PFT - Vikings Prepared to give Wallace 13 Million per year

To the point that they may just put signing the big name receiver over the wishes of the coach.

 

Ridiculous theory.

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The idea of Wallace may be deeper than what he actually brings to the field, like the 4 catches for 58 yards. Most "experts" are saying what Wallace brings is the ability to run an offense with the defense respecting the deep threat. It is said to open the seams for tight ends, allow a guy like Bess or Hartline to nickel and dime you to death, etc. I dont' know that I expect Wallace to increase his numbers to 8 and 109 a game. That would be great, but I think he is more of a strategic piece in running the kind of offense Philbin wants to run. Now he needs to go get his zone blocking linemen and his seam busting tight end.

 

No, they spent the whole combine sharing a room just so that Ireland and him could talk about their offseason plans, and then Ireland could turn around and disregard everything Philbin said.

 

So you pay $13 million a season for a guy who is just a strategic piece? Can you actually quantify the effect of a defense respecting a deep threat? If there is a true effect, then you should be able to quantify it in a statistic. I kept hearing how having Brandon Marshall would do the same, but having him actually hurt those around him.

 

They could sign GJ instead and there'd be precious little backlash.

I believe Wallace would make us better, simply because we needed a 3rd competent WR last year. In that regard, we'll be better, even if he just runs fly routes and Hartline & Bess do what they did last year. We won't be great, but better.

We can be better than that though with Jennings. Plus, we'll have the ability to get more out of this draft which gives us the chance to be great.

 

I don't believe this. Even though I do agree with you with the bad route running of Wallace, I have zero doubt that if Miami does sign Wallace, that is only because Philbin believes he can use him.

 

If Philbin doesn't want Jennings, I'm 100% behind that. I never liked Flynn, and Philbin didn't either.

He's worked with Jennings how long and he's not beating a path down to his door.

 

IF Miami signs or even wants to sign Wallace they have a plan and feel he will be worth it and that they believe that. They also would be astute enough to know they would need to utilize him to their best advantage .... hisn beat yourn , yourn beat hisn .... imo they will be clear on his value and production and the difference he will make.

 

As I have said, you use him as a vertical stretch guy.

 

Take it with a grain of salt, but this is from some Steelers Fans adding their 2 cents on MW to MIA

KBs evil twin:

It was mostly indifference, most of the negatives that were said was He was not very dependable on 3rd down and some clutch situations....pressure issues...seemingly choked at times and dropped the ball quite frequently (it was mostly referring to last season). I don't really see the drops though, going by % but they just said he lead THEIR team in dropped passes fwiw.... he had a chip on his shoulder and wanted to get paid, the relationship went bad... wasnt 'giving it his all'

The one consensus was that if he got his stuff together he could really be desctructive & dominant, thats a big IF. Some did say they would miss the guy alot. In the end, the Steelers DID offer this guy 10 mill... thats a pretty big point that gets overlooked.

 

Joe Philbin is not making the decisions on personnel.

 

And like I said before signing Jennings would have pleased most people also.

But they ALL perfer Wallace it appears.

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I don't believe Armando's opinions, but he does have high level sources in the organization itself. When he says that there's a disconnect between the two parts of the franchise, I believe it.

 

While I may appear to be advocating for Wallace, I will say that I am among those who will not say the sky is falling if he doesn't sign. If they don't sign him, then I expect that money to go to the positions I talked about. I don't want Jennings. I am not sure I want any free agent wrs. Recent statistics showed that less than 30 percent of wrs that changed teams performed better and made pro bowls etc. It is a position that historically doesn't bode well in free agency. Lot of reasons I suppose for that. Timing, consistency, familiarity. So while I expect the Wallace thing to go down, I am not overwhelmed by the situation.

 

He is making the shopping list

 

He is not, but Jeff Ireland better understand what Joe wants, or this will be another one of those years of disconnect.

 

So far you've said Philbin is not making personnel decisions, and further, he has zero input in them.

I'm sorry but that is asinine.

 

I'm not taking KBs perspective as a negative necessarily, he's a dude that does know the game, loves the team, that's concerned that the players skillset doesn't match up with what he's going to get paid..it's the completeness and balance argument against an element that is hard to quantify in terms of value to an offense (speed)..

Here's what I would like to think that could happen and why I will be excited, if there is true undeniable talent, which to me means the ability to move with fluidity and grace as it pertains to your positions respnsibilities, then running with some precision should be able to be taught to some extent to the talent, if we are as demanding on our receivers to run more precisely as it seems, then maybe you can get the great talent to up his game, thus making him that more dangerous in the long run..

Kind of like how I feel about Tyronne Mattheiu...you take the great talent that he was born with, and you demand technique, you might just get a special player..

If these players have the athleticism to do special things on a football field, they should be able to get their bodies in position to run precise routes...just like Kobie is one of the best perimeter defenders, Jordan was the best in his time, and Lebron and dwade can elevate their defense to the highest level any time they want...all incredibly talented athletes.

It take focus, discipline, and a certain type of strength training to become a better route runner..lets hope our staff is smart enough to demand it, and not let this athlete get away with freelancing during route..

 

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You're not really reading the scenario right.

 

didn't realize Tannehill is that tall TBH.

 

I think you need to reread what I wrote.

 

He HAS been targeted a bunch in individual games, which is the entire point. They leaned heavily on him in the Super Bowl, 16 attempts. It didn't work out too well.

 

Concerning if you're looking at paying a man $13 million a year.

BUT touchdowns have to be considered in there.

 

Has nothing to do with sports writers.

 

It really took me a lot longer than it should have to realize he meant deep passes and not the snuts.

 

You can acquire that without paying $13 million a year for it.

 

Then from whom would the pressure be coming from?

 

Um...you said

I never said anything to the contrary.

 

Everything I have seen from Joe Philbin especially on Hard Knocks indicates to me that he's a total "go with the flow" guy when it comes to personnel and Jeff Ireland's domain.

That doesn't mean that people who raise the possibility that a Mike Wallace signing would go against what Joe Philbin stands for don't have a point. He's spent YEARS talking about how he doesn't want a guy in his offense that he has to plan to throw the football a bunch of times, he wants everything to be distributed more organically, sometimes this guy and sometimes that guy, etc. If that's what you like, then having a guy on your WR depth chart accounting for 10% of your salary cap is not a good fit, even if he's too wimpy to stand up and say so.

 

The cause for excitement imo Nasty and I know you know this, would be the impact of how an offense can benefit with a defense in today's game that has to defend every inch of the field relative to what they've been doing against us..the impact could be huge..Space is a hot commodity in today's NFL game, and speed and talent is how you accrue it.

 

Everyone.

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I think Solomon Wilcox's explanation about Wallace is excellent on NFL network. It will likely be a video available later today. I understand the 13 million dollar issue. That is why I will not be upset either way. Miami's offense was in a box last year with cbs waiting to jump routes. They will not want to do that with Wallace. And I am puzzled how you accomplish that other than through Wallace. There are no top busters that I am aware of in the remaining free agent list at wr. I am guessing you are referring to the draft, and that is an option. But an unproven one as of right now. I remember your discussion on the use of Gates and it would be no different here, but Wallace has the track record. I would like to think you could do that for under 13 million, but at this time and place?

 

I would think that the coach talks to the GM in terms of skillset, just something like, "these are the skillsets that will best maximize the offense and defenses scheme.".