PFF Article/Ellerbe A Colossal Fail

maybe we should cut all the coaches and keep all the players we could hire Mike Noland or somebody.

"Boik14 wrote:

Another Ireland gem. Who needs Karlos Dansby or Kevin Burnett when we have Ellerbe and Wheeler? Of course the younger player is always better. :sigh:

Burnett turns 31 tomorrow, Dansby is already 32.

You can be sarcastic and pot shot the GM all you want but the reality is if you're building a team around Tannehill (which we should be) then you want guys who will be peaking in the next 2-4 years, not guys who peaked 2-4 years ago.

"Section126 wrote:

ah yes...people long for Fat Man Dansby to be here...

The glare from their burning pitchforks is blinding them.

"MrClean wrote:

Such an example of brilliant General Managing. :pity: Yet, if anyone here disparages Ireland, his loyal supporters will call them anything from cultists to misguided, uniformed, or whatever.

Do you not understand how old and obnoxious the anti-Fireland stuff is. People don't like him, duh, everyone knows that. It doesn't have to be the focal point of every single thread.

Dude made a thread about Ellerbe and his play. Can we talk about Ellerbe and his play? No because the Firelanders are on patrol.

Now I understand that some people know very little about the game and have nothing of substance to say about topics like LB play, zone drops, gap fills, shades, spills, pursuit angles, play recognition, etc. but I think the forum would be a lot better off if those people took a break from the ranting and actually tried to learn something.

JMO.

"GMJohnson wrote:

Do you not understand how old and obnoxious the anti-Fireland stuff is. People don't like him, duh, everyone knows that. It doesn't have to be the focal point of every single thread.

Dude made a thread about Ellerbe and his play. Can we talk about Ellerbe and his play? No because the Firelanders are on patrol.

Now I understand that some people know very little about the game and have nothing of substance to say about topics like LB play, zone drops, gap fills, shades, spills, pursuit angles, play recognition, etc. but I think the forum would be a lot better off if those people took a break from the ranting and actually tried to learn something.

JMO.

Soooo just how long have you hated Jeffy?

"GMJohnson wrote:

Do you not understand how old and obnoxious the anti-Fireland stuff is. People don't like him, duh, everyone knows that. It doesn't have to be the focal point of every single thread.

Dude made a thread about Ellerbe and his play. Can we talk about Ellerbe and his play? No because the Firelanders are on patrol.

Now I understand that some people know very little about the game and have nothing of substance to say about topics like LB play, zone drops, gap fills, shades, spills, pursuit angles, play recognition, etc. but I think the forum would be a lot better off if those people took a break from the ranting and actually tried to learn something.

JMO.

1. Which are you? Fireland, or anti-Fireland?
2. No one is stopping you from talking about those things.
3. I do not recall your ever talking about those things. So, are you including yourself in the "nothing of substance to say" category? Perhaps you have discussed those things and I just missed it.

Perhaps this forum's overall level of knowledge is just beneath you. There is always that possibility...

"MrClean wrote:

1. Which are you? Fireland, or anti-Fireland?
2. No one is stopping you from talking about those things.
3. I do not recall your ever talking about those things. So, are you including yourself in the "nothing of substance to say" category? Perhaps you have discussed those things and I just missed it.

Perhaps this forum's overall level of knowledge is just beneath you. There is always that possibility...

1. Irrelevant
2. Id rather not have a convo with myself.
3. Do you read all my posts? I'm flattered.

Lol clearly it's the Firelanders who think the forum is beneath them. I can't think of another reason why they'd blather on and on endlessly about the same thing as if the rest of us were too slow to understand them the first 100 times.

"GMJohnson wrote:

Burnett turns 31 tomorrow, Dansby is already 32.

You can be sarcastic and pot shot the GM all you want but the reality is if you're building a team around Tannehill (which we should be) then you want guys who will be peaking in the next 2-4 years, not guys who peaked 2-4 years ago.

I will pot shot our garbage GM. I dont want guys who will be peaking with Tannehill instead of guys who are good. Your boy got rid of good, slightly older players for just as expensive worse players who happen to be a few years younger. I want both but if given the choice give me good players. You just come up with every excuse for Jeff Ireland.

"GMJohnson wrote:

1. Irrelevant
2. Id rather not have a convo with myself.
3. Do you read all my posts? I'm flattered.

Lol clearly it's the Firelanders who think the forum is beneath them. I can't think of another reason why they'd blather on and on endlessly about the same thing as if the rest of us were too slow to understand them the first 100 times.

And Im sure they wonder why you blather on defending him when hes not worth defending (IMO of course). I dont know why youre afraid to criticize the guy for anything when myself and others arent always afraid to give credit when its due. Its probably not going to change, nor should it, because only a few seem content with mediocrity.

The hilarious thing is that the Ireland supporters will try and tell you that he spent all this money this offseason for 2-3 years down the road.

The fact of the matter is, you don't overspend in free agency for 2-3 years down the road. You overspend in free agency because you are trying to save your job.

Ireland's moves are a clear case of mis-evaluation and shows that he does not have the vision to fit the player to the scheme.

"GMJohnson wrote:

1. Irrelevant
2. Id rather not have a convo with myself.
3. Do you read all my posts? I'm flattered.

Lol clearly it's the Firelanders who think the forum is beneath them. I can't think of another reason why they'd blather on and on endlessly about the same thing as if the rest of us were too slow to understand them the first 100 times.

1. Perhaps someone would respond, or just be in such awe that many many would rep and fist bump you.
2. Probably not. Only if in a thread I am perusing.
3. Sounds like you are anti-Fireland, yet you said in your previous post "Do you not understand how old and obnoxious the anti-Fireland stuff is."

"Boik14 wrote:

I will pot shot our garbage GM. I dont want guys who will be peaking with Tannehill instead of guys who are good. Your boy got rid of good, slightly older players for just as expensive worse players who happen to be a few years younger. I want both but if given the choice give me good players. You just come up with every excuse for Jeff Ireland.

Dont kill the messenger. I'm merely pointing out the logic that went into the decision as I see it. I was defending Dansby when a lot of people wanted him cut and I wasn't a big fan of him being let go, but I understand why it was done. Same goes for Long, Bush, Fasano, Smith, Davis, Marshall etc. The difference is I don't sit in my armchair and pass judgement like I know more than the decision makers. To each his own I guess.

And Im sure they wonder why you blather on defending him when hes not worth defending (IMO of course). I dont know why youre afraid to criticize the guy for anything when myself and others arent always afraid to give credit when its due. Its probably not going to change, nor should it, because only a few seem content with mediocrity.

Dude, you came into a lets give credit to Ireland for his good moves thread and did nothing but rip him so I'm a bit skeptical on the above. As for being afraid to criticize him, that is BS. I said before the draft, many many times, that we needed to shore up the OL so that we could run effectively, force teams to compensate then punish them thru the air. I said it made no sense to pay Wallace 60 million if we didn't have an OL to protect RT long enough to get MW the ball. My mock called for an OG (Franklin) at 12, a trade up for an OT (Watson) and Eddy Lacy, a physical back to compensate for Miller's lack of power and pass pro ability. It's all on record. I could make a new thread every day on how Irish was a moron if I wanted to.

Obviously Irish went in another direction. The difference is I don't get a rise from bashing and scapegoating guys, not the GM and not anyone else either. I don't play the result and I remember the instances where I was wrong much more than the times I was right. Maybe you're never wrong, maybe you could do a better job than Irish, if that's the case then I apologize.

A trained monkey could put together a more cohesive roster than Jeff Ireland can.

How can somebody that writes for a website be so misinformed as to state: "However, much as they shouldn’t be, the Dolphins are still in control of their destiny. All they have to do is beat the Jets at home."?

And doesn't the site have a editor to catch this?

Was never thrilled with Dansby or Burnett's play. Not thrilled with Ellerbe or Wheeler.

Dansby is better that Ellerbe..

I don't think Philbin wanted Dansby on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Vontae on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Marshall on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted smith on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Bush on the team.

I don't think Philbin wanted Long on the team.

Ireland is on the hot seat, but why would he get rid of players that he according to a lot of folks, drafted, and went after in free agency..

Those moves scream Philbin

"djphinfan wrote:

Dansby is better that Ellerbe..

I don't think Philbin wanted Dansby on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Vontae on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Marshall on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted smith on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Bush on the team.

I don't think Philbin wanted Long on the team.

Ireland is on the hot seat, but why would he get rid of players that he according to a lot of folks, drafted, and went after in free agency..

Those moves scream Philbin

Just because Ireland drafted a player doesn't mean he isn't willing to let them go if they are too expensive. He let Langford walk and he was definitely a hit for Ireland.

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

Just because Ireland drafted a player doesn't mean he isn't willing to let them go if they are too expensive. He let Langford walk and he was definitely a hit for Ireland.

I got a strong vibe and by reading between the lines that Philbin didn't want Dansby, Bush, Smith, Davis, Marshall...also got a strong vibe that Dansby didn't like Philbin.

It makes sense considering what I saw and heard that these moves were endorsed by the head coach..

I wanted to move on from Marshall, I didn't want Bush or Smith either, and I'm pretty dam sure Jake long didn't want to be a Miami dolphin....agree or disagree with the moves, but I think it's pretty clear they were the coaches recommendations.

"bigbry wrote:

Are you talking about a Moderator again Mo?

Because I think they all get extended and given a handsome boost in salary.

I hope your kidding. There are better ones in FA and the draft

"djphinfan wrote:

I got a strong vibe and by reading between the lines that Philbin didn't want Dansby, Bush, Smith, Davis, Marshall...also got a strong vibe that Dansby didn't like Philbin.

It makes sense considering what I saw and heard that these moves were endorsed by the head coach..

I wanted to move on from Marshall, I didn't want Bush or Smith either, and I'm pretty dam sure Jake long didn't want to be a Miami dolphin....agree or disagree with the moves, but I think it's pretty clear they were the coaches recommendations.

I totally agree with this. Who wants who around is unknown and we are probably guessing at most stuff. Eellerbe has been a let down but I didn't watch dansby and think this dude is the future.

I think there is always more to it than the public knows.

That's why record and team accomplishments are tied to both GM and HC.

That's how they're judged. As of now, both are failing IMO.

"djphinfan wrote:

Dansby is better that Ellerbe..

I don't think Philbin wanted Dansby on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Vontae on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Marshall on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted smith on the team..

I don't think Philbin wanted Bush on the team.

I don't think Philbin wanted Long on the team.

Ireland is on the hot seat, but why would he get rid of players that he according to a lot of folks, drafted, and went after in free agency..

Those moves scream Philbin

If Ireland accommodated Philbin on those moves, why did he not accommodate him when Philbin wanted Incognito off the team and when Philbin told him that Martin was not good enough to start at left tackle?

The bottom line is this. Jeff Ireland has final say on all personnel acquisitions. Any bad moves are on him. Pretty much all of Miami's free agency decisions this offseason were bad moves.

Those that support Jeff are constantly blaming his bad moves on someone else, whether that be Bill Parcells or now Joe Philbin. Somehow, Jeff is never responsible for any bad moves. It's always someone else's fault. I will never understand how some fans on here can support this guy with his track record, and when you also consider the fact that he does not conduct business with any integrity or character.

"KB21 wrote:

The bottom line is this. Jeff Ireland has final say on all personnel acquisitions.

What evidence can you provide that supports this theory?

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"Stringer Bell wrote:

What evidence can you provide that supports this theory?

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What evidence can you provide that shows he doesn't have final say on all personnel decisions?

Stephen Ross has mentioned it in the past that Ireland has final say on who is on the 53 man roster.

Obviously, you think we have the most powerless GM in football though. Apparently, he's just a figure head that is just there for people to hate.

Lets re-hash this,
letting Dansby go was a mistake. I thought even with Ellerbe here, Dansby could have been used. Dansby was good enough to switch linebacker positions if thats what was needed. He was the defensive leader and the guy would have ran through walls for us. He's an emotional person obviously from his outspoken actions and I think that is why Philbin didn't want him here. Philbin doesn't want any player on this team to actually speak their mind about things and that is probably the main problem I have with him. Make no mistake about it though, we would have been a much better defensive team with Dansby still here.

I wasn't cool with us letting Jake Long walk for nothing. Seemed to me we had just spent a number one pick on the guy. That 1-15 season was and is still fresh in my mind. I didn't see the worn down shell of his former self LT that many of you described. He just tore his ACL for St.Louis and thats a shame, but he has helped make a star out of Zach Stacy a fifth round pick this year. Bradford/Clemens have also been protected quite well. Bradford got hurt trying to make a play with his legs.
Now clearly the left tackle position along with the entire offensive line has been by far the biggest flaw on this team this season!

As for Ellerbe, i'm not sure what the problem is because he really looked the part of an up and coming player last year in Baltimore. He's a playmaker i'll give him that, but the complaints about him have not stopped since week 4 of this year. Excuses about "getting to know the system" were thrown around but at the end of the day you either play well or you don't. I wouldn't call it a colossal fail just yet...to me it falls right in line with the Mike Wallace signing..In other words I guess we'll see what happens next year.

Sean Smith was becoming one of my favorite players while he was here. I thought he was good, but not great and certainly not worth the money he was asking for. Letting him go sucked, but it had to be done. The same can be said for Reggie Bush in my opinion. He did some nice things while he was here and he's done some nice things in Detroit, but they are still not a playoff team with him, and he hasn't been able to stay healthy.