Not sure why anyone would want to flame another got their opinion, who's to say who's opinion is better than another? As for Pat White, I'm not convinced yet that he has what it takes to carry a team as a Qb yet. I would be upset to see us get rid of Thigpen before we do, but I think that is what is going to happen.

Pennington backing up Henne reminds me very much of Strock backing up Marino. Not saying that the two are equal, just reminds me of that scenario. Marino benefited quite a lot from Strock.

 

Well he's under the microscope because a lot of people on the boards hated the pick from day one, I think more than a few people would rather be right about hating the pick that have him work out. He's a raw athlete trying to find a position, I wasn't shocked that we didn't get much from him last year. I hope we can get him involved as a WR and get him the ball a little bit this year, see what he can do.

 

Only to our FO..........to the rest of the league and draft ppl, he was play maker prospect. Possible all purpose player/WR.

Us trying to make him into an NFL QB was an absolute train wreck...and drafting him at #44 over all as a QB prospect was an irresponsible use of a draft pick.

 

So, tell me again....Who's Pat White ?? Never heard of him and he hasn't done anything that I recall ??

 

But that's not what is expected for a #44 overall pick in the draft on a team that desperately needed help at several positions. Had White done something or shown anything this past year, then you can make a case for it being a responsible pick, but he hasn't and hasn't even shown any spark of being what many envisioned for him (both fans and coaches). A #44 overall pick is expected to at least contribute. We didn't see that from him. It was a bad pick and we're paying for it now.

 

In large part THIS!!!
But, let's flashback to this exact time last year.
I was watching some show, I don't even remember what it was...good morning america or something, and he was the special guest.
While watching him and studying his stats at the time, I was thinking, what a great great kid he is, would be nice if we can pick him up in the 4th or 5th round and see what becomes of it.
Now, he can't control where he was drafted anymore than Ginn can, but he is, and always wil be a gimmick type of player, unless he changes positions all-together.
I put a lot of the blame on what happenend to Pat White last year directly on the coaching staff. That being said, I love our QB situation with Henne, Penny and Thiggy, and personally don't think White has any business being under center. No more so than Ronnie does as he has never shown he can do that.
I do hope they find a great way to utilize the kids athleticism, as he Is a VERY good athlete...and going back to watching his interview last year, I don't know that there is a better individual in the NFL character wise :up:

 

By all accounts, Pat's a quality individual, hard worker and from his prodigious college accomplishments, has a mindset wired for success. I was bullish and supportive when we drafted him, although we had just cut another successful college spread formation QB for whom we also once had high hopes. (Aside from Brees, can you think of a college QB who's done well making that transition?)

However, based on his lack of success, although admittedly in a limited role ending up leaving Henne in the hole plus the probability that the WC, born out of the necessity of limited offensive weapons and a noodle-armed QB will be deemphasized now that Henne's shown he can put up 300yd games despite the limitations of his supporting cast, Pat has now gotta compete as a real QB.

Still and all, it was a shock seeing him on the field in person for the first time. He looks like a Pop Warner kid among men. Regrettably the NFL is not a league where a Tiny Archibald's speed and diminutive stature can still be consistently effective.

I don't want to lose Thigpen, who can win us games and is probably just as elusive as PWhite in the pros, even if that means cutting or trading a sterling character kid who was deprived of a real chance. It's a business and sometimes you have to acknowledge you screwed up and cut your losses before they mushroom. And that's the bottom-line for me.

 

Vaark, good to see you over here brother!

 

Serious question! Did White play to many downs in 2009 to be place on the practice squad in 2010 so we can develop him?

 

i root for anyone the puts on a dolphins uniform and never hope someone does bad. pat white is a waste of a roster spot at this point.i wish the nfl had farm clubs like baseball, because that is where pat needs to be for about 2 or 3 years. judging from what ive seen of him he just isnt an nfl player at this point. he is a huge risk of getting injured every time the ball is in hands.if theres someone that needs to take steroids its pat white.the nfl should make an exception for him and let him use steroids medically because if he dont hes going to end up on an espn sportscenter segment "the tragic story of pat white".

with that being said we would be foolish to choose white over thigpen. the draft picks are nice but penny is 1 and done and white will never be that guy. but im sure thigpen wants a shot at starting spot, thats not here, so who knows. regardless i will always cheer for pat white when hes on the field for the fins.

 

You're right. We only saw him try to play QB.

 

let them compete

 

Before i criticize Pat White, I'd like to see him actually prepared in the offseason and praticing what he'd be running in the games he plays in. That just wasn't the case in his rookie year. I thought our coaching staff (whom I am very supportive of 99% of the time) really blew it preparing White for success. We did not let him do in the preseason and camps what he was asked to do in the regular games.

 

Well 44 was high for him, I would like to see a bit more immediate contribution from a pick that high too, no one is arguing that. I just think that we have to accept that we made the pick and hope that the team makes the most out of it. I think White will be in the NFL for a long time in some means, our front office isn't exactly full of idiots, theres a ton of real NFL player/personnel/coaching experience there and they see something in the kid, we just have to be a bit patient as fans. I wouldn't say we are paying for anything with that pick, our team is in good shape talent wise right now if we stay healthy we are a playoff team, going into year 3 of a new regime I'd say we are in good shape to move to the next level. No front office hits on every draft pick, every great talent evaluator in the history of the league has missed on a few picks, even top picks, it happens.

 

I thought Pat White had a solid college carer but he should not have been picked in the 2nd round. You line up Pat White next to a Maurice Jones-Drew or Sproles and the thing these other little guys have that White doesn't is a big strong lower body. I just don't think White has the size to play QB. He is not Doug Flutie. So we either deal him away or we see if he can run back kicks and maybe compete for a #5 WR spot, which I would say is highly unlikely. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses and move on.

 

I have to agree with you. Even if he had gotten a fair shot at playing QB last year (which I don't think he did), it's arguably the hardest position in the NFL.

What I don't understand is the fact that people are willing to give a WR 3 years to develop in the NFL but not give that same opportunity for a QB to develop is beyond me.

People gave, and some are still giving, Ted Ginn an opportunity to develop but Pat White had 5 passing attempts in his rookie season and he's a bust?

I am not saying I think Pat White will be a great QB in the NFL, heck I am not even saying he will be a good QB. But it is not fair to not even give him the chance cause you don't agree with where he was drafted.

 

And that's the name of THAT tune.

 

I'm sorry 72, I can't see where you draw the conclusion that he'll be in the NFL a long time based off of the lackluster production from last season ?? Whether it was a coaching blunder, a missed interpretation of his mental or physical ability by the staff when he was drafted or just that he didn't work hard enough (and I'm not saying there is any evidence of that, just that it may have been the problem) or whatever...the bottom line is he showed, to me, no glimpse of potential for the future at all last season... Sure no one hits on every choice, but they've made some glaring personnel mistakes, and White may be one of those.

 

Pennington will be the starter.....well......because........he is just better. Henne collects the clipboard and Thigpen is kept. White goes to practice squad. We are set......excellent!!

 

I don't think the argument needs to be made against Pat White and whether he can play in the NFL. In limited action last year he showed basically nothing that would make me believe he can be an NFL Qb. I think the onus is on the ones who think that he can and try to rationally sway everyone else.

 

Pat White wasn't brought in to compete with Henne, he was brought in to do a job that Henne couldn't do. Nobody is going to argue that he needs to settle the hell down in game situations and improve his passing, but there are undo expectations put upon him given his draft position.

 

Here's the thing. If people had paid any attention to his college career, they would have realized that there was absolutely no chance of him ever having success as an NFL quarterback. You don't go from being very much a run first quarterback who plays in a system that asks him to make one read and then run to being an NFL quarterback. There is a completely different mentality that comes with being an NFL quarterback, and Pat White simply does not have that mentality. You might can coach him on footwork and other things like that, but in the heat of the moment, players will revert to what comes natural to them. What comes natural to Pat is his running ability, not his passing ability. He does not have the ability to read the field and make quick decisions with the football. His arm strength is average at best, but you don't know where the ball is going to end up if he has to throw it farther than 10 yards. A large percentage of his passes at West Virginia were bubble screens to the wide receivers and dump off passes/screen passes to the running backs. Plus, some tried to make it sound like he didn't have talent around him at WVU during his time there. He did have talent around him though. He had players like Steve Slaton, Darrius Reynaud, Alric Arnett, Noel Devine, and Owen Schmidt. His biggest job was to get the ball to Slaton, Devine, Reynaud, and Arnett in space. He did very little "reading of the defense" at WVU, and he played in an option oriented offense. It didn't take a doctor to realize that he lacked the ability to be an NFL quarterback.

The mistake that was made with him was leaving him at quarterback. He would be much more useful had he learned to play special teams from the very beginning and began his development as a wide receiver/athlete prospect. I think he could develop into an Antwan Randle-El type of player if he is moved to WR. Some wanted to disagree with me when I said it, but ARE is the player Pat White most resembled in college.

 

thigpen will be the #3
white will have to make his bones elsewhere:
1) WildCat
2) Return Team
3) WR or Slot
he is not a conventional QB but an excellent athlete & football player

both pat white & patrick turner
will get their opportunity to contributre or parish in 2010
patience, the jury is still out on the two pats

 

I'd trade him to the highest bidder myself. I always said move him to Rb but after seeing the snot get knocked out of him, I say just admit he was a mistake.

Now I'm all for him getting reps in training camp if no teams want him but I really think he is overwhelmed...

 

They did have him practicing kick returns but he dropped quite a few in the two practices i saw..

 

See it is true. PW can't do anything right.
The experiment failed.

 

Can't win them all.

 

If the kid can catch, then try him at WR, if he can't then this experiment is over. (same thing I said last year)

 

we really lost out on that one
im still fuming that we left clint sintim on the board for pat white
what a mistake

 

Something like this happens to every team, every year though.

Ginn/Willis was far worse imo

 

No way I see Penny starting over Henne, not after the solid play and multiple 300+ passing yard games we saw from Henne last year. Henne starts, Penny #2 and Thiggy #3. Or possibly Henny then Thiggy at #2 just because he could give us the spread optiom/WC QB we all (well not many actually, but that's another thread) thought White could be.

I think we have to look at where else White could contribute and develop for a year or two until Penny retires. THEN maybe White will have grown up and become a decent #3 QB for us.

Could White return Punts? God knows Bess sucks at it.

 

We saw White for like 8 plays total and you are declaring him a bust? I think he showed enough in college that he has talent, you don't get drafted at 44 without showing someone something. He was probably taken too high but I don't see why its a stretch to say he will stick around in some fashion in the NFL. You can't possibly have seen enough in the few plays we saw to determine his entire future.

 

Im sure Coaches and F.O. have something in mind for PW... thing is Parcells isnt afraid to cut him and move on like most GM's that wont admit they made a mistake..

 

I think Parcells was with them in making that pick, I doubt they took on a project like that without his greenlight.

 

Both Turner & White will get a legitmate shot
@ playing ball & contributing or move on after 2010.
not a good idea to pull the trigger too quickly on these guys
they were high draft choices & their picks were well thought out
they could both prove their worth in 2010.