Perfect company

It hurts but they are the best team I have seen in my lifetime. They have never really looked like losing this season, even when they came close they were still only a deep lob to Moss away from 7 points. I don't see them winning the superbowl, because I have faith that at some point, somebody will have to beat them. It only takes Brady having a bad day, and up to this point he hasn't.

The scary thing is, they will add a top ten draft pick next season. Yes, they will probably lose a coach or two, they always do, but they always keep ticking. The only hope we have of winning the division in the near future is if Belichick leaves, and he just might decide to leave on the top this offseason.

"like2god wrote:

They might not have respect for the game when they're running up the score and their coach might be the biggest jackass on the planet, but you can't deny that they are the most talented team that the NFL has ever seen. Pains me to say it, but they're great.

IMO, Untrue...

Talent:
If you look on just talent, on Offense they are not even the most talented Offensive team this year (Colts still havejust as good recievers as the Pats, better TE, better O-line, better RB, and a QB with more skills), On defense the Pats are better then the Colts, but the Colts have more players considered the best at their positions.

And the most talented all around team by far is the Steeler teams of the 70s(Teams like the Packer teams of the 60s, Cowboy teams of the 70s, Dolphins teams of the 70s (Don't let the noname nickname fool you) 49ers teams of the 80s, Bears of the 80s....all more talented then the Patriots team this year) .

Mentally strong (Played as a team, played smart):

They may be the most mentally strong team this year, but they are not even close to the 70s Miami Dolphins (Teams like the 60s Packers, 70s Steelers, 70s Raiders.....all way more mentally strong).

This Patriots team is running up scores to make themselves look good, but against teams like the old Steelers, Raiders, Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers, Bears teams they would have hard time even being in the game.

Do you really think the Patriots come back (As they did last night against the Giants) against one of the teams I just mentioned.....No way.

"TampaFinsFan01 wrote:

Adam, Adam, Adam...

Let me explain something to you about football. Its about WINNING. This isn't boxing where you have knockouts and crap. You win, and thats all that matters.

You are too young to remember the Perfect Season in Miami. I am not. There were a bunch of close games. In the SB vs the Redskins, they weren't even favored. No one "feared" the Fins.

The Steelers won their SBs vs the Cowboys (twice) by only four points both times. Who cares. They won.

This dynasty is going to go down as the greatest yet. But don't sweat it. It gives us something to aspire to.

I am old enough to remember those teams, and this team is not in their league...Sorry.

As Adam pointed out, great FG from a great FG kicker in the last seconds of game decided the Superbowl.

This Patriots dynasty played games where most of the games opponents came out think, how the heck did we lose that game, we should have won. Not taking anything away from these Patriots teams, they did what they had to and won, but they were not nearly as dominant as the other dynasties.

"TampaFinsFan01 wrote:

ROFL...you don't cheat to go perfect. You get some calls that go your way. You get some luck. But thats why only one team has ever won them all.

You guys need to get past your prejudices and admit greatness where it is. And it is NE, and this NE team would beat that 72 team by 3 TDs.

Please keep your comments on the post and not the poster. Just because you disagree with someone, that doesn't make them or their opinions "ignorant".

"TampaFinsFan01 wrote:

ROFL...you don't cheat to go perfect. You get some calls that go your way. You get some luck. But thats why only one team has ever won them all.

You guys need to get past your prejudices and admit greatness where it is. And it is NE, and this NE team would beat that 72 team by 3 TDs.

Well, bit of a stupid thing to say considering they only beat the 07 fins by 3 touchdowns. Are you saying that the 72 team are only as good as todays Dolphins?

"dolpns13 wrote:

Its too late for that. There heads are bigger than the staypuffed marshmallow man. Look at when Rodney Harrison got in Billick's face. You dont do that to a coach. He should have been suspended for at least 1 game

:lol: That's true, it could also be their downfall, they may start becoming too overconfident going into the playoffs

"tay0365 wrote:

:lol: That's true, it could also be their downfall, they may start becoming too overconfident going into the playoffs

And what will this season mean for them if they lose their first playoff game...Absolutely nothing...Because if that does happen, the Ratriots will not have accomplished what we did and our legacy will stand.

"tay0365 wrote:

IMO, Untrue...

Talent:
If you look on just talent, on Offense they are not even the most talented Offensive team this year (Colts still havejust as good recievers as the Pats, better TE, better O-line, better RB, and a QB with more skills), On defense the Pats are better then the Colts, but the Colts have more players considered the best at their positions.

And the most talented all around team by far is the Steeler teams of the 70s(Teams like the Packer teams of the 60s, Cowboy teams of the 70s, Dolphins teams of the 70s (Don't let the noname nickname fool you) 49ers teams of the 80s, Bears of the 80s....all more talented then the Patriots team this year) .

I disagree, the Pats are stacked at every position, especially WR and OL. The Colts don't have the talent that the Pats have. Manning for all of his greatness, is not Tom Brady. Brady just finds a way to make things happen, even without the talented WR's (check his career). I can't think of one player on the Colts that I would choose over his Pats counterpart, seriously.

The Pats have a great system in place that even Wes Welker had a monster year. Yeah I know he did well for us last year, but he was All-Pro this year.

Mentally strong (Played as a team, played smart):

They may be the most mentally strong team this year, but they are not even close to the 70s Miami Dolphins (Teams like the 60s Packers, 70s Steelers, 70s Raiders.....all way more mentally strong).

This Patriots team is running up scores to make themselves look good, but against teams like the old Steelers, Raiders, Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers, Bears teams they would have hard time even being in the game.

Do you really think the Patriots come back (As they did last night against the Giants) against one of the teams I just mentioned.....No way.

It's hard for me to comment because I wasn't even a twinkle in my parents eye when the teams of the 60' and 70's were winning, but I can say that players today are bigger, faster and in much better shape and even better prepared than players of the past.

So would the Pats be able to come back against those teams? I don't know, they might not have to come back with the way their offense has played.

"like2god wrote:

It's hard for me to comment because I wasn't even a twinkle in my parents eye when the teams of the 60' and 70's were winning, but I can say that players today are bigger, faster and in much better shape and even better prepared than players of the past.

So would the Pats be able to come back against those teams? I don't know, they might not have to come back with the way their offense has played.

Great point L2G, I find it hard to compare players and teams from 30 years ago with teams today, the game has changed too much, and players today are completely different.

Congrats to the Pats, we have some company when it comes to a perfect regular season but its all for nothing if they lose in the playoffs.

"TampaFinsFan01 wrote:

ROFL...you don't cheat to go perfect. You get some calls that go your way. You get some luck. But thats why only one team has ever won them all.

You guys need to get past your prejudices and admit greatness where it is. And it is NE, and this NE team would beat that 72 team by 3 TDs.

Please be respectful and keep your comments on the post and not the poster

for all you jokers saying the NFL is rigged...

go watch the first half of the ravens game. the pats had a ton of bad calls against them.

also, go watch the colts game, where the pats had a ton of bad calls against them.

are there officiating mistakes in the NFL? of course. the pass interference rule especially has become a joke. but to say that games are rigged is just obnoxious.

and im sorry, but to be able to go undefeated in an era where the league tries its best to make all the teams equal is more amazing than the 72 fins

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

no, the patriots have zero class, and zero respect for the game. the ravens was pure example that the NFL is rigged.

i hope so much that the patriots lose in their 1st game in the playoffs. it may be Jacksonville they play, which would be awesome...Jaguars are probably the only team aside from the Colts who can beat them right now.

Another indication that they are classless pieces of crap is that they refuse to honor Sean Taylor by wearing his # 21 on the back of their helmet. Every other team in the NFL does this. This truely shows how selfish and classless the whole organization is.

"KiNG wrote:

Are the refs from the Baltimore game to be included in the ceremony parade in February?

Yea they should be. They should get first class invite.

"like2god wrote:

I disagree, the Pats are stacked at every position, especially WR and OL. The Colts don't have the talent that the Pats have. Manning for all of his greatness, is not Tom Brady. Brady just finds a way to make things happen, even without the talented WR's (check his career). I can't think of one player on the Colts that I would choose over his Pats counterpart, seriously.

I disagree, I think there is more talent with the Colts, but hey, everyone has thier own opinions. :lol:

"like2god wrote:

The Pats have a great system in place that even Wes Welker had a monster year. Yeah I know he did well for us last year, but he was All-Pro this year.

Wes Welker is a great talent, just because he could not have a monster year here, does not mean he was not very talented, not his fault we could not get a Coach that could use him right, and a QB that could actually get him the ball.

"like2god wrote:

It's hard for me to comment because I wasn't even a twinkle in my parents eye when the teams of the 60' and 70's were winning, but I can say that players today are bigger, faster and in much better shape and even better prepared than players of the past.

True, but those guys were great in their time because of talent and mental toughness, you don't think if they were playing in this time they could not be close physically as the the players of today? They would still still be special player mentally.

who knows, it is a guessing game, but special players find a way to compete in any era.

There wasn't anybody on the Dolphins o-line that was over 265 lbs, they would get mauled by todays players.

i put money on the colts to win it all, only because i got great odds

if i had to guess, i would say the pats take it all. but i would not be surprised if the colts do beat them.

one thing we have to remember, bellichick always has something new for the playoffs. it seemed like they have been doing the same thing for the past 8 weeks, adding no new wrinkles. but you can be sure that bellichick will have some great game plans for the playoffs

in terms of talent, i would say it is basically even between the pats and colts. i may even throw SD in there, but they are not as well coached, and they are lacking at the QB position.

"inFINSible wrote:

There wasn't anybody on the Dolphins o-line that was over 265 lbs, they would get mauled by todays players.

If they play today, I don't think those same players would be at 265, but the same type of heart would still be there.

Do you think these guys just became 300+, these monsters are more muscle bound because of many factors, bring in those guys from the 70s, have them eat what these guys eat, workout like these guys workout, and even take some of the supplements that these guys take, and they are just as big.

"inFINSible wrote:

There wasn't anybody on the Dolphins o-line that was over 265 lbs, they would get mauled by todays players.

Weight doesn't necessarily mean more strength and it sure doesn't equate to more toughness and more heart. Let's see some of today's players drive have the bone marrow drilled out of their arm and have a steel rod pounded up into it so they could play in a game with a broken arm like Kooch did.

Zonk, Kooch, Little and other players of those times like Ditka, Nitschke, Curtis, Bubba Smith,e etc. were much meaner and tougher than any of today's players.

Besides the two best defensive players we've had for years are JT and Zach and I would hardly describe them as "big" football-wise.

"tay0365 wrote:

If they play today, I don't think those same players would be at 265, but the same type of heart would still be there.

Do you think these guys just became 300+, these monsters are more muscle bound because of many factors, bring in those guys from the 70s, have them eat what these guys eat, workout like these guys workout, and even take some of the supplements that these guys take, and they are just as big.

I thought we were talking about the actual players playing each other. Sorry, I'm wrong I suppose.

"nenothtu wrote:

Weight doesn't necessarily mean more strength and it sure doesn't equate to more toughness and more heart. Let's see some of today's players drive have the bone marrow drilled out of their arm and have a steel rod pounded up into it so they could play in a game with a broken arm like Kooch did.

Zonk, Kooch, Little and other players of those times like Ditka, Nitschke, Curtis, Bubba Smith,e etc. were much meaner and tougher than any of today's players.

Besides the two best defensive players we've had for years are JT and Zach and I would hardly describe them as "big" football-wise.

Heart is great but we're talking every single defender in front of them having at least 40 lbs on each man and in some cases much much more, that is just asking way to much, even for men of the caliber we had.

**** them. forget th "cheating". i have issue with passing up 40 points.

"TampaFinsFan01 wrote:

Some of you guys need to just accept it. These Patriots are way better than the Fins teams of the early 70s. This is dynasty thats already won 3 SBs and on its way to a fourth.

Look forward and not backwards. Our goal has to be to be competitive first and then to win SBs second. Right now, the Patriots are the best dynasty thats ever played this game.

I vote the 70's Steelers. They would have ran theball all day on NE.

Not once this season have I watched a Patriots game to see the greatness that they have so graciously bestowed upon us. I watch their games to see which team can knock them off. If Randy Moss wasn't on that team this season, they aren't going into the playoffs undefeated.