Believe me I'm a little torn as well. I'm on record stating I would not be surprised at all if Matt Moore took his turn at quarterback and suddenly the offense clicked. That's the nature of this offense. It's going to fit some guys and not fit other ones, IMO...and it can be surprising (on paper) which guys don't fit and which guys do. That's what you saw last year with Philly. On paper Vick fit the offense like a glove and Nick Foles was a leftover from a previous regime, a guy who made no sense for this offense. But when they played the preseason games I watched the tapes and was floored by how the offense just didn't seem like it was clicking with Mike Vick but when Nick Foles took over I thought I was watching Oregon all over again except for a few adjustments. I tweeted about how Foles somehow captured the "spirit" of the offense (that's how I put it at the time). It was surprising to me. You'd have never guessed, on paper. Some other offenses seem prone toward this as well. Andy Dalton wasn't all that well regarded by many in the draft but he was perfect for Jay Gruden's offense. Jay Gruden gets to Washington and RG3 is not running his offense well even though he's ostensibly supposed to be a future all star and has ability oozing through his pores. Kick Cousins comes in and the offense takes off. Same could easily be happening in Miami with Tannehill and Moore. I just think you don't create a controversy. You can bench a guy. But when you do that, nobody knows about it until you announce it. Until that minute, as far as the players, press, every other coach is concerned, this guy is our quarterback and we're not even considering the idea of him not being our quarterback. One minute later you can release your press statement saying he's been benched. I don't care if people make you out to be a liar or whatever for that. It's how you handle it. Then once you let the genie out of the bottle and you go to the next guy, you don't waffle. You don't suddenly put Tannehill back in because Moore didn't do well in the Raiders game. Moore is now your guy. That decision has been made, and you're not changing your mind about it ever. Until you do, and that's when you go to Pat Devl- oops.
Of course..hell Im discouraged..not saying that at all..just saying you cant write him off till you see his entire body of work
Starting MM against the Raiders in London pretty much would seal Philbin's firing imo. As I said he isn't the answer , won;t be the answer so only question is if he lasts the year imo.
I don't think anyone feels Moore is anything but a quality backup in the NFL. He certainly isn't the long term answer at the QB position for the Dolphins. That being stated, Tannehill certainly hasn't shown that he deserves to be a starting QB in the NFL, based on how he has played this season and in the last two games last season. Perhaps when all is said and done, Tannehill will show that he is nothing but a backup type QB. Philbin and the coaches all realize that they are on the hot seat and they have to turn this season around quickly or they will all be looking for new jobs in a few months. Philbin owes nothing to Tannehill, but he owes it to the team to play the QB which gives this team the best chance to win. If the coaching staff feels this QB is Tannehill, he will remain the starter. If they think it is Moore, he should be the starter. Whichever QB they select, it is their jobs on the line, not ours, and they have every right to start whomever they feel gives them the best chance to win.
Regardless of what he says or doesn't say the fans and media will criticize the team when it loses games. Pretending that there was an answer that would've deaded the issue is naive. The only way to dead it is to win.
I disagree...you tell them Ryan Tannehill is your starting Qb. You say nothing different until your ready to make a change.
Matt Moore is a career backup people. A good one, true enough, but a backup nonetheless. Even if he could turn out to be better than Tannehill for this offense, starting him and benching Tannehill would most likely mean throwing the towel on Tannehill as a Dolphins franchise QB, effectively rendering a top 8 pick 3 years ago as wasted. On top of that, you'd be handicapping the team's immediate and intermediate future, because even if Moore helps win a reasonable amount of games (questionable considering the coaching, and general mediocrity permeating this team) I don't think he's ever going to take this team to any significant place. He's just not that good. And this is the best case scenario. Worse case scenario Moore wins more, but not enough to even make the playoffs, effectively sticking the team back into the twilight zone of mid to late round picks where mediocrity perpetually lives. Just have to hitch the wagon to Tannehill for the rest of the year and deal with results one way or the other. Benching your franchise hope (I know it looks bleak so far) and handing the rains of the team to a 30 year old career backup just doesn't inspire hope and excitement for this team. It just doesn't.
To be fair Philbin should also say we'll use whatever coach we think will give us the best opportunity to win and announce who will be the HC for the Raiders game by Friday . He's been at least as inefficient as RT .
Philbin is in over his head. Make a decision or don't, you cant waffle about with this. You've brought it up jackass and now you'll be asked about all week leading up to the game. Great way to add something else for the players to have to answer and wonder about. Changing QB's affects the whole team as it does cause dissention and fracturing of the locker room. Philbin has opened a can of worms I don't think he is fully capable of handling and he will likely parlay this into destroying the team. What happens if Moore comes in and plays no better than Ryan over the next 3 games; what then? You're ****ed is what then, your team wont believe in you (if anyone even does at this point) and they wont believe in either QB. God help us. We thought bullygate was bad, we're gonna see bad here in the 2-3 weeks - mark my words. A whole new **** storm is brewing. FML.
Along that path.....who's taking most of the snaps with the 1's? the more you give to Moore to aide in your statement to the press, the more you take away from Tannehill prepping properly for the game. Its was a stupid statement from an outmatched occupant of our HC position.
Maybe Ross wants Dan Marino's influence, opinion, and input on this decision. I sure as hell wouldn't want Joe Philbin to make a major decision like this if I was the owner.
Im just jaded because when we had a change to get the QB (Andrew Luck) management should have insisted that we play some 3rd stringers to see what we had and given us the opportunity to pick him. We wouldn't be wondering if we had a solution at QB 3 years later. Im so sick of non passionate Qb's and coaches who show no fire. From my perspective everyone on the team should be flipping pissed off after a loss. When as I fan I feel like im more invested than any of the players or coaches it's sickening.
I'd have no problem starting Moore. It's the only chance we have of scoring enough to be a decent team. Tannehill isn't good enough to lead this offense to more than 17 points unless the D gets some turnovers. Tannehill led us to 3 points at home vs the Chiefs. The defense/special teams scored 12 points. Last 5 games our offense has been abysmal. Time to see tannehill for what he is. Moore gives us a better chance to actually score. Fans making excused for him is Chad Hennesque.
Start him one more game. If it's another bad performance, bench him and prepare Matt Moore during the bye week.
My only reasoning against starting Moore is that he will get more wins than Tannehill, thus hurting our chances to get a good QB in the draft, just like how we missed out on Andrew Luck.
So sick of hearing people say Wilson is the best QB in that class. Watch him play. Watch the offense he runs.
He runs a pretty vanilla offense. His offensive line is average at best. His receivers are average. What exactly are you attributing his success to? Who do you think is the best QB in that class?
You realize how rare the Russel Wilson pick is? Last decade he's about the only non-first round QB to be that good. You're about 100 times more likely to end up with a Matt Schaub or Chad Henne than a Russel Wilson.
With the foolish acts he has been involved with at FSU, he will likely drop in the draft. Assuming he decides to enter the draft, I think he will still be there when the Dolphins have their pick in the first round. I think the Dolphins will likely have a top ten pick and that should be high enough to get Winston. I have my concerns regarding Winston's maturity, but I don't have any concerns that he is much better QB than Tannehill. If the Dolphins can hire a quality HC, who can come in and get the best out of the players on this team, I think drafting Winston would be worth the risk. He might be a wildcard to many NFL teams, but the Dolphins need a quality QB of the future and he just might be the best QB in the 2015 draft. To me, Winston has far more upside than Tannehill and the Dolphins spend the 8th pick of the draft in 2012 on Tannehill.
Which makes it nauseating to know we chose Culpepper over Brees.. We were this close to having another Hall of Fame Qb on our team
The success rate in the first round vs all other rounds combined is very significant. Betting on finding a Russel Wilson in later rounds is not the way to approach this.
Winston could very well be available when we pick. The thing is, that the reason he will be available when we pick, is the very reason I don't want to have to cheer for him.
I think people are afraid of seeing Moore come in and succeed and being wrong about Tannehill. Guys, we wouldn't be the first team to ever draft a bust quarterback in the first round. Nothing to be afraid of, we'll just draft another.
I love how people act like they know Matt Moore will win more games than Tannehill. Maybe he does, but he has the potential to do worse. Matt Moore has had his chances to start and NEVER took that and made it impossible to replace him. When he competed with Tannehill for the job, Tannehill clearly beat him. or at least was as good as him with seemingly more potential. To act like Moore is teh better qb and its a no brainer we win more games with him, remember he barely won mre games than Henne. This is a dysfunctional team. no adjustments by the defense, cant stop anyone from dinking and dunking and hitting the seams. wr moan playing time then drop balls when we need them the most. Abandoning the run when we need to feed it cause its working. As a team we are horrible, because our coaches suck Coyle stubbornly sticks to his gameplan working or not as if he can will it to work. He cant be wrong so why adjust? Philbin seems clueless. Lazor I give some leeway to as he is a young coordinator. refusing to try McCain at OLB when its seemingly his position of strength is just stubborn, forcing everyone to conform to them rather than designing a fit based on the talent they have. Its easy to blame the qb, he is the scapegoat. Not that I think he is playing great, but he is one man and special teams has broken down, Buf and KC made our defense look like a pee wee team. but we blame the qb cause its easy
Tannehill will start. If you need a link try www.rickyneverinhaled'sgutinstinct.com This is just a ploy to light a fire under Ryan Tannehill.
Not afraid at all. It's not about Moore, it's about Tannehill. I want to give him more time in the offense. I think benching him after 3 games would be insane, unless there is stuff going on behind the scenes that I don't know about. After 8 games, let's see where we stand. If he's continuing to look bad and can't put anything together, that's when you think about the switch.
Joe Philbin may as well take a Midol and head home for the day...punk-***. Can't stand him...gave him major benefit of the doubt going into the season, but I really just can't stand him now. I've not felt that way about a coach since CC. He left his nuts (if he ever had any) in Green Bay...coward.
Ian Rapoport said on NFL network that this is not a motivational tactic and the coaches are strongly considering benching Tannehill for Moore.
this whole offense needs a fire under their ***. no receiver but wallace has done anything, our tight ends are non existent and nowhere to be found, the running game has been good but is usually abandoned for whatever reason. the pass protection of the interior of the line has been awful.
