Granted his learning curve is HUGE. Still.... Omar Kelly just posted this: OmarKelly CB Joey Thomas picked off Pat White during a team session. White continues to struggle and seems like he's getting worse.
Some players get better with real world pressure. I wont be surprised to see him start to get more comfortable as time passes.
I am not as worried since 99% of what he will be running is the wildcat and he will be throwing out of the wildcat. What he is running right now is the traditional pro style sets and plays. Still...you hate to see that his throws are regressing instead of progressing. From all accounts the wildcat has only been run a very limited amount of times...hell, maybe just one time on the first day. I would guess they are saving that for the closed practices.
I think a player looking great at this point is more telling than looking terrible. Especially for young guys. I dont worry when a player has some bad practices.
My understanding is that he looks much better in the shotgun then under center, which is what I would expect.
He is a rookie in the first few days of camp. Not only on a steep learning curve, probably some butterflies as well. Not worried about our 3rd string QB.
The Spread makes it tough for College Qb's to transition to the NFL, the combination of footwork and keeping their eyes down field is tough to learn in 5 months after 4 years and thousands of reps doing it in the Spread.
The same is being said of Mark Sanchez at this stage .There are not many QBs who can come in and impress right away.It is the toughest position to learn. There was Marino,Matt Ryan..............a couple of others.Its a very singular group.
It's too early to start hitting the panic button on White, but just like I cautioned in the Wake thread, there is a possibility that all of the pre-draft analysis and speculation that he would be better off as a WR may have some merit. We'll have to wait and see, I hope the kid can do well, but we need to remember that these are rookies and they are going to have bumps in the road.
Sparano said in today's PC they are still doing a LOT of "installs" every day until probably mid next week. Things must be swimming in Pat White's head right now. Once they stop or slow down the "installs", the game should start to slow down a bit and Pat will get to playing more on instinct, not thinking about things so much. That is when we need to start watching his throws. Not now.
I agree brother. How many different playbooks will he have to learn? Give the kid sometime. It is funny as fast as the make Pat to be a hero, the same people make him out to be a zero. Give the kid a chance.
Pat White is not in his element he's learning a new play book for a conventional offense when you see him in the SingleWing/Spread offense you will see an entirely different QB on the field that's why he was drafted: to Captain the WildCat!
I read on Omars blog that the kid is throwing wabbly ducks basically and that its like the size of the NFL football seems to be an issue. So this kids problem goes beyond just learning a playbook. I think its a nice try, but mark my words, he will either succeed at a different position or he will fail in the NFL. I've got a strong sense that he better show his athletic skills someplace else starting with Special Teams. Yeah go ahead and talk smack about my prediction and how its too early to tell blah blah blah just like good old Wade Smith, Anthony Alabi, etc. etc. Dont forget my prediction about Roth being converted to LBer or he was gone....
Pat White is used to throwing on the run, not out of a pocket trying to beat the buzzer wait & see when he's playing out of the WildCat & can control the rhythm & pace of the game with options to pass or run & his game will grow & passing excel got to allow him to use his tools to succed the TriFecta new what they wanted & what role he would fulfill fo the team when the drafted him he was (deliberately) drafted in the 4th round to be a starter, to captain the WildCat not be a WR, RB, return kicks or play the slot. think about it.
I really hope so for his sake and ours. Nothing would be better than to prove me wrong and see him tear it up. But I have that gut feeling again when I see this kid... Although we are stacked at WR I honestly think he'd make a good slot WR (if his hands show up to the party). We'll just have to wait and see.
The only thing that concerns me about P White is his inconsistency, he has a fine arm he does not have a consistent passing game in the touch and accuracy department. Is that correctable? I do know picking Qb's is not a science..at all...Cam Cameron picked Beck over Quinn suposedly because "accuracy cannot be taught", yet Beck was not particularly accurate.
Friend MageGandalf, I respect your instincs & gut fellings however Bill Parcells has a gut feeling (also a lot of reseach & scouting) that says he's the man
bah so he threw a interception in his first ever nfl camp..pennington has thrown several so far but nobody is saying his camp sucks.
Oh, it definitely has merit. It's insane to watch film on this guy from his college days and think he is an NFL Quarterback. He's an athlete and needs to be at a position that utilizes his athleticism. He doesn't have a quarterback's mind There is no doubt in my mind that Pat White will never succeed as a quarterback in the NFL. He doesn't have the instincts. If you leave him there, then you have used a second round pick on a bit player who can only play in one formation. If you move him to wide receiver, you have a chance to get something out of the pick more than what you will get by leaving him at quarterback.
Just a thought, but what if they drafted Pat White to bring him up gradually? What if they don't use him as much as we think they would this year, but instead work with him on running the base and wildcat offense. I think it was on here that I read how much more dangerous it would be if Pat White could run base offense on top of the WC to cause more match up problems with the defense. Being able to run some of the base would limit defenses to substitute players on defense to the offense's package. Don't get me wrong, I am with the majority that believe he was drafted to make an immediate impact this year, mainly with the WC. But I am just trying to think outside the box a little bit. Don't crucify me lol.
some of us never jumped on the wagon that Pat white was drafted to be a qb...Imo he was drafted to be a weapon in a specialized offense called the wildcat....i said it before he got drafted, when he got drafted, and after, He is a wc specialist and was drafted specifically for that formaton, drafted to bring a multidimensionl player to the offense as a whole.... decoy, back, receiver and some time behind center...all to benefit Mr. Ronnie brown and the philosophy that is the smashcat offense.. I will stick with that, and until i see him running what i think he was drafted to run, and what i think parcells drafted him for... Him throwin an interception out of the proset means nada to me He will be incorperated into the wildcat slowly as ronnies sidekick...not thrust into some spread offense where hes runnin the show. jmo.
Still can't beleive we used a 2nd rd pick on a situational player who can't even play QB. He will be a 3rd QB in this league his entire career.
You also thought that Jake Long wouldnt pan out at LT and that geting Parcells was a bad thing. Just sayin, your predictions have been off lately.
How funny, White has not thrown pass 1 in even a preseason game and already he cannot cut the mustard? Please, that is merely projection, or indeed, negative hope, if the guy sucks we will know, if he doesn't suck we will know that as well, but at the very least give him a chance to prove himself one way or another before the pseudo bust tag is implied. Penny was picked off, Henne was picked off, White was picked and now he is the scrub? Right.
Why is your analysis continue to insinuate that he was drafted to be a proset qb?.....and why cant some start to realize that he was drafted to become a specialist in an offense that we are innovating at the moment. Some of us agree with the analysis that you have reapeatedly stated, i dont think that takes a guru to figure out, however you never discuss how his skills translate into what some of us think he WAS drafted for.
Pat White will see a ton of action in the preseason, as in halves and Qtrs, and he will not be running the WC in the preseason, he will be dropping back to pass. And that remains true, and that is why White is not fielding punts or kickoffs. He will have to learn to play Wr or Rb though, at least at a functional level simply to make the Wc more effective. No worries, White is going to be taking 3 and 5 step drops in preseason, as I don't think HC Sparano is going to ask for our opinions before he is put into the game..
yeah you read that here, and imo, those who thought that, i disagreed with. Ronnie brown IS the wildcat, A new and improved offensive line will improve that wildcat, and pat white skills on the field WITH ronnie, will improve on that. He'll get his touches behind center on occassion, but it will be within the context of the wildcat.
Ya, my next question was going to be how much of the WC if ANY will the Dolphins be running in the pre-season? I honestly don't think we will run it much, if any. If we do run any WC it will definitely be with Pat White and it would probably be the most basic WC plays that were done last year, just to see how White executes it.
I didn't like the pick at all, I felt that he was overdrafted to play a specialty role, that's not a wise use of a high draft pick, but I'm trying to be optimistic and hope he does well. Is there anything in his game at all that gives you some hope that he could develop into a capable QB? Or is he a jack of all trades, master of none type player that has a limited shelf life in the NFL that is directly tied to the WC?
It will be run in the preseason, not the whole playbook but enough to keep defensive coordinators up at night trying to counter it. Each new WC play will cost our opponents hours of preperation time, hours on a single play, it also eats into practice time as well. I expect White to run a fairly simple offense in the preseason, but I also suspect he will play more than we'd think, Sparano won't risk Pennington being injured, Henne cannot play every qtr, leaving P white to play Qb. I suspect he will show off his fairly strong arm though, the Wr corps will have a opportunity to show their deep speed, watch guys like Armstrong catch some bombs.