Philbin wants Leach deal done by week's end

Yessir, he would be our best FB since who..Paige in the early 90's?

Lou Polite when he was healthy?

As much as Lane is a great story, he clearly has not shown enough.

 

just goes to show you the aggressive, need to win now applied without let-up by the Philbin regime
anything less then the playoffs & afc championship would fall short of expectation
the dolphins are finally in playing to win & win big

believe they will keep Lane around another year to hone his up-side, even with Leach starting at FB

 

This could allow us to comfortably replace Daniel Thomas with a younger player. Leach can do the short yardage thing that Thomas tried to do unsuccessfully. He can also pass block which was Thomas's saving grace here.

 

I really have no clue about this dudes game, never followed or iso'd him..I believe he's pretty one dimensional if I'm just thinking about how he moves?

Is Lamar better suited to run in a single back set or behind a fullback? If I remember he went without at the U..

 

Hes one dimensional but hes an awesome blocker. I once created a full back in Madden and called him Bonecrusher....thats Vonta Leach.

 

Tell em, Joe!

 

He's a FB right?

 

The most disappointed person in all this is Ray Rice that's for sure. It's not a coincidence he had 21 rushing TDs in the 2 years with Leach compared to 12 in the 3 years without.

 

......not to mention Arian Foster with Leach was better than Foster without.

 

i want this guy, hope we pull it off


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This team may not reach those lofty goals, but can still have a successful season and not reach them. Keep in mind that a lot of young guys have to take that leap into being solid or better players in order for us to get that far. Its not like we have a solid team and need one or two roles filled to get there....we have to see all these FAs meld together, we have to see multiple, I said multiple guys coming off injury get back to where they were prior to those injuries, we have to see KEY second year players take a leap from their rookie campaigns, and we have to see at least 3 rookies be able to contribute heavily....that's a lot to ask for from one season...

But, I love the idea of getting Leach. It just might give the rest of our young guys in the RB stable come together as well as give us an inside running presence that we don't have right now...

 

Leach is, IMO, the best blocking FB in the NFL. He's also shown he can catch out of the backfield. I believe he had 21 and 25 catches respectively in 2011 and 2012. As for Miller running with or without a FB; this is only a highlight video, but there's a good mix of plays with a FB and without a FB, so I think he's adept at either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7dxPzUBoi4

 

His experience, in what is a very inexperienced backfield, would be invaluable as well.

 

Leach has only had 24 carries in nine years, if we sign him I don't think he will come in to carry the ball on short yardages situations but to block.

 

Miller's style can adapt, he's got the footwork and patience to run behind someone..

 

I just find it interesting were going after such a traditional skillset, when all the talk by a lot of folks was how much they wanted to be a pass first offense.

 

His TD against Oakland last year comes to mind. Very patient run.

 

playing time clearly was a factor too in his first few years


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Know what's odder? We're probably hearing about it before he said it...........

 

I can't figure out the context for which he said it, was it because he really wants him, or wants it done early so there are no distractions come camp time, and they have enough time precamp to design what their gonna do when camp starts?

 

IMO it seems more like they'd want to know sooner rather than later so they know whether or not they should look at bringing in another player. If they wait too long, they might miss out on someone else.

 

sounds right Ro..Do you think Leach has enough skill in the passing game to not give a tell to the defense?

 

"How quickly they forget me!"

 

I like those numbers Todd put up, and I have no problem with being a balanced offense, if he wants to be here, then he's more interesting to me

 

Well, the Packers did involve John Kuhn quite a bit in a more spread-oriented offense, with a fullback getting a fair amount of work in 1 and 2-back shotgun formations. I think looking at the offense in general though this is shaping up to be more of a 2-wide receiver team with a lot of the spread elements being handled by tight ends.

 

You think leach and Kuhns skillset is similar, and can you expand on your point about the tight ends handling the spread elements of the offense?, I assume you mean lining up Keller and Egnew outside and in the slot ?

 

He put up better numbers than Jorvorskie Lane did in the passing game; but I think that's what you'd use Charles Clay for. I think, in relation to your question about Disgutipate's post, you could flex out Keller, Clay, or Egnew, depending on what matchups you want to get. They've also used Gibson, Matthews, and Binns in the slot in camp (and last season for the latter two).

As for Leach. This is what I'd pay him to do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7I5A05f8T8

I'd pay him to do this only, all day long. Notice who it's against as well.

 

That was nice, I don't think Lane is nearly as fast thru the hole as that..

 

Agreed. Jorvorskie Lane is a nice story, and he had some really good moments last year. The consistency part is what the main issue for me. He wasn't consistent in his blocking week-to-week. He had some fumbling issues in short yardage situations. I think you're always going to have it in the back of your mind that his weight can be, or maybe already is, an issue. Good player, when he's on point. But, if you can upgrade to Vonta Leach, you upgrade to Vonta Leach. Just my $.02.

 

I don't think Leach has the same kind of experience doing what Kuhn has done, but I think he's pretty much just a better player. Kuhn might be a better player with the ball in his hands but that's secondary.

But yeah, that's basically it. I think it's possible we see as much tight end split out as we do 2x1 packages with 3 wide receivers next year.

 

You agree with that philosophy considering the tight end unit we have.?, I could see if the unit was a complete strength of ours but accentuating it, maybe they know somethin we don't.

 

I think the goal is to have a lineup that has 5 potential receivers on any given play (2 WRs, 2 TEs, 1 back or 3WRs and 2 backs or 2WRs, 1 TE, 2 backs or 3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 back, etc.) that is also a strong running threat. IMO Gibson is a pretty good blocker from the WR position and that is part of the reason he's here. I'm sure we'll go empty in the backfield in some instances, but I expect that to be a very small % of the time. In my dreams I picture an O where RT can look at the D and either bludgeon them with the run or hit the quick (or deep) pass on them whenever they over commit to stopping one aspect. And if we're going empty and the D falls back into coverage then RT can run for an easy first down or more. So in essence the backfield is never empty. There's always a run threat. I'd love to create an offense where no matter what the D decides to focus on, they're always wrong b/c RT can decide what to do after the D does and always has the flexibility to pick almost any attack method. The key of course is for RT to make the right decision, but as he gains experience he should get better at that. I think he has the smarts and gym/film rat personality potentially become one of the best field generals in the game. I see no reason to doubt that his ceiling is in the Peyton Manning level in that regard (IMO one of the best field generals of the modern era).

 

I remember watching the Top 100 players. Leach was on that list and the clips of him were sick!! I remember watching and thinking;"Holy s--t!! This guy is awesome. I would love to have him on the Phins.". I couldn't find a good clip from that piece. Don't have a lot of time, but if you get a chance, check it out. How about this lick??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7I5A05f8T8

 

Sorry RoninFin4. Didn't see that you already posted that vid.

 

IMO, what Leach would offer is the flexibility to switch approaches week to week and still have success, for example if you play a team with a strong pass D, but weak run D, you can then play power football in that game and have success.

And I'm of the opinion a Qb needs a personal protector, especially a young Qb.

 

I'll just say it again for fun, I'm just glad we don't have coaches who want to be all slap happy with the pass..

If Dion Sims can turn into a all round player and we don't lose much in the blocking dept compared to Fasano, we can focus on the tight end position in the draft next year..