He was a great value pick, though.

 

Awesome!!!

 

Thats literally all he did.........and beat a women. But other than that.....great pick Miami!

 

1 impact play per 4 seasons.

 

Darlington needs to do his research. Hagan was a third rounder.

 

If only he was a great value player too. Value doesn't mean anything when the player ends up sucking.

 

The Genius that is Parcells ladies and gentlemen!

 

So, are we allowed to blame IReland for this one, or was this one of those ocassions where he was locked in his bedroom or out sick when Parcells picked the abd players?

I just want to make sure I'm directing my ire at the right guy...

 

Why re-sign him, to cut him before TC and even the draft?

 

Supposedly he wasn't attending the workouts. THAT was the straw that broke the camel's back LOL

 

He also showed very little effort in practice week in and week out.
The guy didnt care.

 

So slightly better than our average second rounder.

 

He is going to NE and going beastmode watch...

I would expect more of this.....this week.....they need cap room for the picks.....

 

New England doesn't exactly have a good track record picking up defensive cast-offs and motivating them to play better.

 

Well, now they have a convenient excuse to go Fletcher Cox at 8. :pity:

 

NOTABLE PLAYERS TAKEN AFTER MERLING AT 32: Jordy Nelson (36) Eddie Royal (42) Matt Forte (44) DeSean Jackson (49) Ray Rice (55).

But we were already pretty loaded at WR...

 

But see those are playmakers.

Neither Ireland nor Parcells have any use for their kind

 

and so it begins...

 

I remember several people here wanted Jackson BAD. Looking back at that draft, you get the feeling Chad Henne really was an afterthought. Like, oh, we have this extra 2nd Round pick here...Chad Henne is there...alright.

 

Most people said that we'd have taken either Henne or Brohm, whichever was still there.

I can remember watching DJax at the combine. That absolutely sold me on him. Dude was crazy at the workouts.

 

Correct. Ireland missed on a 2nd rounder. Feel free to lump him in the group of 31 other GMs that have missed on 2nd rounders :up:

 

Don't forget the crowd that insists you take that possible QB before anything like a WR or DE even if its a miss because you just have to grab that QB.

 

Well he's missed on several second rounders, Merling, Henne, White, Koa Misi. We'll see what happens with Thomas. Plus he blew two 2nd rounders on Marshall, knowing all the risks, and then traded him two years later for two 3rd rounders.

But yes, he's just like every GM in the league, except for the really good ones who hit on a 2nd rounder from time to time

 

I don't think they were aware of all the risks of Marshall. Primarily the psychological disorder.

 

Consistently missing on Second Rounders is a valid criticism of Ireland.

Daniel Thomas was statistically one of the worst running backs in football last year. And don't blame the o-line. Reggie Bush ran behind the same line. If Koa Misi doesn't take a major step forward this year, he too will be a second-round bust.

 

Except that they took a DE before a QB and he still sucked.

 

Come on. MArshall had been in trouble numerous times, had already been suspended, and may have gotten his best friend killed in a nightclub altercation.

Finding out about the BPD was a positive step, if anything, as through therapy and treatment he might've been able to control the problem.

In short, Marshall didn't do anything differently here than he did in Denver. If the risk was acceptable to you then, then it should have continued to be acceptable.

 

Marshall never had issues with teammates in Denver, as far as I recall. I don't think anyone expected him to come here and have issues with coaches. Most of the logic was that he was just pissed the Broncos never gave him the contract they promised him.

There was no valid reason to believe that Marshall's issues were the result of a disease. There are plenty of players that act out the way Marshall did, and those issues generally go away with a big contract or change of scenery. In Marshall's case, he has a disease that makes it very hard to behave the way a professional athlete needs to behave.

 

I loved Marshall but come on if they didn't know that he was a psycho I would say they were just being naive......

 

Interesting on who we could have taken in the 2nd rounds over the past few years...

:tantrum:

 

Why would someone want those players?

One, they're fast. Speed in the NFL is pointless.
Two, they're exciting. The NFL is NOT about entertaining the fans.
Three, they're not huge, lumbering guys. If they're not big and slow, how can they succeed in this league?

 

You don't understand most of us are saying you take the QB because of the new CBA.

 

Now compile a list of GMs that passed on those Pro-Bowlers for less-talented players.

 

What teammates did he have issues with here? His QB's?

Well, he had those same issues in Denver for guys not named Jay Cutler. And he had many problems with coaches in Denver, including Shannahan, before McAdolescent ever came to town.

He seemed to be doing ok here for the most part, outside of the incident with his wife which then led to the diagnosis. Part of being in management is managing talented people. Marshall is talented enough that you manage the problem, rather than trading him for ten cents on the dollar. Lots of teams learn to deal with high maintenance guys if the payoff is big enough

 

Seriously, has Ireland not done anything that is worthy of criticism to you?

The fact that other crappy GMs have made similar mistakes doesn't make Ireland good. The whole goal should be to find a GM who makes less of those mistakes

 

Its not valid, because you don't know if his 2nd round picks were entirely his decision while Parcells was here.

I still have yet to get a plausible reason that Ireland would have autonomy while Parcells was here. I've not seen a single valid argument Ireland didn't have to follow Parcells blueprint while Parcells was his boss.

 

Only if you ask nicely.

 

I'm interested in looking at his entire record of acquiring talent. Not criticizing each and every move.

Not just crappy GMs, all GMs. You could make a list of great players that great GMs have passed on.