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So its better to pretend to care about hiring minorities than to acknowledge that after decades in football that Parcells has a circle of people that he wants to bring on board? Does the Rooney rule have any tangible benefits other than pretending to level the playing field?
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The rooney rule is a bunch of crap. Hire the BEST available coach regardless of whether the coach is black, white, green or purple...The best coach should get the job
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That Rooney rule is BS.
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Therefore, the BEST coach will get the job as long as you interview qualified candidates whether they are black, white, green or purple. -
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In theory, a large part of that goal is the practice with interviewing skills so they can someday match and equal the onfield coaching skills. The "forced" interviews as you view them do provide an environment for these otherwise overlooked candidates to be interviewed and learn how to express and convey the Football knowledge they have.
Again, its overboard to say the rule is crap or the execution of the rule is illogical. Its completely logical for a league to provide opportunities for their members to learn and improve on the field and off when in the interview seat. Thats all. -
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Actually, giving an inexperienced coach the exposure of an interview can't be understated. It also gives the rest of the NFL some information on how a candidate presents himself. The head coaching job isn't about X's and O's, it's about running part of an organization, being a leader of a group of men.
Also, from what I can see, the more interviews they have, the more chance they'll get hired sometime in the future. It's about equal opportunity, and getting some experience so that anyone and everyone can compete with those who already have the experience. -
Again, they passed it as a way to guarantee that up and coming coordinators, especially minorities, would not be blocked from at minimum interviewing. Yes, its applied to all minorities whether they had previous HC experience (i.e. Art Shell, etc) or not, but its intent was for young coordinators to learn how to interview and get that experience....perhaps it is best viewed as a chance to find a diamond in the rough, or a pearl from an oyster by giving them a chance to at minimum interview. No harm, no foul in that.
Plus its possible that one owner, will/can always talk amongst themselves regarding who they interviewed and who impressed them, etc even if they have a closed mind on who they really wanted. -
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The Rooney rule is one of those things that was needed years ago, but with Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith going to the Super Bowl last year, owners see that minority coaches can win.
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The ability to work on those interview skills is #1, and #2 perhaps is the chance to change someones mind on what the "talent pool" really is for a HC position (or Front office, etc) as far as the Rooney Rule goes.
Bottomline the rule doesnt and should not guarantee anyone other that the most qualified individual from being offered the job.Last edited: Jan 2, 2008 -
Sure, and the Rooney Rule has nothing to do with changing that mindset. -
The point is giving everyone that is qualified a chance to be interviewed which is not for show...its what it takes to get better and improve. -
Rooney rule needs to be abolished. You can't fix coach discrimination WITH discrimination. You fix it by BEING A GOOD COACH.
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the rule shouldn't be abolished, but it definitely is being circumvented
in the long run the best coaches will start rising to the top and anything that can be done should be -
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If you are a GM or owner you should be able to interview anyone you want, and you also should not be pressured to interview a guy just because of the color of his skin......there are great black head coaches like Dungy, and there are some who are horrible....just like with white coaches. It should come down to your ability and not your skin color. How would you feel going to an interview realizing you were only there because of your skin color and the need to fulfill a quote (which is what the Rooney Rule is). :001_rolleyes:
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The rule exists and facts show that because of it guys like Dungy and Smith were finally given a chance.
Now if you want to prove that it is no longer necessary with the success stories of HCs like Dungy and Smith fine, but the rule served a purpose and until its proven to no longer be necessary I dont think anyone should call it crap or a bad rule, etc. Its still a good rule, the only question that has the only merit to discuss is whether it is still necessary. Until its removed as a rule, I would wager to say the NFL still sees it as necessary.Last edited: Jan 2, 2008 -
It's just one more step to apply pressure to hire minority candidates for the sole purpose of increasing numbers.
It dosen't take anything into consideration but propoganda.
These teams will hire who they think is best regardless of color and they don't need "equality groups" to "hold anyone's feet to the fire" for that to happen. -
The only pressure it applies quite apparantly the league agreed with....INTERVIEW all qualified candidates. -
I think you guys are underestimating what just an interview can do for some coaches. Would anyone ever mention Mike Singletary if he never got interviewed??? -
You cannot interview everyone in the free world, so minorities get to the front of the line ahead of non-minorities. That's not right. -
Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?
Owner: Is your name Bill Parcells?
Candidate 1: Nope.
Owner: Sorry, you're not qualified... Next! Is your name Bill Parcells?
Candidate 2: No, it isn't...
Owner: Next! Is your name Bill Parcells?
Bill Parcells: Yes.
Owner: You're hired... :thumbup:
A little tongue-in-cheek, but it doesn't change the fact that if the owner wants to hire Dennis Green, or any other particular coach, he's going to. :confused2: -
That's funny. Ahhhh, no that is not discrimination. Having to INTERVIEW a minority that is qualified, in no way shape or form precludes or prevents you from INTERVIEWING a non-minority that is qualified.
The rule also doesnt state you have to INTERVIEW EVERY MINORITY. It only states that if an opening exists you should include at minimum 1 MINORITY that is qualified for the INTERVIEW PROCESS.Last edited: Jan 2, 2008 -
And I am sure if you are an owner and want to state that only so-and-so person is who you want to interview, the league will simply ask you to defend why this individual is the ONLY qualified candidate, and especially why ZERO minority candidates are not qualified. If you can defend and justify that, and convice the league than more power to you. But again the league is in favor of giving all qualified candidates a chance to INTERVIEW and a chance to improve their interviewing skills. -
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Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?
The problem with the Rooney Rule is that it can be used to discriminate. Not that it would be, but using the Rooney Rule if the owner wants to hire Dennis Green or Mike Singletary, after that one interview with a minority coach, no other interviews need to be done.
So, I can see that it can be construed as discrimination against non-minorities. It's very unlikely that it will ever be used that way, but the fact that it can be is enough to chafe on some people's nerves... -
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rooney rule is stupid, if i was a black coach and knew that i was only being given an interview because they have to because of the color of my skin, i would be severely offended.
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The Rooney Rule is there to INCREASE Minority INTERVIEWS. So interviewing and hiring a Dennis Green, Mike Singletary, Tony Dungy as the only candidate(s) accomplishes that and gives that owner exactly what he wants and is complicit with the rule. Yes, if an owner wanted to only HIRE a non-minority, then go for it with one rule in mind, INTERVIEW a minority candidate that is qualified to help give that MINORITY an opportunity (at minimum improve their interview skills) that didnt exist quite often prior to the rule's existence.
P.S. Those "some people" are not the sharpest tool in the shed then.Last edited: Jan 2, 2008 -
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Man, you are really fired up about this. Tell us how you really feel.
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are you?
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