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Pat White QB/WR West Virginia

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Vendigo, Dec 10, 2008.

  1. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Here's a guy I've watched quite a lot of tape on and absolutely, positively and utterly fell in love with. Stop the presses, the Gigolo's having a man crush and he is not ashamed. We're talking OLBs and ILBs and CBs and OL depth ... but I say: Why not Pat White? The kid's born for the wildcat. I'm not talking perfect fit - I'm talking born. Why not Pat White? Put a second round flyer on the kid and you'll get an impact ST player, a talented WR prospect with heaps and heaps of potential and, most importantly, an archetypical wildcat "QB". I'll give the stage to my favorite internet draftnick Drew Boylhart who's put it perfectly:

    "Pat White is ... an excellent athlete. He is small for the QB position, but as a WR prospect, he has decent size, speed and quickness ... He is a very smart player and understands situational football ... Pat's impact position for the next level will be as a WR/ST player who could also play QB in a pinch. When Pat runs with the ball, he is very good at setting up blocks. He is the type of player that can impact for your team with a limited amount of touches in a game.

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    I don't know what round Pat will be drafted in, but I do know that the team that drafts him will fall in love with this kid's talent and football intelligence. He should be an excellent special teams player the day after you draft him. There will be a bit of a learning curve as a WR, but believe me, it will not be that long. Pat has the potential to be a #1 WR. He reminds me a lot of Marvin Harrison (WR Indianapolis Colts).

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    Pat White has passion when he plays football and leaves it all out on the field. I would think that a playoff team looking for an impact player for its offense late in the first round would be very foolish to pass on drafting a player who understands how to play the game the way Pat does. I'm sure on most boards -- because Pat is going to have to change positions -- he will be rated lower than I suggest, but remember this: if your favorite team drafts Pat in any round, they will have drafted an impact special teams player who will turn into a franchise WR sooner than you think. I call him Pat (Slappy) White because all the teams that pass on drafting Pat (in the future) will be slapping themselves silly they didn't draft him."


    Why not Pat White?
     
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  2. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I like White an awful lot and think he merits 2nd or 3rd round consideration at worst. Here's a kid who improved year on year as a passer, who is an elusive runner and who a number of NFL scouts believe can play wideout at the next level. I suppose the one argument for Miami is that we're an overachieving team who's going to get a more difficult schedule in 2009 and can we afford, as Disgustipate mentioned earlier, a luxury player, because that's what he is. Also, how much is the Wildcat going to play into our offensive plans down the line because it seems to me that the only "succesful" plays from that formation these days tend to be at the more razzle dazzle end of the spectrum.

    But I'm a huge White fan. Dude is closing in on 10,000 career yards frcom scrimmage. If Michael Robinson and Brad Smith can find pretty solid NFL homes in San Fran and NY respectively, then I'm damn sure White can.
     
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  3. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    If,.......if we signed White as a WR, then I think the Dolphins have to re-invent the NFL WR corps and return to a time of the Smurfs. We would indeed have the smallest, quickest WRs (Ginn, Cam, Bess, White)...and if we win with them, you know what will happen, the rest of the NFL will be saying, why go with these Big Tall WRs, lets go small again.

    ahahahahaha.....I love the copycat league.

    P.S. I watch Pat White every weekend, and as long as he stays healthy he is a joy to watch. (His injury last year vs. Pitt is the only reason WV wasnt Natl Champions).
     
  4. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    White isn't exactly a smurf - he's 6'1 which is decent size for a WR and far from being undersized. He's actually taller than Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne or Roddy White or Steve Smith or Greg Jennings ... I don't think size is really an issue for White. It works in his favor actually.
     
  5. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Fair enough....but clearly we arent the AZ cards in height and mass either! Thats not a bad thing either. I am simply pointing out what we are (or would be) not saying we need to be the copycaters with 6' 4+ WRs; I am starting to love when folks copy from us.
     
  6. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I'm not so sure about that. White merits a 2nd round pick for his development potential as a wide receiver alone - and WR isn't exactly a position we're absolutely brilliant. I know that a lot of people on this board are craving for a 6'5 monster WR but - to use Boylhart's comparison - you don't pass on a Harrison because he's not as big as Marshall. The wildcat flexibility is, from my perspective, only an added bonus that makes him even more attractive. Sure, it's also going to boil down to whether or not the wildcat is here to stay but I don't think it's out of the question to give White 10 or more touches a game and have him impact at ST as well. That, to me, isn't luxury, it's rock-solid contribution.
     
  7. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think that on offense, besides replacements for the OL potentially, we may be looking at luxury picks at this point. We have three RB locked up, we have three young, starting quality RBs, and quality TE play. A Wildcat QB or "slash" type guy might be a solid investment.
     
  8. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think White is a luxury pick and Miami isn't far enough along in the personnel revamping process to afford a luxury pick...not yet.
     
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  9. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    That hasn't stopped us from doing it two years in a row. :lol:
     
  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Who did we take in 2008 that was a luxury pick?
     
  11. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think that it would depend on the pick. When you get to say the late third, fourth round range? Why not?
     
  12. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Lex Hilliard, same spot as Mauia only he is supposed to be better - though we haven't seen it.
     
  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That wasnt a luxury pick, I would argue. We had a hurt Brown, a flaky Williams, and no idea Cobbs would be what he was
     
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  14. Boomer

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    I think the key word there Jochen is "developmental potential". Can we afford that at this stage?

    I'm playing Devils Advocate somewhat because I'm such a fan of his, but I would imagine if they go after a wideout then it's not going to be a guy for which the words "developmental potential" are attached.
     
  15. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Because they could potentially pick up a linebacker, safety or corner at one of those picks that has been playing linebacker, safety or corner for years and whose learning curve would not be so steep, able to help immediately, etc.

    I just don't think we've reached a point where we have the luxury of getting cute with the converts.
     
  16. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    They didn't treat Hilliard like a luxury pick. They tried him right away at tailback, had him train on as a protection guy in the backfield, tried him on special teams, etc. Basically he competed with Patrick Cobbs to be everything that Patrick is, and he lost.

    I don't see that as a luxury pick. They picked Parmele and Hilliard both up in order to increase their chances that they got something out of one of them...and they didn't hit on either of them, although my personal opinion is that Hilliard may actually be closer to contributing than Parmele because he showed up as a more well-rounded, tougher player in the preseason.
     
  17. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    We're on the same page, on this one.

    Think of how they nailed Davone Bess. What was the number one thing Bess had going for him coming out of school? He played in a system where the WRs were heavily involved, and he caught a LOT of balls up there. Just in terms of pure reps and playing time, this guy had them in spades.

    I think they're going to want to pull the same thing, experience, except in the form of a bigger guy that can make more physical catches. Juaquin Iglesias would have been perfect except he might be playing his way too far up the boards.
     
  18. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Just may be a difference of opinion. I would have preferred a least a stab at a CB or WR there. I'm not saying the value is the same but it would have been my personal preference. I also looked at Parmele as being the guy they looked to help them there.
     
  19. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    But keeping in mind how important it is to these guys to take two players when it comes to drafting a position of need...

    That's the thing. When a position is a need, they don't just take a guy in the 4th round and say ok, well we took our stab at filling that position, onto the next one...
     
  20. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Something told me to put that little caveat in my last response. :lol:

    Yeah I know, it was just of me having a preference of one thing over another - the double down methodology not withstanding. Just my personal preference. I looked at it differently, thats all, but I understand their principles in why they did what they did.
     
  21. Boomer

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    This is one of the years where we're not agreeing so much. I like it.

    Irritatingly I agree on this as well. 89 as a freshman, 96 as a sophomore and 108 as a junior, 293 in total. He caught 168 more balls in college than Ted Ginn, 247 more balls in college than Greg Camarillo. Are we truly surprised how well he's doing given the role we have him playing and it's similarities to how he played for the Rainbows and how he has hands of glue given that he's caught twelvety thousand passes since high school?
     
  22. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Let me play devil's advocate, too: If a rebuilding team can't take a shot at a development guy, Simon, nobody can.
     
  23. Pink_dove

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    I'll be stunned if we look at him Ven. Absolutely stunned. Because of the position - quarterback - which we appear to have just about locked up with Henne. He wouldn't get a chance at quarterback here, other than on the scout team, and would be about as fluent as an NFL wide receiver as I am in Pashto. Add the love affair we have with size and added emphasis on physicality - the wiry frame will play against him at the next level, unless he develops the ability to shade the sidelines as Marvelous Marvin does - and he strikes out again on our wide receiver grocery list. And I just don't see the comparisons with players like Roddy White, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne or Davone Bess, because they're physically a lot different from a Pat White or Desean Jackson. Great athletes but different cats. And you put him at quarterback, weighing 190, with that frame of his, and tendency to run ? He'll have to be used as a pinch hitter, if not, he'll be in a cast by week three because of the extra oomph in hits at the NFL level. Lastly, apart from the two or three wildcat plays we've ran recently, to remind teams its in our back pocket, we're still a Henning offense which is much more Grabowski than it is Smith. And I'll be damned if White has more Grabowski in him than he does Smith. I also think in terms of reads and mechanics he's had the good life in college, and will be knocked off the pulpit come draft day, but that debate is for another day.
     
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  24. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    About Camarillo, he didn't have many catches in college but by the time this coaching staff had got hold of him, he'd been playing WR through high school, college, and how many years in the pros had he bounced around practice squads and the bottom of the roster, etc? He may not have had reps but he had plenty of experience. He wasn't anything close to a position convert.

    Of course, then there's always Derek Hagan, who also caught fifty billion passes in college. LOL. Always has to be one. But, Hagan did know how to get open in the NFL, I think.

    Juaquin Iglesias has caught 197 passes in college, 19 touchdowns, returned 5 punts, 58 kickoffs, and run the ball 12 times. That's 272 times he's touched the ball at a major collegiate level, has graced the end zone 20 times. He could go to the NFL and you stick him in an offense, have him catch a few balls, and it will seem like old hat for him.

    If you want some guys that touched the ball a TON in college, hard to beat Derrick Williams of Penn State and Mike Thomas of Arizona. I think Mike Thomas is very underrated, could be a good slot guy in the NFL, maybe more. That's your next Davone Bess/Wes Welker.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    Based on what? I'm not following the logic of that statement.
     
  26. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Based on the fact that a rebuilding team per definition looks beyond the next sixth or twelve months when acquiring talent or evaluating the time it'll take them to make a serious SB push. A team built around reaching its prime in two or three years can afford the 'luxury' of a development guy a lot more than a team poised to make a deep playoff run now or next season, as that's where said guy probably won't be of particular help.
     
  27. Lab3003

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    They absolutely need to be concentrating on finding someone to play along side Joey Porter at an elite level. They've tried Moses, Roth and Anderson to all play the same position. They need someone who'll play the position always and forever without the staff having to worry about liabilities @ SOLB. The CB position hasn't turned out to be a big liability like I thought it would be and the DL seems set with Kendall Langford, Philip Merling, Vonnie Holliday, Jason Ferguson and Randy Starks all in a rotation. They could use depth @ DT but I'd prefer they find someone to help Joey Porter in getting to the QB. No way should JP Losman have been able to run around like he's Michael Vick or something.

    Pat White...not so much. Unless he plays 3-4 SOLB, and kudos to him if he did.
     
  28. jim1

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    Charlie Anderson stepped it up last week- we'll see how he does the rest of the year.
     
  29. Conuficus

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    I agree. It's not the sexy pick to many, but chances are it is definitely up there in terms of need. Chnaces are we look to double up as we have done in the past with other positions - take one early and one late. I wonder if we will take an ILB at some point as well, or a player who may be able to moonlight at both spots if necessary - I don't know who that would be though.
     

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