Gotta win out to get in.. Ravens keep getting love from the referees..

 

I still find him to be less than inspiring. That was a good, hard fought football game but given that last play we were as lucky as f*** to win it. Something about that speech just didn't resonate with me. Even if he joked about the last play or something like that it would have felt more authentic to me, that was typical spam coach speak.

ps Is it me or are the Dolphins defenders kind of lollygagging on that last play? Look at #52 Philip Wheeler here at aruond 1:25

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...ing-miracle-steelers-231053318--nfl.html?vp=1

I don't care what anyone says- one inch out of bounds, barely a forward lateral from Big Ben if you look at it closely, that was almost a disaster/embarrassment for the ages.

 

I find it bizarre, that a screw-up that didn't happen nearly carries the same weight as if the screw up did happen. If we judge all games by the concept "we could have lost" then virtually no win means anything.

Also, post game locker room speeches are the least important thing a coach does. Much of it is edited out by the way, so you have no idea what's actually happening in there. Last year, Philbin would dance a jig after a win just for the players.

 

You can say the Steelers were lucky as well. How often do those plays go more than ten yards without a fumble. I don't think it was lollygagging so much as not overpursuing. The bigger issue IMO was tackling, because we had several shots yo stuff Brown.

 

He did joke about the last play. Pretty funny too, and fits in with the descriptions of a dry sense of humour he is said to have.

Armando Salguero ‏@ArmandoSalguero16h
What was Joe Philbin thinking when the game's final play was going on? "Please step out of bounds," Philbin said.

 

There's not much helping you if you think that this near disaster carries as much weight as if it really happened. This wasn't a missed last minute field goal we're talking about, this was nearly an epic blunder. Big difference there.

And as to Philbin, whether he gives a vanilla speech, dances a jig or even if he popped to the whole soundtrack of Breaking 2: Electric Boogaloo or whatever it's called, he lacks charisma imo, I find him to be less than inspiring.

 

Well the important thing is that it's your opinion and the players don't share it. From all evidence we have they have bought into Philbin and his program. Maybe not Sherman. But Philbin. And Fin is right. They are heavily edited down to the last minute or two.

 

I didn't hear the joke about the last play. That being said, I've noticed his dry sense of humor and it's not bad. For me, he's not just charismatic and not what I'd ideally want as a head coach, I see him more as an offensive coordinator type guy, not the head man. That doesn't mean that he isn't a decent coach, but I see him more as an energy drainer type, not an inspire and rally the troops kind of guy. The bottom line for me is that he leaves me cold when I see him on TV and strikes me in lacking in the personality and charisma that I think a NFL head coach should have.

 

Of course it's just my opinion. I see him enough on TV down here and he's just draining to me, very little charisma. If the players find him to be more charismatic, great.

 

Not sure what you're talking about. We did everything we could do, on an illegal play, and we actually stopped it to win the game. You're acting as if we lost or deserved to. I'm not sure where this fantasy world is that for a team to deserve the win it needs to be by multiple scores with no missed opportunities. In the real world games aren't played like that.

And yet the team is playing hard and winning.....again, you don't know what was cut out of those speeches, but by all means continue to pass judgement based on partial info.

 

It was barely a forward lateral. Brown's foot was barely out of bounds. The Dolphins defenders didn't appear to me to be going all out on the last play, and they damn near took it up the keester on that one. It was nearly a disaster for the NFL ages. I somehow don't think that you're capable of grasping these concepts so let's just agree to disagree, there are too many better things to do on a Monday than have an insipid conversation with you.

 

Yawn. Keep crying about a lost that DIDN'T happen, by all means.

Some people on this site, are just hell bent on ****ting on everything. But, yeah, I'm the insipid one......

 

Thank you for reminding me why almost every conversation with you is a waste of time. No one is crying just acknowledging that we were very close to an unnecessary and highly embarrassing disaster. Try to be a little less obtuse, and don't feel the need to waste more of my time by responding with your drivel.

 

Look, you're taking an illegal oplay by the other team that didn't work and treating it as if it did and we should be ashamed that it almost worked. It is ridiculous on your part. Absolutely ridiculous.

We played a GREAT game yesterday....and won, but you wouldn't know that listening to your drivel.

 

Anyone with a working brain knows that the play was a near disaster for the Dolphins, not only in losing a heartbreaker of a game but the playoff implications as well. I don't have enough confidence in your mental capacity to continue this conversation, you don't seem to have an ability to think beyond the obvious and realize how close we came to losing that game in a disatrous fashion. "Dolphins win game, last play not bad. Yay!" Seriously, take it elsewhere. Conversations with you are a straight up waste of time.

 

You're right, we suck. We should have lost, that's all there is to it.

I mean we'd be a much better team if we had just stopped that illegal play....oh wait.....

 

Ignore button activated. Good riddance.

 

Its about time. And ftr, it was you, not me, who started being douchey....once again.

 

Usually in the past, it seems like we lose games like this. It's nice to have it go the other way for a change.

 

Will the league make any comment about that lateral or will they move on? I think jim1 was trying to say how close we came to losing that game and what a disaster that would have been.We played so hard and tough yesterday, would have been an epic fail if Brown did not step out of bounds.Even though I thought that lateral was forward, Find it hard to imagine over turning that TD in Pittsburgh if Brown stayed in. Been a fan for 40 yrs, would have been the toughest loss i have seen.

 

53 guys contributed. Philbin seems to like being there.

 

He's all business, that's for sure.

 

Sounds like what some guys want is a Bill Walsh strategizing game plans, a Bill Cowher giving the game opening pep talk in the locker room, a Mike Ditka on the sidelines, a Pete Carroll's relationship with the players, and a Bill Parcells with the press. Viola, Charisma!!!

Joe Philbin just needs to be true to himself and the team and coach the best he knows how. The players know when a coach is real, and they'll respond to that... whatever the personality.

 

Amongst all the sad vitriol going on in this thread, did anybody notice WE WON THE GAME? Amongst all the criticism of Philbin (let me preface this saying I am not one of his greatest fans), has anybody noticed we are 4-1 the last five games? And 4-2 since losing two of our starters on an already horrific OL?

I don't care if Philbin is Caspar Milktoast, if he hold this team together through all the on and off field distractions to get us into the playoffs or even just a 9-7 record, it seems obvious that he has the players support and backing. They are playing hard for Philbin, and that speaks tons more to me than his post game speeches do.

 

Well that wouldn't have been the first time we've been bent over and f*****. I've never seen a false start or illegal motion called on a review before.

I'll agree it looked bad that we let it get that far, but at the end of the day we beat the steelers - that's all that matters. It's a win. They had to pull a desparation never try in regulation type play so they were beat already. Then it fell short. So we beat 'em again. We win.

 

You really don't have a whole lot to base that opinion off of. I suspect that you and others who think he lacks charisma do so because he looks like someone you expect to lack charisma. It's not like any of you spend any time with him or know him personally.

 

You don't know what goes on behind close doors, is Belichik a charismatic leader, not based on what you see in front of the press,
I always thought Parcells was an ahole, you don't need charisma to be a great coach did you ever watch Shula's press conferences, what you need is a great QB and Philbin is got one.

 

All that matters is if you'd hire him to speak at your own event. Can he hold a crowd's attention?

Not enough tap dancing, imo. A cane and boater hat would help as well.

 

I really like what fin runner said, I think if someone stays true to their process, they don't have to be all charismatic, their steadiness and work ethic will win them eventually over..

 

I get the feeling he's just an older guy, almost playing the "papa smurf" kinda role. His steadiness is what commands the respect. When the phins win something big, i'm sure he'll get the gatorade bath like any other coach.

Agree with what others have said - you have to be true to yourself, many different leadership styles. When he says "I'm proud of the men in this room" that's his "ra ra" type moment.

 

those speeches are staged for the public and some people are not natural speakers, notice he has notes to refer to I'm sure so he hits all the points he wants to make. don't care about the dog an pony show, what happens behind closed doors is much more important and based on the play of the team recently I'd say he has their attention.

as for the final play, good teams seem to get those plays to go their way. in the recent past we would have lost that game in a heart breaker fashion. not saying we are there but I think this team is starting to turn the corner.

 

I would also say all the RahRah speech stuff means nothing of the players don't believe in your plan/scheme/vision.

Philbin isn't rahrah but it doesn't mean the players don't get behind his vision.

 

Have you ever seen a Belichick post game speech? He's not exactly a rah-rah type of guy either, but as we've all seen, the charismatic fist-pumping head coaches don't last very long in the NFL. I'll take strong content over charismatic delivery any day from my coach. I think what you are looking for from Philbin is entertainment, while the players are looking to Philbin for coaching.

 

Can I get your thoughts in what the poster unifiedtheory said about Philbin??

He's saying that this team is winning in spite of its coach.?

The angle here I think he's taking is the team was so disrespected nationally, all of their character being defamed, that inside that locker room is where the chemistry and unity is coming from...

Dpate thinks that the team because of how it's lost leads amongst some other things is poorly coached ?

Your thoughts?

 

just another question: if the players were winning in spite of the coaching staff would they buy in enough to execute the game plan or plays themselves? my guess is not. I think the one that should have destroyed this team may have actually solidified them instead. Philbin showed the players he had their backs and I think that removed any doubt from the players. addition by subtraction sometimes equates.

 

I don't know about other folks, but I kind of felt him at the beginning of that speech. Same ole, same ole, but I felt it moreso than other speeches.