches

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    We didn't take Henne over Flacco or Ryan. We took Long over them. So I guess Long was a big mistake if we should've taken Ryan or Flacco.
     
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    I think you may want to check again on his FA availability.
     
  12. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Its really sad that going into year four we still have to upgrade the line.This should have been the year we are drafting for the final pieces to the puzzle like a mark ingram,or a stud te.Thats why this regime ****ing sucks.
    I don't like henne but you are right we have no other options.
     
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  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Friend Stitches: exactly right or almost exactly 1) there were at least four quality tackles in that draft, one of which would have fallen to us in the second round. we would obviously be better off with Ryan over Long. 2) could have gone up & snatched Flacco before Baltimore took him. the Regime obviously hedged their bet on Henne & it was a big mistake.
    just too many bad decisions in the first & most crucial draft for rebuilding the team
     
  14. Stitches

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    They didn't ****ing hedge their bet on Henne because they had no way of knowing he last to pick #58 or whatever. The dolphins didn't go into the draft thinking, boy we can take whomever we want with our 1st 2 picks because we'll be ok with Henne at the end of rd 2. They hedged their bets on Long locking down the left side of the line for a decade. Which he probably will, along with being the best player from that draft overall.


    And there is no way to prove we'd be better off with Ryan over Long, so please don't try and pass your opinion off as fact.

    Edit: And which of the four quality tackles would've fell to us in rd 2? Duane Brown?
     
  15. pumpdogs

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    I agree 100%. You build your team around the qb the most important postion on the field.
    Coaches that don't find the guy behind center get fired thats a fact.
    Ryan is turning into a franchise qb and henne got benched two weeks.No comparision there.Jake long is great but I would take the qb 10 out of 10 times.
     
  16. muscle979

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    New regimes hedge their bets on their QBs whether it is their plan or not. History suggests that finding a QB is priority number one. Everybody we've had from Wanny on has tried to cheat at the QB position and has paid the price. You don't get top notch QBs from the bargain bin. The first thing Mike Smith and John Harbaugh did was get a QB. That's working out pretty well for them. They were probably jumping for joy that Miami at number one overall didn't make QB a priority. The offensive line is so important but the QB is at the top. I love Jake Long but Henne needs to show us something to prove that Jake was the right pick at that point in time.
     
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    That's absolutely silly IMO. A player picked 56 spots later, whom the team had no way to ensure he would even be available at that pick is what proves whether Jake Long was the right pick? Shouldn't Jake Long's performance be what proves he was the right/wrong pick? What if we took Martellus Bennett at pick 57? Would he be responsible for proving Jake Long was the right/wrong pick? Shouldn't Merling be responsible too then if Henne is?
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    yeah, golden eggs...... and Ryan or Flacco would be in the same exact situation HERE with the void of a deep threat, 1 TE, a lackluster ground game, a conservative playbook, and a horrendous OC. It shocks my mind to know that you still don't comprehend the concept of TEAM---- that the offense revolves around 11 guys and a capable OC, not just 1 guy. :glare:
     
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    RBs - I would like to see them make a play for M.Ingram in the draft and/or DeAngelo Williams(Trade or FA depending on CAR)/Michael Bush
    WRs - Santonio (though I think the Jets resign him), James Jones GB perhaps, or call me crazy...Chad Ochocinco.

    Other thoughts:
    Chris Chester OG Ravens - Versatile: has played OT, G, and C.
    Jared Gaither OT Ravens - Been clamoring for this guy since he was available in the supplemental draft a couple years ago

    David Harris LB Jets - Young, Jets may not have the money to sign him with many others due for a new contract (DBrick, Revis, Mangold, etc)
    Matt Spaeth TE Steelers - Athletic, but not top notch.
     
  20. ToddsPhins

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    Exactly..... and we're seeing 1st hand with Matt Stafford what happens when you go after a talented QB at #1 when you don't have a line to protect him. (and Stafford isn't the only example)

    If you draft a QB #1, you better make sure you can protect your investment...... and prior to Jake, our Line allowed:
    2007: 42 sacks
    2006: 41 sacks
    2004: 52 sacks

    That kind of poor protection is a good way to destroy a young QBs future.

    Anyone second guessing Long as our 1st pick doesn't truly understand football or the importance of the position.
     
  21. Stitches

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    I'm fine with 2nd guessing the pick, I'm just not fine with tying the "success" of picking the best LT in football to a player picked at the end of rd 2.
     
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    I think you may be missing the point he is trying to make...A regime has two tough decisions in this scenario: 1) Take the QB in the 1R and fill in an OT later or 2) take the OT in the 1R and fill in the QB later. Obviously, you can fill in either in next year's draft, trade, or through FA as well. Nonetheless, a regime must decide which way to go based on what they have at the positions, what is available through FA, and what they may think they can get in subsequent drafts. Case in point is DET: They took Stafford and Pettigrew, but believed in Backus to hold the LT spot for 2-3 years. We, on the other hand, took Jake Long and decided to take a QB later (Henne). It looks like we may need to take another QB soon. What is being argued here is that we should have taken the QB first and then the OT, whereas you are defending our decision to do the opposite. I am happy with Long and you always face the thought of having a franchise QB turning into a practice dummy (see David Carr)...that is why the decision to take the OT first is just as popular. What plays into the minds of Dolphins fans specifically is that the regimes since Marino have not been able to find a QB.
     
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  23. muscle979

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    Jake Long's performance is irrelevant. QB is the most important position on a team. If Chad Henne is not the answer, and we have to draft another QB then it will be clear that using the number one pick in the 08 draft on another position was a mistake. It's really extremely simple. Atlanta and Baltimore picked up Ryan and Flacco in the first round and they are having success. They are set at the most important position. They can focus on other things. If we have to start from scratch at QB it will set us back greatly and we'll be in year four of this regime. If you'd like to argue that QB is not the most important position go right ahead. The FO gambled by taking a QB at almost the third round instead of right away. You're more likely to find a good lineman later in the draft than a QB. What is better, a really good LT and an OK QB or a franchise QB and a serviceable LT? The flipside of this is that if Henne really turns it on they'll look like geniuses.
     
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    Except that I'm not defending our decision to take Jake Long. If people think we should have taken Ryan, that's fine.
     
  25. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Well put. QBs take longer to develop than linemen. That's why you see most guys using their top picks right away on a guy they believe in when they come in and take over a team. They don't wait around and gamble on a decent player falling them to in the middle rounds. LT is a tough position but they could have just drafted a couple of tackles and put Vernon Carey there if need be. He's at least serviceable at the position.
     
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    It's not extremely simple, because there is no way to prove those guys would be where they are now if we had drafted them. They may have turned out like David Carr, Alex Smith, Tim Couch, or JaMarcus Russell. I don't see how anyone can claim Jake Long's performance is irrelevant to whether he was the right pick.
     
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    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    It's sad how long we've dealt with losing and mediocrity. It's to the point where people generally assume good players will fail if they came to Miami. You see it all the time.
     
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    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    So those teams have players of Jake Long's caliber at left tackle?
     
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  29. Killerphins

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    So if you really believe this why are you in Henne's *** when it is just his first season as a starter. He needs time to develop right and that is not going to happen if he is not playing. Coach made a bad decision by benching him yet your not all over his *** about it. Man you flip flop so much in your posts I'm not sure what to believe from ya honestly.
     
  30. Stitches

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    I'm not assuming they would fail, but I'm not taking their success as guaranteed. I absolutely believe Henne would have as good of #'s (if not better) as Flacco if the roles were reversed though.

    Did many people not assume Marshall would come in and get like 8+ TDs, and now that he hasn't he's underperforming (or we're not using him right). Why is it not possible for players to appear different if reality were not what it is? (ie them on our team)

    No. But we don't have anyone of Tony Gonzales' caliber. We didn't have anyone of Roddy White's caliber before this season. I don't think we have anyone as good as 08's (or now) Michael Turner (given he can stay healthier than our best back). We didn't have a top 5 defense with 2 HoF players to help cut down on our reliance of a rookie QB. We didn't have a TE of Todd Heap's level. We didn't even have someone on Derrick mason's level before this year. We have different OC's.
     
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    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    It's not his first season as a starter. He started most of last season. This is his third year in the league. 'QBs take longer to develop than linemen' means just that, it doesn't mean they take half a decade. Nice try though. What a bad decision they made that led to him playing the best he's played all season. What a terrible mistake! His play was lackluster and the offense was stagnant. Penny was there so they tried him out. It didn't work, they've lost nothing in the process. I don't think it was a mistake and I haven't defected from that viewpoint. Henne now knows that QBs are the first guys in the crosshairs when an offense isn't running well. Now we'll see what we have in him. I think the benching has destroyed tentative Chad Henne [I hope] and whether Sparano's reasoning was faulty or not the move worked. I'm laughing my *** off at people like you still complaining about Henne being benched for what turned out to be a few days practice and two offensive plays. Man, he'll never succeed now!
     
  32. Killerphins

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    No sorry but this is his first year as a full time starter and he only started part of the season last year so what is that a year and a half. That is not a half of a decade bro LMFAO. 21 games as a starter now genius that is not even a season and a half. Benching Henne was a stupid move because it wasn't his fault. The HC even said he made the switch because he wanted to find out if it was the OC or the QB. He did it as an experiment. That is the dumbest fuggin' thing I've ever heard of and you bought it. Wow :lol:
     
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    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    What's amazing with you is your inability to debate anything with anybody without being a complete prick.
     
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    Wrong. The one's who fell in the 2nd round are NOTHING like the best LT in the game and were by far a sure thing. You don't play around at LT. You get it right if you have a shot at it so that you can protect your future QB b/c there is NO franchise QB if there's NO protection.


    We didn't trade up for Flacco b/c we had Henne rated higher.... and he's still on par with Flacco, ONLY JOE HAS A FULL ARSENAL TO AID HIM DURING HIS DEVELOPMENT.


    FLACCO has:
    - EXPERIENCED VETERAN DEFENSE THAT HAS RANKED 3RD, 3RD, AND 4TH IN POINTS/GAME THE PAST 3 YEARS (ours is 25th & 13th in 09 & 10)
    - 3 premium veteran receivers (We have 1 and a slot guy)
    - premium receiving TE ranked 14th in yards with more catches, TDs, and 1st downs. (ours ranks 25th)
    - elite pass catching RB ranked 42nd (Ronnie ranks 131st)
    - better ground game ranked 13th (ours 21st)
    - A BETTER OC
    - BETTER SPECIAL TEAMS
    - Better IN TO MARGIN at -1 (ours is -5) but now have Ed Reed back


    MARK SANCHEZ aided by:
    - 1st & 5th ranked scoring defense the past 2 years
    - 4th ranked ground game
    - premium receiving TE ranked 7th who can stretch the field
    - 2 premier WRs- both vertical threats (Henne lacks)
    - better receiving RB (33rd in receptions)
    - better Special Teams- 2nd ranked return game to aid field position (our ranks 18th).
    - ranked 6th in TO margin: +7 (we're 23rd and -5)

    MATT RYAN:
    - 6th ranked defense
    - 7th ranked ground game behind an elite RB
    - better OC
    - elite TE ranked 4th
    - elite WR/vertical threat to open the field
    - 4th ranked in TO margin(+10) to help take the pressure off
    - better Special Teams
    - better utilized running back in pass game (ranked 80th)

    Josh Freeman:
    - 10th ranked scoring D
    - 12th ranked ground game
    - elite pass catching TE ranked 6th
    - elite rookie WR/vertical threat
    - better receiving RB ranked 87th
    - more agressive & better coaching
    - Better Special teams
    - 7th ranked in TO margin (+7)

    ALL OF THIS HELPS A YOUNG QB DEVELOP!!


    Compared to Henne, ALL 4 QBs (Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez, Freeman) have a:
    1. better ranked scoring defense
    2. better ground game
    3. better coaching
    4. better special teams
    5. better receiving TE
    6. better RB in passing game
    7. vertical threat (or multiple threats)
    8. better TO margin (3 of the teams have a +12 difference compared to Miami)
    9. more playmakers to work with

    If you don't think this stuff makes a HUGE difference in the success of a young QB as well as his development, then you really don't know your elbow from nose.
    Gheeeesh. This is getting so old it's not funny.
     
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    Thanks :shifty:
    What's the problem you have been *****ing about Henne and the team all day. I come in and say it was a stupid thing to give Henne the fall when it wasn't his fault. Don't you think a HC should know if the QB or the OC is the problem. That was total clown shoes to me and a piss poor excuse.
     
  36. muscle979

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    You could make your points without openly calling me an idiot. That's all I'm saying. I'm not that sensitive, I swear, I didn't report your posts or anything but damn a man can only take so many smug potshots. I know I came off a little harsh but I figured you had thick skin. I haven't been that hard on Henne, all I have done is defend the decision to put Pennington on the field. It is not untrue that Henne was not doing that well. I've been a lot harder on Sparano and the rest of the FO than Henne. But for other reasons. I would hope he would know which is the problem, but plenty of coaches have tried a QB switch to spark an offense. And that reasoning was just a rumor as far as I've heard. I think Henne will come out of this better for it. Things often aren't fair with QBs. Like when they get blamed for never winning a Super Bowl in their career.

    As for the *****ing I don't think it's that big a deal. If it bothers people I am sorry. [I actually mean that] I just have ideas about things I see with the team that bother me. If I had a bunch of football fans sitting at my house to discuss it with I would. I have to use this forum. I don't have a problem with people seeing it differently but just tell me I'm wrong with a little more tact.

    I know we disagree on some things. But hey at least not everything. I don't think Channing Crowder is very good either.
     
  37. Killerphins

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    I never once called you an idiot but it does look foolish to say a guy who has started 21 football games is taking a half of a decade to develop when it is just not true. Then you call me a prick. I do think you are being a little overly sensitive. I do have thick skin and it really didn't bother me and I hope they don't get you for it. I won't be reporting it because I understand man. It's cool. We disagree again. It happens.
     
  38. mroz

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    <eye roll>
     
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    yeah but Henne sucks... ;)
     
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    He doesn't suck, but the team does need him to play better.
     

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