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Philbin as a coach of the year candidate.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by His'nBeatYour'n, Dec 18, 2013.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Not true. There's a lot of new pieces to the puzzle this year and they've done a very good job at getting them to gel and produce and our QB has made big improvements and we're firmly in the playoff hunt. Good job.
     
  2. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    Well it's not discipline, because we we're the least penalized team a week or two ago, and probably still are. I also thought i heard, we have more scores inside 2:00 than anyone else. Also, We've beaten a handful of playoff bound teams. There are reasons people have opinions.... Haters never have anything to back up their claims, they just spew garbage and play it off as truth.
     
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  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Because of the lack of leadership of Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland. The head coach's job is to run the coaching staff, not to be the public PR face of the franchise. Public crisis management is not his job. It is a disgrace, not a point of pride, that Philbin was basically left to swing in the wind during that time. And it certainly isn't a credit to Philbin, who simply had his NFL-mandated press conferences and was asked about nothing but Martin and Incognito.

    There is nothing coaching related about what happened there. Nothing.

    Since when? When has "Coach of the Year" meant "best crisis handling irrelevant to on-field results"? Because if we're factoring in on-field results into this, the Dolphins flopped against the winless Bucs under Philbin. The only "of the year" that qualifies for is embarrassment of the year.
     
  4. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    We are now second...I recant my statement. Philbin is terrible.
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    A large part of being a head coach is internally dealing with these PR nightmares. Philbin has kept the team focused and they seem to have united through the fire.

    That isn't something you see very often IMO.
     
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  6. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Who the hell is the PR face of the franchise if not the head coach? Seriously, how long have you been following football?
     
  7. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The general manager, but hey. He was hiding behind closed doors and suddenly was out of his office when all of this was going down.
     
  8. Superself

    Superself Season Ticket Holder

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    Philbin deserves consideration based on his performance this year.

    Sure he has some marks...Tampa Bay, usage of Dion Jordan (gray area imo) and game time decisions always are not perfect.

    However, I would say his pros easily outweigh his cons. Stack that up against what his peers bring to the table and I seriously doubt you can make a clear cut case that any other candidate is leaps and bounds better than Philbin.

    Harping on his negatives only are signs of someone who has a personal issue against Philbin. That is blatantly obvious here.
     
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Being the standard bearer of the franchise is the owner's job. The owner is there for the long term. Historically, the head coach is there for a few years and moves on. Just because the NFL mandates that head coaches have a couple of press conferences a week does not mean they are qualified crisis managers or publicists. It means they are forced to do something they hate for 15 minutes after practice and games.

    The coach is the most visible public figure on the team. That doesn't mean he's the lead figure. It means his bosses are sitting at their desks saying "Glad it's not me."

    Because the people with higher responsibility scatter like cockroaches at the first sign of trouble. Crisis management is not in the job description of a head coach. It has nothing to do with coaching.

    I'm really surprised by how casually people are accepting this facet of the NFL as if it were normal.
     
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  10. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    I actually don't disagree with you, but thats how this award goes. Its not about who is the best coach in the nfl. As i mentioned, that's belicheck. Or whose team is playing the most dominant, cause that's pete carroll. Neither of them are being discussed for the award, however.

    All you hear is Andy Reid. His chiefs probably won't even win their division, but he (and Alex Smith, the man most likely to receive comeback player of the year. another pr award) is a feel good story and thus he'll win it.

    It's a stupid award anyway and kind of a kiss of death IMO. Lots of "COY's" seem to be fired not long after winning it.
     
  11. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I've been hoping we would could get back to the days when the coach is the face of the team. That's how it was when Shula was winning championships even though Beathard was the GM. Your GM tends to be the face only when you're involved in that yearly QB search or consistently picking high in the draft. I only want to hear from the GM in the off-season. Before that hospital incident I don't think I'd heard Ozzie Newsome's name since before the season. I think that's the preferred model. I also don't want the owner chiming in Jerry Jones style. I want the coach to be the one that handles any crisis that occurs on the field or in the locker room. I don't see that as falling outside his job description. In fact, I don't think there's anyone better positioned to handle any such controversy.
     
  12. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    "You're absolutely right.
    He is the PR face of the franchise."

    Would have sufficed.
     
  13. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Since when?

    The only team for whom the PR (Public relations) face of the franchise is NOT the head coach is the Dallas Cowboys.
     
  14. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    lol
     
  15. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Literally it's a PR award for just results... and nothing else. if we won out and he isn't considered, or people can call themselves fans of this team and THINK he shouldn't be considered is just a borderline disgrace.

    People are stretching the term "well coached" and reaching really hard with their definitions and requirements.

    At the end of the day, you don't know who does what and how they do it. It's behind closed doors. If the results are there then THAT is all that matters.

    The players believe in the coach and the system, and that has more weight than what anyone else outside of that locker room thinks
     
  16. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    OK, but that's like your opinion.
     
  17. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I also love how people are using the bucs / bills game as sole reasons why he shouldn't be considered. That is probably the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. No one is going to judge an entire season based on a mid season NON CONFERENCE game. Okay we came out flat against tampa. Oh well. We also got screwed over against the bills and shot ourselves in the foot. it happens.

    Gunna say reid deserves it more? Team goes 9-0, then comes out flat after a bye week and loses 3 straight....including a game where they let San Diego put up 41 POINTS on them.

    Okay they had a hot start, but by the logic here, regardless of what happens to KC, he shouldn't be a coach of the year candidate because they were unprepared for a game or 2 after their bye week, right?

    Lose a game? it's the coaches fault for being unprepared.
    Possibly go 10-6 and clinch playoffs for the first time in 100 years? Nope, not the coaches doing.
     
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  18. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Lol. so the COTY award isn't based on results. that's why they give it out mid season, right? or maybe 2 games into the season?

    No. they don't.
     
  19. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Of course it's based on the results, and of course they wait until the season is over because it is obviously premature to give the award preseason. But what goes into determining that is really up to each voter, and to you the most important thing is the result. That is not necessarily the case with every voter. If that was the case then the award should automatically go the the coach with most wins in a season.
     
  20. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    That doesn't sound too farfetched from reality, sadly.

    If you think people are going to vote for "coach of the year" and the majority of those people are going to vote based on "how well they think this person may or may not have coached the team" then you are living in a fantasy world.

    Results are eveything, period. Especially when it comes to a PR award like that.
     
  21. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm deflecting something? I've given pretty clear reasons for whatever negativity I have. Like every other topic with some degree of nuance or depth, you reserve the right to have an opinion regardless of how well you've thought it out or can defend it.

    Do you have anything substantial to say on how the Dolphins issues with the offensive line are actually well mitigated? Or play-calling has been good? Or that there's been an actual meaningful shift in the play of the team, rather than lucky bounces in the same dumb situations they've gotten themselves all year? I very much doubt it.
     
  22. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Results carry a lot of weight. But who's to say that Pete Carroll will beat out Andy Reid for COY this year? Results do not carry all the weight.
     
  23. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    He might? It's usually pretty easy to guess who it's going to be when it's about that time. Last year was Arians..... and then the year before was SF Harbaugh I think? Wow... so hard to predict.... So by that logic the early obvious lead would be Reid. but irregardless, to try and argue that Philbin shouldn't even be CONSIDERED for the award (Assuming we go 10-6) is just absurd, and frankly, seems based off of an agenda.

    Results do not carry all of the weight.

    Votes BASED on the results and story do.

    The phins are a possible Cinderella team this year.
     
  24. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    You're delusional if you don't think Philbin had a huge **** storm to deal with when the Martin/Incognito thing went down. To the avalanche of national scrutiny and embarrassment, and you had everyone attacking the characters of the coaches and players in the locker room saying they were a collective bunch of terrible people.

    It would have been easy for the locker room to crumble after that, but it didn't, because Joe Philbin took charge and kept everyone together and got everyone to play for one another. They become a close knit group.

    I don't know if he'll win the award, but he surely deserves to be in the discussion.
     
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  25. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I'd be pretty psyched if the coach of my favorite team were considered for coach of the year awards...but, hey I'm just a fan what do I know?

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
     
  26. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Media coverage has changed over the years, and even then, Don Shula was still the head of the football operations. Bobby Beathard and George Young worked for him, not the other way around. The relationship between Shula and his GM's is no different than the current relationship between Andy Reid and John Dorsey in KC, Pete Carroll and John Schnieder in Seattle, and Bill Belichick and Nick Caserio in New England.

    In today's NFL, unless your head coach is also the central figure in your football operations, your GM needs to be a public figure.
     
  27. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Personally I don't think Joe Philbin deserves it. I think he should be commended on the way he kept players focused this year. However, his actual coaching has left more to be desired.

    I will say that I think he's gotten a much better feel for his team as the season has progressed. He's been better too.
     
  28. pocoloco

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    8-6 with a ragtag offensive line, zero running game and a young QB PLUS oodles of distractions

    I am impressed with Philbin
     
  29. roy_miami

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    Ireland. Get him a couple of more decent o-linemen and this team is 11-3 right now.
     
  30. Sethdaddy8

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    Coach Philbin has done an amazing job keeping us focused on football through the Miko Grimes debacle.
     
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  31. Cass

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    Agree with others in that I think he's done a good job, but barring a super bowl win, I can't see past Reid at Kansas. 2 & 14 to this season is somewhat impressive.
     
  32. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do a better job with your blocking scheme and you're in the same position. This isn't a historically bad offensive line without the hard work and the dedication of the offensive staff.
     
  33. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Hey...the fact his name being mentioned is a great thing. Why would anyone not support...any kind of good publicity for our franchise?

    Sometimes I think....people are more interested in being able to say..."I told you they would suck" then just he glad we are where we are at this point in the season.

    Who cares who called what...or said what. Cuz...you know ...December relevant football happens so frequently around here....sheesh
     
  34. Desides

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    It would have sufficed, except that's not my position. Put words into someone else's mouth, please.
     
  35. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Bullspit! This is a bad offensive line period, and changing up the blocking scheme is not going to allow these guys to win one on one situations consistently. John Jerry is consistently beaten off the snap. No change in blocking scheme is going to help him improve that. Tyson Clabo was consistently getting beat inside early on, and he would over compensate and get beat outside as well. Changing the scheme was not going to help him. Jonathan Martin was getting beat physically. He cannot anchor against a bull rush for anything. Changing the scheme isn't going to make him a better anchor on the left side.
     
  36. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're listing September causes for symptoms that are still occurring now, besides over-exaggerating the issues John Jerry has in pass protection.

    Block your ****ing plays. If you've got issues with 1v1 match-ups, find a way to compensate or mitigate, rather than repeatedly and obviously put those players in those kind of situations, don't advertise that you've put them on an island like Miami does constantly. You can point to any number of situations where teams have pass blocking tight ends whom come in just to block their damned plays(The Patriots most notably).
     
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  37. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    But MY words are the only ones that make sense coming out of your mouth.

    The coach IS the PR face of every franchise but 1. (Dallas)

    You danced around it, but it is still the truth. Admit you were wrong, made the wrong point, whatever. But don't insist the earth is flat. Or take it personal when someone calls you out for being wrong.
     
  38. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    If they win out and make the playoffs, he should be considered IMO.
     
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  39. djphinfan

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    Do you feel that the players have been making more plays individually than scheme is dictating?

    Are we winning because of individual battles? and is our scheme not getting our guys into position to make easy plays?
     
  40. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think you can give universals, because I think some aspects of this team are well-coached and managed. The blocking scheme sure as **** isn't one of those aspects.

    They keep sticking to their scheme rather than adjusting to the problems they've encountered. If your linemen are getting their asses kicked in 1v1 match-ups, get them some ****ing help on particularly troubling match-ups. If you can't run an outside zone(and you know that this might be an issue because it was the season before) don't make it the center piece of your run game. If your offensive line is giving up a lot of sacks, maybe run a more balanced offense?
     

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