Pat White trying to pack on the pounds (w/vid....sorta)

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Pffffffftttt....

I'm not concerned with his weight, I'm concerned with his arm, he should take up dart throwing and the shot put...

Will he be putting on pounds in the part of his brain that deals with him throwing the ball accurately?

I love Pat White. I've known him personally for a while. He played high school football across the bay and lives/lived in the area. I followed him at West Virginia. And I was extremely excited when we picked him up in the draft last year. He's athletic, quick, intelligent and above all the kid is a winner. He had a rough rookie season, which is something I expected. To be honest though, I didn't expect it to be THAT rough.

Truth is though, I believe we will see him a lot in the same capacity this year as last. I'm going purely on speculation here but I think he'll have his special package of plays that we could see 2, 3, maybe even 5 times a game. He wasn't allowed to get in as much reps last year as was planned because of the injury to Pennington. With a more stable QB situation this year I think he can have a chance to show the reason he was drafted.

He does need to improve his game though. Significantly. I love the kid, and am still happy with the selection, despite the strong hatred towards him on this board. I think ultimately he will become a contributor to this football team. I've seen him do it too many other places to think any differently.

So, I ask one more time, though my attempts have been futile to this point, just give this kid a chance to show what he has before you all pile on him the way you have been.

"padre31 wrote:

I'm not concerned with his weight, I'm concerned with his arm, he should take up dart throwing and the shot put...

surely you're kidding right? Pat has an excellent arm. Watch some college highlights Pad, he's got the skill set. I just think he was running scared so to speak last yr. It takes qb's longer to adapt to the NFL. IMO he has 2 more yrs to get it or get out.

"Trowa wrote:

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He does need to improve his game though. Significantly. I love the kid, and am still happy with the selection, despite the strong hatred towards him on this board. I think ultimately he will become a contributor to this football team. I've seen him do it too many other places to think any differently.

So, I ask one more time, though my attempts have been futile to this point, just give this kid a chance to show what he has before you all pile on him the way you have been.

To me has had "a chance", he played okay for a Rook Qb trying to run a specialized package, I also believe people who use White being jacked up during the Pittsburgh game as a club to whack those who like White.

As if he was the first Qb ever to have the crap knocked out of him, the problem is that is the last memory anyone has of Pat White.

To me, Pat White has to add 10 pds or so, he has to get over 200pds, and he has to have his throwing motion ironed out, I despise excuses, however David Lee did White no favors when he tried to change his throwing motion as now White looks like he lost some confidence in his arm.

"Trowa wrote:

I love Pat White. I've known him personally for a while. He played high school football across the bay and lives/lived in the area. I followed him at West Virginia. And I was extremely excited when we picked him up in the draft last year. He's athletic, quick, intelligent and above all the kid is a winner. He had a rough rookie season, which is something I expected. To be honest though, I didn't expect it to be THAT rough.

Truth is though, I believe we will see him a lot in the same capacity this year as last. I'm going purely on speculation here but I think he'll have his special package of plays that we could see 2, 3, maybe even 5 times a game. He wasn't allowed to get in as much reps last year as was planned because of the injury to Pennington. With a more stable QB situation this year I think he can have a chance to show the reason he was drafted.

He does need to improve his game though. Significantly. I love the kid, and am still happy with the selection, despite the strong hatred towards him on this board. I think ultimately he will become a contributor to this football team. I've seen him do it too many other places to think any differently.

So, I ask one more time, though my attempts have been futile to this point, just give this kid a chance to show what he has before you all pile on him the way you have been.

sorry bro i just can't do it and it is nothing personal toward you. imo we blew the pick and the experiment failed. will they continue to run it the formation? i think they will to try to prove that they didn't make a mistake on the pick but pat white is not an nfl QB in my eyes. the guy couldnt hit the broadside of a barn with an elephant. his accuracy stinks. if im wrong which i hope then great but i really think we need to find another use or just cut ties.

"Big E wrote:

surely you're kidding right? Pat has an excellent arm. Watch some college highlights Pad, he's got the skill set. I just think he was running scared so to speak last yr. It takes qb's longer to adapt to the NFL. IMO he has 2 more yrs to get it or get out.

I have, Qb coach tinkered with his throwing motion to "make him more consistent" and it screwed him up, as far as I'm concerned he should wear gloves and sprinkle pixie dust on his jersey if that restores his confidence.

I'm in the minority that still believes in Pat White's Qb ability, right now though, D Lee and the rest of the staff should sit down and have a no ****ter with each other concerning Pat White's Qb mechanics and what they are trying to do with him.

Whatever it was they did, against Pitt PW looked uncertain along with bouncing a ball on a dirt simple out route, heck the play he was knocked out on was a pass and he just decided to bootleg with the ball instead of dumping the ball off to the Te..which was what the play called for...

"Killerphins wrote:

sorry bro i just can't do it and it is nothing personal toward you. imo we blew the pick and the experiment failed. will they continue to run it the formation? i think they will to try to prove that they didn't make a mistake on the pick but pat white is not an nfl QB in my eyes. the guy couldnt hit the broadside of a barn with an elephant. his accuracy stinks. if im wrong which i hope then great but i really think we need to find another use or just cut ties.

No disrespect, but I don't think you could be farther from the truth on this issue. And there are three major points I would like to address as to why I disagree with you.

The first being Pat White himself. The kid is a winner and a gamer. He didn't lead West Virginia to 4 straight bowl victories (only QB in college football history to do so) and get named MVP of the Senior Bowl by being pretty. He certainly didn't do it by being "inaccurate" and contrary to the idea that's been permeated throughout this board and other sources he didn't do it by running the option on every single play. I would suggest going back and watching film of Pat White. Unfortunately the best resource is probably youtube which you'll find mostly highlight films. And everyone looks good in highlight films, so it doesn't prove my point as much as I would like. But this kid has some tremendous talent.

The second point I would like to address is that I don't think you can call the pick a "waste" or call it a "failed experiement" after last year. Pat White was brought in to run a specific package of plays and to be the part time trigger man in the wildcat. That's what he worked on a majority of TC last year. Come week 3 Chad Pennington goes down with an injury. Well now White is one play away from being the starter. Weekly practices now become more about him learning to be the starting QB on the fly while still trying to learn his package. Excuses have been made ad naueseum for Jason Allen to still be on this team 3 regimes and 5 years later, and a lot of it has been because "he's never had a chance to get familiar with a position before he's been changed." And the same is true of White. He didn't change positions but his role changed drastically after week 3 of last year. He deserves another shot.

And my third point is, as more and more college offenses move to the spread, the more prevalent the spread is becoming in the NFL. Nearly every team currently runs some variation of the spread. When the Pats went 18-1 they used the spread formation nearly 60% of the time that season (I read this statistic a while back and can't remember exactly what the # was so don't crucify me for that one.) The wildcat itself is a variation of the spread. Pat White was one of the best spread QBs in college football. He has a better skill set than Tim Tebow IMO. Pennington can't run the spread. Henne may be able to, but I've never seen him do it. So with the increase in the viability of the spread offense in the NFL, I see Pat White being a valuable commodity for us.

With all this being said, I don't want you to think I'm simply a homer defending Pat White. I will openly admit that he needs to improve his game. He needs to get bigger, he needs to work on his throwing mechanics and footwork more and above all I think he needs to have time, in his role, in this offense to begin to fully comprehend and understand what he needs to do.

Of course, these are all my opinions, I could be wrong.

Pat White can play ball. Let's let him do it.

Ok he's trying to put on weight. Has he though?

"Trowa wrote:

No disrespect, but I don't think you could be farther from the truth on this issue. And there are three major points I would like to address as to why I disagree with you.

The first being Pat White himself. The kid is a winner and a gamer. He didn't lead West Virginia to 4 straight bowl victories (only QB in college football history to do so) and get named MVP of the Senior Bowl by being pretty. He certainly didn't do it by being "inaccurate" and contrary to the idea that's been permeated throughout this board and other sources he didn't do it by running the option on every single play. I would suggest going back and watching film of Pat White. Unfortunately the best resource is probably youtube which you'll find mostly highlight films. And everyone looks good in highlight films, so it doesn't prove my point as much as I would like. But this kid has some tremendous talent.

The second point I would like to address is that I don't think you can call the pick a "waste" or call it a "failed experiement" after last year. Pat White was brought in to run a specific package of plays and to be the part time trigger man in the wildcat. That's what he worked on a majority of TC last year. Come week 3 Chad Pennington goes down with an injury. Well now White is one play away from being the starter. Weekly practices now become more about him learning to be the starting QB on the fly while still trying to learn his package. Excuses have been made ad naueseum for Jason Allen to still be on this team 3 regimes and 5 years later, and a lot of it has been because "he's never had a chance to get familiar with a position before he's been changed." And the same is true of White. He didn't change positions but his role changed drastically after week 3 of last year. He deserves another shot.

And my third point is, as more and more college offenses move to the spread, the more prevalent the spread is becoming in the NFL. Nearly every team currently runs some variation of the spread. When the Pats went 18-1 they used the spread formation nearly 60% of the time that season (I read this statistic a while back and can't remember exactly what the # was so don't crucify me for that one.) The wildcat itself is a variation of the spread. Pat White was one of the best spread QBs in college football. He has a better skill set than Tim Tebow IMO. Pennington can't run the spread. Henne may be able to, but I've never seen him do it. So with the increase in the viability of the spread offense in the NFL, I see Pat White being a valuable commodity for us.

With all this being said, I don't want you to think I'm simply a homer defending Pat White. I will openly admit that he needs to improve his game. He needs to get bigger, he needs to work on his throwing mechanics and footwork more and above all I think he needs to have time, in his role, in this offense to begin to fully comprehend and understand what he needs to do.

Of course, these are all my opinions, I could be wrong.

i respect your opinion on white. obviously you like the guy and see potential. i have watched white and know he was a great college player.
i like our chances better with thigpen as a backup. he can run come in and run the spread if needed.
i just don't see pat white as an nfl qb i really don't

"Killerphins wrote:

i respect your opinion on white. obviously you like the guy and see potential. i have watched white and know he was a great college player.
i like our chances better with thigpen as a backup. he can run come in and run the spread if needed.
i just don't see pat white as an nfl qb i really don't

Im praying for Pat White to work out, seriously i want him to do well. But honestly, i just think the way youve described the situation is spot on. Pat White would have been there in the third round...maybe even in the 4th round. We just blew the pick, no other way to put it.

Alrighty, I've heard it all about Pat White, since there are so many people so down on the guy, I shall be one of his largest fans..which means out goes Smiling Happy Wally Buono, in goes Pat White for my Avie.

I just need one of those "The Orca Five" type colorized posts to say:

"2010 is the Year Pat White proves his doubters wrong!!

:D

BTW...take note of the Avie pic, no Dolphin on the helmet, meaning it comes from Training Camp 2009, where it all started.

"FinsAreLife wrote:

Im praying for Pat White to work out, seriously i want him to do well. But honestly, i just think the way youve described the situation is spot on. Pat White would have been there in the third round...maybe even in the 4th round. We just blew the pick, no other way to put it.

the pats were heavily rumored to be interested in white. and given that they had 3 2nd rounders that year, its likely they would have taken white if we hadn't.

And i assure you, the pats would use him better than we have. We might as well throw white out there with a big giant target on his chest cause defenses just tee off on him when he gets in. We've been way to obvious with White's playcalling. Every play was an outside sweep or inside hand-off. Why would defenses respect him if we only call 2 plays when he's in?

"CitizenSnips wrote:

the pats were heavily rumored to be interested in white. and given that they had 3 2nd rounders that year, its likely they would have taken white if we hadn't.

And i assure you, the pats would use him better than we have. We might as well throw white out there with a big giant target on his chest cause defenses just tee off on him when he gets in. We've been way to obvious with White's playcalling. Every play was an outside sweep or inside hand-off. Why would defenses respect him if we only call 2 plays when he's in?

Dang, to think we could have had some of those picks in return for Pat.

Trowa I admire your conviction in White. I hope you are right.

she like his shades

"Den54 wrote:

Trowa I admire your conviction in White. I hope you are right.

I Don't think there is a true Dolphin fan anywhere that doesn't hope he is right. All signs are currently pointing south though.

"LandShark13 wrote:

I Don't think there is a true Dolphin fan anywhere that doesn't hope he is right. All signs are currently pointing south though.

The main problem with that argument is all signs are about 5 passing attempts lol

The bad thing for White is that I think Thigpen is athletic enough to run the spread pretty well himself. I know he was involved in several such plays in Kansas City. And we already know Thigpen can make NFL throws. I really think White should be moved to a different position.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

The main problem with that argument is all signs are about 5 passing attempts lol

If he hit on the first pass of the season, the 50yd bomb to Ginn, there would be a different view on Pat White.

We will know what is happening with White rather quickly this preseason, if he is hitting the Tuna's Golf Cart (and didn't mean to) and throwing over the fence etc, we know we have a dud, if he doesn't spray the ball around and his passes are crisp, then White will have improved in the offseason.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

The main problem with that argument is all signs are about 5 passing attempts lol

I know his stats bro. My point is any true fan would still be rooting for his success as long as he is with the team. And the point still stands. :up: