PFT Merriman Knee may be real bad

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JAJacksonNew MemberOP
Aug 21, 2008, 02:27 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

Profootballtalk.com is hearing that there's "quiet concern" in the Chargers' organization that Shawne Merriman's career could be over.

I DOUBT his career is in jeopardy But if it is, or is cut short, its going to be a real shame that he had all that talent, used steroids and never made the type of impact he could have

BuckeyeKingBuckeyeKingNew Member
Aug 21, 2008, 02:32 PM

WOW thats crazy.

His Knee's must be bone on bone.

pennphinfanpennphinfanforum_veteran
Aug 21, 2008, 03:13 PM

YouTube - Hillarious Steroids Commercial

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 03:15 PM

I don't know if his career will end, it could possibly if its too bad. He has had numerous injuries in the past couple months and has visited the doctor several times. He's had a lot going on this off-season, from denying the failed drug test to this now. Wish him luck because it'd be a really sad thing to see a talent like that leave this game, steroids or not.

BpkBpkluxury_box
Aug 21, 2008, 03:31 PM

I don't know how long he used 'roids, but there is some medical evidence that steroid use causes weakening of the structural tissue in joints. Of course, when the athlete, ineveitably, gets injured, they can use MORE steroids to help heal faster.

'Tis a snowball effect.

I still think Bo Jackson's career-ending hip injury wouldn't have been career ending had he not been, as I suspect, using steroids heavily. Of course, there's no proof he used them. That's a personal supposition based on such a run-of-the-mill injury ending a career.

FinsPensFanFinsPensFanforum_veteran
Aug 21, 2008, 03:33 PM

Bo was on the juice? I've never heard that.

All work and no play makes Mike a dull boy...

padre31padre31luxury_box
Aug 21, 2008, 03:43 PM

now that is just a pity, he was one of the current NFL players I enjoyed watching playing the game.:sad:

That leaves the Bolts in a lurch, if we still had JT, we could have gotten a #1 out them I'm sure...maybe they would like JP?:pointlol:

BuckeyeKingBuckeyeKingNew Member
Aug 21, 2008, 03:55 PM

"alen1 wrote:

I don't know if his career will end, it could possibly if its too bad. He has had numerous injuries in the past couple months and has visited the doctor several times. He's had a lot going on this off-season, from denying the failed drug test to this now. Wish him luck because it'd be a really sad thing to see a talent like that leave this game, steroids or not.

If his Knees are rubbing on bone his career is over.

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 04:19 PM

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

If his Knees are rubbing on bone his career is over.

Yeah I know but if we don't know if that's what is happening to him.

"Bpk wrote:

I don't know how long he used 'roids, but there is some medical evidence that steroid use causes weakening of the structural tissue in joints. Of course, when the athlete, ineveitably, gets injured, they can use MORE steroids to help heal faster.

'Tis a snowball effect.

I still think Bo Jackson's career-ending hip injury wouldn't have been career ending had he not been, as I suspect, using steroids heavily. Of course, there's no proof he used them. That's a personal supposition based on such a run-of-the-mill injury ending a career.

I think its somewhat obvious that he used steroids. Their was a comparison done on Merriman and his image. I believe it was his 2005 team picture that showed he wasn't jacked up and then when comparing it to 2006, he looked like a monster. Here's a look at the images:

And for those of you who think that he's wearing pads on the far left, he's not. I do want to note that he has passed 19 out of 20 drug tests. Yes, one he failed as we all know.

DesidesDesidesforum_veteran
Aug 21, 2008, 04:32 PM

Remember, some of those pictures were Photoshopped by the team because Merriman hadn't taken an official picture yet. PFT covered this. Let me dig it up.

Edit: Okay, I can't find the story on PFT, probably because they didn't carry it over to their new site format. But there's a word-for-word repost available here.

@desides01

"Not you." — Tywin Lannister

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 04:34 PM

"Desides wrote:

Remember, some of those pictures were Photoshopped by the team because Merriman hadn't taken an official picture yet. PFT covered this. Let me dig it up.

I read that they didn't photoshop it or at least that's what Florio said.

DesidesDesidesforum_veteran
Aug 21, 2008, 04:36 PM

"alen1 wrote:

I read that they didn't photoshop it or at least that's what Florio said.

No, Florio said that PFT did not Photoshop them. It turns out the Chargers were the ones who Photoshopped Merriman onto Williams.

Read the edit, it explains all.

@desides01

"Not you." — Tywin Lannister

BpkBpkluxury_box
Aug 21, 2008, 04:38 PM

"Mbs3009 wrote:

Bo was on the juice? I've never heard that.

Neither have I.

I just can't believe that the tackle I watched (tugging his leg, was a catastrophic, unhealable hip injury unless he had something strange making his joints unusually weak. Too strange for me, in addition to him being stocky as hell, and playing in an era of rampant streroid use (Lyle Alzado, also of the Raiders, came out and said it was rampant).

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 04:39 PM

"Desides wrote:

No, Florio said that PFT did not Photoshop them. It turns out the Chargers were the ones who Photoshopped Merriman onto Williams.

Read the edit, it explains all.

Yeah, I read the edit. It still doesn't take away the fact that his head is noticeably larger. The guy is/was on steroids imo and I think it shows it there.

DesidesDesidesforum_veteran
Aug 21, 2008, 05:39 PM

"alen1 wrote:

Yeah, I read the edit. It still doesn't take away the fact that his head is noticeably larger. The guy is/was on steroids imo and I think it shows it there.

Yeah, obviously he was. Thing is, his loss of bulk isn't nearly as dramatic as it's made out to be. It's almost a non-issue, IMO. What he seems to have lost is not his size, but his strength. When Maurice Jones-Drew punks you, you have a problem.

Time for the Chargers to look at a new OLB next year. Or maybe Jerry Jones is sufficiently dumb enough to swap Ware for Merriman straight up.

@desides01

"Not you." — Tywin Lannister

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 05:57 PM

"Desides wrote:

Yeah, obviously he was. Thing is, his loss of bulk isn't nearly as dramatic as it's made out to be. It's almost a non-issue, IMO. What he seems to have lost is not his size, but his strength. When Maurice Jones-Drew punks you, you have a problem.

I still think its a big thing because it could have helped him perform in the dominant ways that he did . As Bpk stated, steroids do have an impact on your joints and the use of steroids could be the reason that he is having all this trouble this off-season. The loss of strength may be because he may not be on steroids now.

BuckeyeKingBuckeyeKingNew Member
Aug 21, 2008, 06:19 PM

"Desides wrote:

Yeah, obviously he was. Thing is, his loss of bulk isn't nearly as dramatic as it's made out to be. It's almost a non-issue, IMO. What he seems to have lost is not his size, but his strength. When Maurice Jones-Drew punks you, you have a problem.

Time for the Chargers to look at a new OLB next year. Or maybe Jerry Jones is sufficiently dumb enough to swap Ware for Merriman straight up.

Chances are MJD would put anyone that tall on their ass.

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 06:29 PM

I was looking at Merriman's statistics since he's came into this league and found something interesting. Shawne Merriman has a total of 39.5 sacks in his career. 23 of those 39.5 came against the Bills, Jets, 49ers, Cardinals, Rams, Chiefs and Raiders. 13 alone came against the Raiders and Chiefs which means the remaining ten came against the Bills, Jets, 49ers, Cardinals and Rams. Merriman has been in the league 3 years now and only the Chiefs had a winning record out of all of them in those three years.

BuckeyeKingBuckeyeKingNew Member
Aug 21, 2008, 06:34 PM

lol so he beats down the scrub teams?

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 06:36 PM

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

lol so he beats down the scrub teams?

Lol hate to say it but that's what it looks like.

EDIT: What I find even more interesting is that 27 of his 39.5 sacks came when he was being questioned about steroids and the images posted earlier came out (2005-2006).

Fin Fan In CaliFin Fan In Caliluxury_box
Aug 21, 2008, 06:42 PM

CS Keys local sports anchor here was saying he had the knee checked out by Dr. Andrews who did the surgery 5 months ago. He has been having pain in that knee at practices.


Rest in peace bigbry and dolphin debby!

BuckeyeKingBuckeyeKingNew Member
Aug 21, 2008, 06:48 PM

So he must of reinjured his knee. or his knees are just worn out. IF thats the case he should hang'em up now and injury his years before it gets worst.

Fin Fan In CaliFin Fan In Caliluxury_box
Aug 21, 2008, 08:19 PM

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

So he must of reinjured his knee. or his knees are just worn out. IF thats the case he should hang'em up now and injury his years before it gets worst.

From what I understand watching NFL Network he thought the soreness would go away after the surgery and it hasn't.


Rest in peace bigbry and dolphin debby!

ALalen1New Member
Aug 21, 2008, 08:25 PM

"Fin Fan In Cali wrote:

From what I understand watching NFL Network he thought the soreness would go away after the surgery and it hasn't.

Well its been 5 months like you stated earlier and it was arthroscopic knee surgery. I don't think that it goes away after only five months. Amare Stoudemire of the Pheonix Suns had arthroscopic knee surgery and he had pain for a while. I think they have to be careful with it but I don't see it ending his career as long as he takes care of himself. He may not be the same though, he may lose his explosiveness.

Also about Merriman, I've seen multiple scouting reports on Merriman coming out of college. One thing that caught my eye is that he gained weight throughout the draft workouts and process. He went from 245 to 253 to 272 pounds.

Fin Fan In CaliFin Fan In Caliluxury_box
Aug 21, 2008, 08:40 PM

"alen1 wrote:

Well its been 5 months like you stated earlier and it was arthroscopic knee surgery. I don't think that it goes away after only five months. Amare Stoudemire of the Pheonix Suns had arthroscopic knee surgery and he had pain for a while. I think they have to be careful with it but I don't see it ending his career as long as he takes care of himself. He may not be the same though, he may lose his explosiveness.

It may take more time, or he may have to go in for some touch up work. We will have to wait and see what happens. Two sources to check are www.signonsandiego.com or www.nctimes.com


Rest in peace bigbry and dolphin debby!

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