I believe if and when Henne is called upon, he will deliver. I'm hoping that's not until late in the season or even next year, but I would not be nervous with him under center vs. say another 2nd round pick we had.

 

I want Pennington healthy, but if he gets hurt, god forbid, then I am okay with Henne. Pennington isn't the future; so long term the dolphins would be okay. Short term it would be a sizable blow.

 

Just stirring the pot, huh 81 ??

 

im sure we were all aware of this when we signed him.

 

this isn't stirring the pot, this is informative reporting by a thoughtful jets fan...jets fans are held in very high regard around here :wink2:

 

Thats OK, my cat will take his out any day.

 

I can't get mad at the Jets fans that come to our site, I mean after all it's not like they can find an INTELLIGENT conversation about football anywhere else is it? So give the Jets fans some love when they visit, they are just trying to learn something

 

Thanks for the info, lets hope its nothing.

 

I can deal with posted articles like this. It's the Jet Fan commentary that usually follows the article that gets me heated. Honestly though, I didn't even realize a Jets fan had posted this until I read some of the responses.

Pennington does have issues with arm strength, but he's still one of the smartest QBs in the league and will figure out ways of getting this team into the end zone.

 

Not an encouraging article. If you stop the running game, and take away the short routes. We're in trouble.

 

I love how jets fans keep pointing this out to us.

 

Thanks for the article bro :hi5:

Yeah, I along with many other Phin fans have been saying the same thing, Penny's arm is going to limit our offense and Jets fans know this better than we do. Defenses don't fear his arm and they will cheat against the run, making Ronnie's and Ricky's job that much tougher.

I'm still not sure why it's hard for people to accept valid criticism around here.

 

1-7 on deep passes. Not good!

 

I also believe you loved him like a brother when he was with your team,correct? Could'nt do wrong and defend him till' the end until he got booted by your franchise,right?:wink2:
Then why post this garb here???

 

i just question why we are throwing the ball 43 times in a game.

 

Yeah, no kidding. It's not like the game was out of reach when we seemed to shy away from the run, we should play to the team's strength.

 

They stuffed the run, big time. And after they nailed that 60+ yarder for a TD we had to answer. The running game wasn't going to generate points and our TE's were open all day long.

I wish we had stuck to it a little more as well, put you can do it so long if its not working. That said, Ronnie should've gotten more carries. Ashame too because there D was DONE in the 4th quarter. Had we started Ronnie he may have worn them down a little quicker.

 

they had some early success against our run, but i'd stop short of saying they "stuffed" our run. we still pulled off some good runs, and i think it had more to do with abandoning the run game early when we fell back 20-7. there were still times i feel we should have run the ball, even toward the end of the game.

 

That 3rd and Goal play should've been a run. I dont care how many guys were stacked in the box, you run it. At worst, check it to a PA and hit Fasano or Martin. The roll out to Bess almost made me cry.

Any way you slice it, 49 yds. rushing is pathetic.

 

Yeah, its something to question considering our team is designed to run heavily, even though we didn't have a lot of success running it.

I've heard many people say that Pennington gets worse when he throws over 25 passes in a game. Here's a look of Pennington when he throws over 25 passes in a game since 2005. 2005 was when he had his first rotator cuff surgery performed. I used 2005 because people always say "well, he was able to do this and that before the surgery."

Record: 9-11

Completion Percentage Per Game: 64.7 %

Touchdowns Thrown Per Game: 1.25

Interceptions Thrown Per Game: 1.1

Quarterback Rating Per Game: 82.6

NOTE: The statistics above do include Pennington's first game with the Dolphins.

 

Youd have to look at each game though and see if he was passing a lot because they were playing from way behind or not.

 

I guess I don't understand all the negativity being leveled at Pennington. He did throw two TD passes and put us in a position to win the game. Let's give him a few more games before passing judgement.

 

Looks like spelling poses "challanges" for Jet fans.

Sorry man, I couldn't resist. :tongue2:

 

We have his whole career to look upon to form our opinion of his abilities. Look back to last year or the previous year, what were we Dolphin fans saying about him when he was in green and white? Weak arm, can't throw deep, his passes resemble a wounded duck, focus on stopping the run, etc.

That doesn't all of a sudden go away because he's in a Miami uni. :wink2:

 

I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to Pennington. I was paying attention to the play of our quarterbacks. Sure I called him a "noodle armed weeny" but that's because he was a Jet. To be honest I really didn't have any solid evidence of Pennington's arm strength one way or the other. All I know is I was hoping for Clemens to be the starter everytime we played the Jets because I knew Chad posed the greater threat.

People can have any opinion they want of his abilities. But he's the best option we have so why trash the guy? You still didn't address the fact that he was one of the only productive offensive weapons we had last week. And he was moving the ball without a running game to keep the defense honest. I don't care about arm strength, I care about results. We came up short last week, but it would have been a lot shorter without Pennington's effort.

 

I think Sparano hit the panic button on the run game.

 

Oh absolutely, he's our most experienced QB and that experience and game management will win us some games, but pointing out the fact that defenses are going to play us differently with Penny isn't trashing the guy, it's what happened.

I fully expected the Jets D to cheat against the run, number one they have a very good secondary and number two because that's what teams have been doing against Penny for a while now. They try to take away the run game and force him to try and beat them in the air, which has led to alot of picks/turnovers and was the reason that the Jets were trying to replace him. Our offense was dreadful last week, I didn't see too many highlights. I saw alot of incompletions early on and a few WR's who were wide open and didn't even get a look. When you are a run oriented team and you end up throwing the ball 43 times a game, something is wrong. You can blame it on a poor running game, you can blame it on the score, you can chalk it up to poor playcalling, etc but I saw something that I've seen more than a few times over the past couple of years, it was something that I worried about when he was rumored to be coming here and it's going to bother me all season. Penny is going to handicap this offense a bit and we aren't talented enough to overcome it.

Again, I'm not trying to trash a player, this is just something that he's known for and it's the reason the Jets wanted to get rid of him and it's also why the Jets fans are pointing it out. They know. :wink2:

 

Yeah, we have to have confidence in the run and keep pounding away. Ronnie is a better back as the game goes on, we should have been trying to wear down the D, instead he was wasted.

 

I don't disagree with everything you have to say on this. But the Jets didn't want to get rid of Pennington so much as they wanted Favre. They couldn't have both. If Favre didn't go to the Jets, Pennington probably would have been their starting QB.

 

I think that game showed Sparano's newness as a head coach. I think our coaching staff panicked a little and gave up on the run too early. Ricky had a couple of nice runs and Ronnie barely had the ball. Ronnie needs to get warmed and into a rhythm. I think if we had kept pounding the ball we would have had more time of possession, slowed the jets down and broken some big runs in the 4th quarter after their defence was worn down. Hopefully Sparano learned a few things from this game.

 

Oh yes they wanted to get rid of him. They couldn't buy his ticket out of there fast enough. They just couldn't get rid of him ... until Favre came along.

 

I guess I better get used to the Pennington weak arm / sucks threads. I really hate to turn this into another John Beck thread, but for those of you keeping track at home, Pennington threw double the amount of TDs that John Beck threw last season in one game. Keep that in mind when trashing his arm strength.

If Pennington could gain 1/4th the acceptance John Beck had / has on this board he'll be doing ok. It's amazing the excuses some of you will make for one QB, but not another.

 

Pennington has already achieved a level of success in the NFL that a relatively small % of QBs are able to reach. I'd hang my hat on that before hoping that a young prospect who has struggled mightily in the early goings would develop into something better.

Again, this thread is not about Pennington vs. John Beck. I just think people need to be thankful that we have a veteran QB on this team that can orchestrate points. He's not the best QB in the NFL by any means, and he's not the future, but he's the best QB on our roster right now and deserves our support.

 

While I do agree that he is the best QB on the roster, I have to wonder if he's the best fit for us. The philosophy of this team is basically to run heavily. When it is a success, Pennington can be successful with play action plays. But when it is not successful, is the game over for us? I mean, Pennington can't throw deep so teams know his limits and they don't have to worry about the down-field threat of Ted Ginn, Bess and/or whoever else. I'm not big on rookies starting but could we be better off with Henne in then Pennington? Henne has that strong arm that he can use to go downfield to the receivers. Teams would have to gameplan differently and it could open up the offense for us.

 

Which I would fully expect from a seasoned veteran on a much improved team and a rookie who was thrown into a bad situation without being properly prepared by the coaching staff. The comparison is a poor one.

It's not about playing favorites or making excuses, nobody even mentioned Beck or yanking Pennington out of the lineup. But to think that we can't criticize a player for poor play (if warranted) or point out obvious limitations is silly, we shouldn't be expected to blindly support players and think of them as probowlers when that clearly isn't the case. :wink2:

I like Penny, I actually wanted him before FA even started to fill the vet backup role, but I quickly changed my mind when I read that he wanted to be a starter. Ginn is a homerun threat and he's going to be misused all year if Penny is unable to hit him downfield. If you can't spread the defense, then the running game is going to struggle to find yards and that is part of the drawback to having Chad behind center IMO.