Philbin as a coach of the year candidate.

"His'nBeatYour'n wrote:

The Hernandez issue was a purely off the field issue. The "bullying" scandal called into question everyone within the organization and actually became a bigger national news story as it involved "bullying" and racism which the national media cares about more than homicide, sadly. Unprecedented.

Once the national media focused on it, the sports media bent over backwards to admonish the Dolphins who were left to defend locker room culture all by themselves.

None of this is coach of the year material IMHO, but the fact that the locker room didn't fracture under all the pressure is remarkable.

I think what quelled the issues was the day all the players spoke up and defended themselves. It gave the sports media something tangible to defend, it gave them some of the other side of the story, and began to expose Martin as being a complete hypocrite.

Frankly with the pariah mentality of the media....its really the Wins that quelled it...moved it to a story that they OVERCAME....if LOSSES piled up, the crap would still be piling up.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

Philbin is a serious candidate for the honor and deservedly so.

It gets old coming on here and reading the same group of people *****ing about a WR that has changed the dynamic of this offense, and a coach that has turned a truckload of turmoil, into a team fighting for eachother.

A lot of half assed pathetic "Dolphins fans" around here.

You'd have to basically start screaming and wet yourself to display any more of a total inability to intellectually cope with ideas you don't like at this point.

PS- I'm a way better Dolphins fan than you are.

"Disgustipate wrote:

No, I don't think Philbin deserves to be in that conversation at all. This isn't a particularly well-coached team- Pretty much every aspect of "coaching" has been done pretty poorly at some point or another, and there are some pretty consistent problems year-round that haven't really been mitigated very well.

Giving Philbin credit for handling the Incognito thing is baffling and misguided. The fact that it happened in his roster is a huge black mark, and I don't really understand why people treat it like it was something that was handled well- It wasn't. I don't think realistically there was any chance that the team could implode based on it, and frankly losing to the Buccaneers and then going back to business as usual is closer to the worst-case scenario than it was the best.

I have not been the biggest Philbin supporter and I was upset that Fisher turned the job down and we got stuck with Philbin at the time.

That being stated, if the Dolphins go 10-6 and earn a spot in the playoffs, I definitely feel that he should be a candidate for coach of the year. While they had some losses that were hard to take. They also beat three teams who appear likely to to be in the playoffs this year. The Colts, Patriots, and Bengals. They also defeated the Chargers who would be in the sixth playoffs position right now if they had beat the Dolphins.

As far as the Martin situation is concerned. Right now we don't know exactly what the real story is. It could be that Martin just isn't fit emotionally to play in the NFL and after losing his position at LT, he just decided to leave the team because he wasn't able to handle the stress of being an NFL player. He never was very good and perhaps losing his starting LT position made him realize he was in over his head.
I really don't know what Philbin knew prior to Martin bolting the team and I assume you don't either.

All I can judge a coach on is the record of the team he is coaching. If the Dolphins don't make the playoffs because they lose one of their next two games or both games. Philbin certainly wouldn't deserve to be a candidate for coach of the year. If on the other hand, they finish the season 10-6, I think he would be more deserving for the honors than the vast majority of the coaches in the NFL.

"His'nBeatYour'n wrote:

The Hernandez issue was a purely off the field issue. The "bullying" scandal called into question everyone within the organization and actually became a bigger national news story as it involved "bullying" and racism which the national media cares about more than homicide, sadly. Unprecedented.

I don't see how this isn't just as off the field. If involved multiple players, sure.

"His'nBeatYour'n wrote:

Once the national media focused on it, the sports media bent over backwards to admonish the Dolphins who were left to defend locker room culture all by themselves.

None of this is coach of the year material IMHO, but the fact that the locker room didn't fracture under all the pressure is remarkable.

I think what quelled the issues was the day all the players spoke up and defended themselves. It gave the sports media something tangible to defend, it gave them some of the other side of the story, and began to expose Martin as being a complete hypocrite.

It was way less of an "Dolphins vs. the World" thing than that, I think. There was a lot of people whom defended it as business as usual, it was pretty terrible.

"Disgustipate wrote:

What exactly did they have to overcome with the Incognito/Martin situation?

There was no split or factionalism in the locker room. You didn't have active players under any sort of serious scrutiny. There have been no on-going developments which result in this being brought back up into the spotlight. There's no further bombshell, other than the initial one(of which the most direct, obvious effects appear to have resulted in the team ****ting the bed badly vs. the Bucs).

Your saying that fiasco should have had no effect on the coaches ability to prepare ? Knowing that everyone had to take time out their preparations to answer to media, investigators, etc. ? Hmmmm. Ps.... Your not a better fan than any of us... Especially not with this whole anti Philbin agenda. Pretty lowsy actually. Sounding like a Firelander digging for negatives in appositive topic about our coach who really is in the running for COTY !

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

Philbin is a serious candidate for the honor and deservedly so.

It gets old coming on here and reading the same group of people *****ing about a WR that has changed the dynamic of this offense, and a coach that has turned a truckload of turmoil, into a team fighting for eachother.

A lot of half assed pathetic "Dolphins fans" around here.

Hey! I resent that.

This is the first time I've complained about Wallace. And honestly, it is mostly in the context of criticizing Philbin for not "maximizing" his talent.

IMHO, if you're primarily going to use him as a deep ball decoy without the ability to hit the deep ball, you might as well have just kept Clyde Gates, signed Ted Ginn, or Darius Heyward-Bay.

They've utilized him much more creatively lately, but if they were truly maximizing his talent, they'd have been doing this all along.

"Disgustipate wrote:

You'd have to basically start screaming and wet yourself to display any more of a total inability to intellectually cope with ideas you don't like at this point.

PS- I'm a way better Dolphins fan than you are.

Nice deflection. Fact is you can call it what you want, but the few who insist on taking a negative approach then have the arrogance to claim they are just "realists" are the same group that doesn't deserve to enjoy this run.

Your own insecurities have forced you to try and set yourself up for a win-win situation with this team. Part of you is happy when we win, the other part feels vindicated when we don't.

If someone thinks Tannehill is not a franchise QB yet? That's their opinion, if they think Wallace has sucked? That's their opinion. But when it is the same jerkoffs who on a daily basis are negative about a team that has won 3 straight and has a very good chance to exceed everyone's expectations...to me you become a pathetic excuse for a fan.

We all have our gripes about the team in some area or another, but to harp on every negative topic you can get your hands on is a joke. Are YOU one of those guys??? Dunno.

And save it, you can claim to be a better fan than whoever you choose...it's unmeasurable and childish. Frankly something a pessimistic/self proclaimed realist would do. Enjoy subconsciously rooting for the Bills this week. :up:

"His'nBeatYour'n wrote:

Hey! I resent that.

This is the first time I've complained about Wallace. And honestly, it is mostly in the context of criticizing Philbin for not "maximizing" his talent.

IMHO, if you're primarily going to use him as a deep ball decoy without the ability to hit the deep ball, you might as well have just kept Clyde Gates, signed Ted Ginn, or Darius Heyward-Bay.

They've utilized him much more creatively lately, but if they were truly maximizing his talent, they'd have been doing this all along.

While I disagree, I can respect an opinion like that.

Who the hell have the chefs, igles beaten anyway ? Prob not Indy, Cincy, NE, Or any teams of that caliber.

We are not a well coached team and we are spectacularly slow adapting to change. How can he possibly be coach of the year?

"BigDogsHunt wrote:

Frankly with the pariah mentality of the media....its really the Wins that quelled it...moved it to a story that they OVERCAME....if LOSSES piled up, the crap would still be piling up.

I don't know if that's really true.

There was a point at which we all believed new crap was going to leak out every other day. It was a feeding frenzy.

Anyone within the organization who was truly disgruntled could have leaked anything about anyone. Perhaps winning made people within the organization focus on the big football picture.

However I think the stories dried up because the claims of utter disfunction were as unfounded as the "bullying" story was overblown.

"Fame wrote:

We are not a well coached team and we are spectacularly slow adapting to change. How can he possibly be coach of the year?

Please elaborate on how we are not well coached.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I don't see how this isn't just as off the field. If involved multiple players, sure.

It was way less of an "Dolphins vs. the World" thing than that, I think. There was a lot of people whom defended it as business as usual, it was pretty terrible.

I don't know how to explain the difference between the Hernandez murder and the "bullying" scandal if you can't already see it yourself. They're not the same and both were unprecedented.

There were those within the sports media who took the opposing view, but few if any defended the Dolphins locker room specifically.

Bottom line for me. Anyone with an axe to grind within the Dolphins organization had a golden opportunity to throw their grievances into the feeding frenzy.
The "bullying" scandal was bull****. But the pressure it created on everyone within the organization from the owner on down to the locker room, would have exposed weak leadership. It didn't. But I still don't think that makes Joe Philbin coach of the year.

"Fame wrote:

We are not a well coached team and we are spectacularly slow adapting to change. How can he possibly be coach of the year?

Results, it's what matters...... If Miami finishes 10-6 he's sure to be considered.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

While I disagree, I can respect an opinion like that.

Respect is mutual. But where do you disagree?

Just curious. (and arrogantly astounded that anyone would question my rock solid arguments)

"Fame wrote:

We are not a well coached team and we are spectacularly slow adapting to change. How can he possibly be coach of the year?

Not true. There's a lot of new pieces to the puzzle this year and they've done a very good job at getting them to gel and produce and our QB has made big improvements and we're firmly in the playoff hunt. Good job.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

Please elaborate on how we are not well coached.

Well it's not discipline, because we we're the least penalized team a week or two ago, and probably still are. I also thought i heard, we have more scores inside 2:00 than anyone else. Also, We've beaten a handful of playoff bound teams. There are reasons people have opinions.... Haters never have anything to back up their claims, they just spew garbage and play it off as truth.

"xphinfanx wrote:

The coach had to deal with it all.

Because of the lack of leadership of Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland. The head coach's job is to run the coaching staff, not to be the public PR face of the franchise. Public crisis management is not his job. It is a disgrace, not a point of pride, that Philbin was basically left to swing in the wind during that time. And it certainly isn't a credit to Philbin, who simply had his NFL-mandated press conferences and was asked about nothing but Martin and Incognito.

There is nothing coaching related about what happened there. Nothing.

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Good thing it's a pr award.

Since when? When has "Coach of the Year" meant "best crisis handling irrelevant to on-field results"? Because if we're factoring in on-field results into this, the Dolphins flopped against the winless Bucs under Philbin. The only "of the year" that qualifies for is embarrassment of the year.

"P h i N s A N i T y wrote:

Well it's not discipline, because we we're the least penalized team a week or two ago, and probably still are. I also thought i heard, we have more scores inside 2:00 than anyone else. Also, We've beaten a handful of playoff bound teams. There are reasons people have opinions.... Haters never have anything to back up their claims, they just spew garbage and play it off as truth.

We are now second...I recant my statement. Philbin is terrible.

"Desides wrote:

Because of the lack of leadership of Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland. The head coach's job is to run the coaching staff, not to be the public PR face of the franchise. Public crisis management is not his job. It is a disgrace, not a point of pride, that Philbin was basically left to swing in the wind during that time. And it certainly isn't a credit to Philbin, who simply had his NFL-mandated press conferences and was asked about nothing but Martin and Incognito.

There is nothing coaching related about what happened there. Nothing.

A large part of being a head coach is internally dealing with these PR nightmares. Philbin has kept the team focused and they seem to have united through the fire.

That isn't something you see very often IMO.

"Desides wrote:

Because of the lack of leadership of Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland. The head coach's job is to run the coaching staff, not to be the public PR face of the franchise. Public crisis management is not his job. It is a disgrace, not a point of pride, that Philbin was basically left to swing in the wind during that time. And it certainly isn't a credit to Philbin, who simply had his NFL-mandated press conferences and was asked about nothing but Martin and Incognito.

There is nothing coaching related about what happened there. Nothing.

Since when? When has "Coach of the Year" meant "best crisis handling irrelevant to on-field results"? Because if we're factoring in on-field results into this, the Dolphins flopped against the winless Bucs under Philbin. The only "of the year" that qualifies for is embarrassment of the year.

Who the hell is the PR face of the franchise if not the head coach? Seriously, how long have you been following football?

"His'nBeatYour'n wrote:

Who the hell is the PR face of the franchise if not the head coach? Seriously, how long have you been following football?

The general manager, but hey. He was hiding behind closed doors and suddenly was out of his office when all of this was going down.

Philbin deserves consideration based on his performance this year.

Sure he has some marks...Tampa Bay, usage of Dion Jordan (gray area imo) and game time decisions always are not perfect.

However, I would say his pros easily outweigh his cons. Stack that up against what his peers bring to the table and I seriously doubt you can make a clear cut case that any other candidate is leaps and bounds better than Philbin.

Harping on his negatives only are signs of someone who has a personal issue against Philbin. That is blatantly obvious here.

"His'nBeatYour'n wrote:

Who the hell is the PR face of the franchise if not the head coach? Seriously, how long have you been following football?

Being the standard bearer of the franchise is the owner's job. The owner is there for the long term. Historically, the head coach is there for a few years and moves on. Just because the NFL mandates that head coaches have a couple of press conferences a week does not mean they are qualified crisis managers or publicists. It means they are forced to do something they hate for 15 minutes after practice and games.

The coach is the most visible public figure on the team. That doesn't mean he's the lead figure. It means his bosses are sitting at their desks saying "Glad it's not me."

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

A large part of being a head coach is internally dealing with these PR nightmares.

Because the people with higher responsibility scatter like cockroaches at the first sign of trouble. Crisis management is not in the job description of a head coach. It has nothing to do with coaching.

I'm really surprised by how casually people are accepting this facet of the NFL as if it were normal.

"Desides wrote:

Since when? When has "Coach of the Year" meant "best crisis handling irrelevant to on-field results"? Because if we're factoring in on-field results into this, the Dolphins flopped against the winless Bucs under Philbin. The only "of the year" that qualifies for is embarrassment of the year.

I actually don't disagree with you, but thats how this award goes. Its not about who is the best coach in the nfl. As i mentioned, that's belicheck. Or whose team is playing the most dominant, cause that's pete carroll. Neither of them are being discussed for the award, however.

All you hear is Andy Reid. His chiefs probably won't even win their division, but he (and Alex Smith, the man most likely to receive comeback player of the year. another pr award) is a feel good story and thus he'll win it.

It's a stupid award anyway and kind of a kiss of death IMO. Lots of "COY's" seem to be fired not long after winning it.