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PFT Power Rankings has the Dolphins at #31

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Jul 8, 2014.

  1. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    This ain't tennis or boxing, no one player is responsible for winning games. RTs job is to play QB, run the offense, etc etc. If I had to put a number on it I'd say 80% of the factors which determine wins and losses are beyond the QBs control. And yet they're often judged by wins and losses. Just once I'd like to hear someone say LB or OL player X is good but he let his team down in crunch time, or that WR/DB player X might be replaced if his team doesn't make the playoffs. Those fallacies are only slightly less asinine than saying a QB was responsible for a win or loss.

    Again, QBR does not measure the performance of the QB, it measures the entire passing game. You can try to dumb the game down all you want, stats are a good way to do it, but really you're just clouding your own view of things.
     
  2. djphinfan

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    it's a game of inches, one or two plays a game in crucial situations from that position can swing the dynamics of a game, regardless of what you think ryan can do, he has in no way Shape or form shown us he has the innate sense to make those plays, if you continue to forgive these few plays he could of did something then you are missing the point, and he will always be close to what you want him to become but Not reach.

    You can trivialize what I'm talking about but imo it's a big deal and will determine his fate and level of play.

    I know he can throw a football and play in a comfortable pocket and win some games doing so...unfortunately that only gets you so far in this league.
     
  3. djphinfan

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    i agree with you on the stats and the passer rating, if you have a Qb getting high marks for a 70 yard TD on a hitch throw, then Houston we have a problem..however, the Qb handles the rock all the time, 30 to 40 Times a game he can do whatever the hell he wants..if his instinct is right.
     
  4. djphinfan

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    Bottome line, I have not seen an average to above average sense of getting out of the pocket, can he do it?, of course, he runs a 4.5 and played receiver, there's more to it then that, and because he Has done it on occasion doesn't mean he's average or above average at it..quite frankly he's subpar when it comes to escapability at this point relative to his athleticism that is.
     
  5. jdang307

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    Being athletic doesn't mean having a good sense of pressure, anticipating where it will come from, and react accordingly. Tony Romo runs around like a circus freak, Dan Marino just sidestepped defenders. Both different approaches, but effective at extending plays.

    Playing WR in no way is indicative of being able to evade pressure. Now, if they design rollouts/options etc. that's different.
     
  6. djphinfan

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    That's my point and why I said there's more to it than that, theres specific athletic traits needed.

    I think there is some perception following Ryan that because he played receiver and is fast he should be able to have above average escapability talent..
     
  7. roy_miami

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    If anybody thinks that Peyton Manning wouldn't have had an 80+ passer rating on any team in the league last season then you are either out of touch with reality or you have an agenda.
     
  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Everybody knows Peyton's a beast...what's your point? Anybody comparing Tannehill to Manning has an agenda.
     
  9. GMJohnson

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    It goes back to the discussion we were having in another thread. IMO you're over exaggerating the importance of breaking the pocket. You're in love with Wilson but he leaves plays on the field more often than Tannehill, even while passing the ball much less.

    If you watch the two of them respond to pressure, RT, and most QBs, will look to slide within the pocket to create space, reset and throw, or throw in rythym before the pressure can arrive. That doesn't seem to register as play making in your eyes. Wilson responds by looking to escape the pocket entirely, actually he often looks to escape even when there is no pressure, mainly bc his ability to see the field and make throws from the pocket is limited by his lack of size. You call that playmaking but really he's compensatong for a weakness in his game, and missing a lot of open targets down field in the process.

    Ill concede that RT could do better w escapability, but it's his ability to work from inside the pocket that's going to define his career.
     
  10. djphinfan

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    Ryan at this point doesn't do either very well.
     
  11. GMJohnson

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    Youre gonna mess around and make me do an obnoxiously long Tannehill thread ;)
     
  12. jdang307

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    And the person leading that offense, most responsible for how the passing offense goes is ...
     
  13. PhinFan1968

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    The OC, then the QB, but the QB works within the OC's system so...
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Does Ryan manipulate the pocket to reset his platform very well?

    Does Ryan escape the pocket and make a play on his own very well?

    Pretty simple strait forward questions GM?

    Please don't show me isolated examples of him doing both.
     
  15. Alex44

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    He slides extremely well in the pocket. From watching the tape that is simply indisputable in my eyes. The issue is that often there was absolutely no pocket to slide up into as the pressure was all encompassing.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    well, we have a fundamental disagreement here because I don't think he maneuvers the pocket " extremely" well at all.it's why I keep talking about his play speed needing to get faster, more precise in his movements..

    What we haven't discussed is the 6th sense to anticipate where the rush is coming from, it's kind of a big deal.
     
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  17. roy_miami

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    I think he does have that 6th sense, we saw it more in his first season and mostly in desperate situations at the end of the game but its there. He did regress in that this season, probably due to information overload but I think (hope) he will improve quite a bit in this area sooner rather than later. Which is one of the reasons I'm predicting he's going to have a monster season, as far as passing yards are concerned anyway.
     
  18. GMJohnson

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    I'd say Ben and Luck are the only ones who do both very well, Rodgers is next. Cam is well on his way to joining them. Every other QB struggles with one or the other. I'd rate RT as slightly above average in those depts., relative to the rest of the league.
     
  19. GMJohnson

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    Cmon now, where was the pressure coming from? Sheeeeit, where was it not coming from? Left side, right side, middle, backs not picking up the blitz, our pass pro was atrocious for much of the year. We didn't have a run game to help out, or a bunch of check downs available, either. I'm expecting average pass pro at the very least this year, if the problems continue then we can talk about RTs pocket management.
     
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  20. DPlus47

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    Because Miller looks like he belongs in the NFL only occasionally? It's not so much that Moreno is a godsend; it's more that Miller looks like the prototypical journeyman. Although he has a lot of natural ability, Miller often looks lost on a football field.
     
  21. Alex44

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    Right, but generally speaking last season the rush was coming from everywhere nearly every play. No amount of anticipation can help that.
     
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