Philbin..Let him run the show the way he wants.
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djphinfansubscriberOPhttp://www.thefinsiders.com/blog/2013/andy-cohen-what-should-we-expect-from-joe-philbin
It was in the hotel lobby of the Washington D.C. Westin a few weeks ago when Don Shula called me over. We were there to go to The White House with the 1972 Perfect Team, but Shula had something else on his mind.
“I really like this head coach,” Shula whispered to me. “He has so many qualities you are looking for.”
So what do we know about Joe Philbin?
We know that he is highly intelligent and has a creative offensive mind.
We know that he is a stickler for organization and even the most minute of details, giving the word meticulous new meaning.
We know that he has little tolerance for rogue players who don’t buy into the system and don’t represent the organization in a first-class manner off the field as well as on.
We know he doesn’t divulge much to the media, yet he usually calls each questioner by his first name, the first Dolphins coach I can ever remember doing that.
We know that he is a tireless worker, watches countless hours of tape and has surrounded himself with a highly-competent staff that wasn’t brought in to merely say “yes” to the head coach.
We know that he doesn’t discuss injuries, doesn’t have many hobbies and, when he isn’t breathing football, he prefers quiet evenings with his family.
We know that he disdains stupid penalties and is obsessed over turnover margin and red zone efficiency.
We know that in his calculating mind it’s all about the process. I once asked him what it was like to win a Super Bowl as offensive coordinator of the Green Bay Packers. “To be truthful,” he said, “it was the journey more than the end result that I will always remember.”
I heard Solai the other day talk about how the coach brings in guys that are going to behave themselves and work hard and that the locker room is filled with them..it should benteresting if the effects of those kind of strict standards will reap benefits for us as the season goes on...none of our players got into any trouble since his arrival (sans Pouncey), and he got rid of some that had no class, who were not grateful to their craft, and who doesn't understand what it means to be a team player.
I dig it, that's the kind of team I want..I think we will see results from building a team of players who rep the organization well on and off..
I want to see if the team reflects 3 things that he has expressed very much..
Best tackling team..
Fast starting team..
Turnovers..
BumrushsubscriberLove Philbin's attitude. I'm hoping his tenure here exceeds 10 years... This year will be critical though for the franchise and his long term viability as a coach here. If Ireland goes who knows what happens with Philbin.
I will say this - the guy has balls and I don't think he operates to maintain an image.
For a franchise steeped in history of Shula, his no nonsense approach and disdain for malcontents and cancerous players will hopefully restore this team to glory sooner than later.
padre31luxury_boxEh, problem with meticulous in the NFL is it also limits creativity and instincts.
Only with Philbin, we did try a lot of things on special teams last yr, most did not work but he at least let Rizzi be creative.
maynardNew Member"padre31 wrote:
Eh, problem with meticulous in the NFL is it also limits creativity and instincts.
Only with Philbin, we did try a lot of things on special teams last yr, most did not work but he at least let Rizzi be creative.
He's learned. He steps over the litter in the bubble now
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Fin Dforum_veteran"padre31 wrote:
Eh, problem with meticulous in the NFL is it also limits creativity and instincts.
Only with Philbin, we did try a lot of things on special teams last yr, most did not work but he at least let Rizzi be creative.
Meticulous is not the opposite of creativity. Creativity is not the catalyst for winning either.
I like our coach more than any other since Shula. The biggest thing I would like to see improved on is the team getting off to a fast start every game. Its almost like they just woke up and walked on the field sometimes. No fire..... fix that, and we are in good shape.
finwinNew Member"padre31 wrote:
Eh, problem with meticulous in the NFL is it also limits creativity and instincts.
I do believe there has been a lack of creativity with the offense with his tenure. There has been limited opportunity with a rookie QB and limited options so I hope that improves this year. I want to see more than the sideline pass to Hartline, straight ahead run and 20 yard, pass patterns. The formations are rather bland also no bunched up receivers running pic plays at the goal line, no play action, limited screen passes and misdirection. We pass out of shotgun and run from under center. It's been said before, we're amaturisly easy to figure out on offense, though it was players that said that of Sparano, I haven't seen any improvement yet.
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Go Coach Phil! Go phins! :knucks:
PhinFan1968subscriber"Fin D wrote:
Meticulous is not the opposite of creativity. Creativity is not the catalyst for winning either.
Creativity got us to the playoffs in 2008, and died there. I'm more of a believer in sound, disciplined, fundamental play within an established system. That's what he's trying to put on the field every week.
Brian Flores when asked about tanking: “Again, no we’re not (tanking). We’re going to try to win every game. I think that’s disrespectful to even say that.”
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PhinGeneralsubscriber"padre31 wrote:
Eh, problem with meticulous in the NFL is it also limits creativity and instincts.
Only with Philbin, we did try a lot of things on special teams last yr, most did not work but he at least let Rizzi be creative.
Disagree. If anything, being meticulous in these types of adversarial situations can open the doors to being able to use one's creativity effectively.
I'll bet one of the things Shula likes best about Philbin is his meticulousness, which was a hallmark of Shula's coaching also. And while some may see Shula as more of a chiseled-jaw task master, the truth of the matter is that he was often very creative at times. Bill Walsh, often sighted for his creative genius, was also quite meticulous. As was Paul Brown.
Rick 1966forum_veteranCreativity is all good, but in the end you win with talent, which isn't the coach's responsibility alone. This team will win or lose because of the talent that Jeff Ireland brought in, which is a daunting thought.
rafaelforum_veteranIt's pretty obvious that there was quite a bit of corroboration between Ireland and Philbin as to the talent that was brought in. It was even disclosed that Ireland and the coaching staff gave the coaches video of the players that were available and had the coach's opinions on those players before FA started.
"Rick 1966 wrote:
Creativity is all good, but in the end you win with talent, which isn't the coach's responsibility alone. This team will win or lose because of the talent that Jeff Ireland brought in, which is a daunting thought.
Not entirely the truth. Coaching matters. (See SF 49ers pre and post Harbaugh)
Bringing the talent in is only half the puzzle - Utilizing the talent you have in the best way possible is just as important for success. (See Bill Bellichek)
SICKforum_veteranI have never been such a fan of a coach since Shula left. Shula obviously agrees. This guy will succeed here.
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gunn34New Member"ATLFINFAN wrote:
I like our coach more than any other since Shula. The biggest thing I would like to see improved on is the team getting off to a fast start every game. Its almost like they just woke up and walked on the field sometimes. No fire..... fix that, and we are in good shape.
I think a good player who is fired up (ala Ray Lewis) could fix that. Not sure we have a guy like that yet.
Fin Dforum_veteranWe have the coach we've been looking for. We have the QB we've been looking for.
All that is missing is patience from the fanbase.
Wildcard Playoff loss this year.
Contenders next year.
As it is written, so let it be done.
A-Joe-men.
djphinfansubscriber"padre31 wrote:
Eh, problem with meticulous in the NFL is it also limits creativity and instincts.
Only with Philbin, we did try a lot of things on special teams last yr, most did not work but he at least let Rizzi be creative.
Heard a couple of coaches behind the scenes talk about how simplicity is what's best, trying to get too creative they feel is not the way to go..football is football..
Clark Kentforum_veteran"PhinFan1968 wrote:
Creativity got us to the playoffs in 2008, and died there. I'm more of a believer in sound, disciplined, fundamental play within an established system. That's what he's trying to put on the field every week.
Why does it have to be either or? Disciplined, fundamental play, can co exist with creativity. Chip Kelly, for instance.
Fin Dforum_veteran"Clark Kent wrote:
Why does it have to be either or? Disciplined, fundamental play, can co exist with creativity. Chip Kelly, for instance.
I don't think creativity is the right word. I think 'adaptability" is. You have to be creative to adapt...its inherent.
Adaptability, is basically focused creativity, and that's what we need from a coach on the field. Look at Shula. Look at Belichick.
PHINfromAFARNew MemberThe reason discipline and fundamentals are important is that they give you a foundation and a structure.
This allows you to try creative things in the correct way.
You look back at the wildcat and it always felt like a seat of their pants thing, almost as if they were just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what would stick, and it did, for a while. Then it fell.
When you have a solid foundation and a basis for everything you can then start to push the envelope and get results that will last.
Clark Kentforum_veteran"PHINfromAFAR wrote:
The reason discipline and fundamentals are important is that they give you a foundation and a structure.
This allows you to try creative things in the correct way.You look back at the wildcat and it always felt like a seat of their pants thing, almost as if they were just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what would stick, and it did, for a while. Then it fell.
When you have a solid foundation and a basis for everything you can then start to push the envelope and get results that will last.
Only in Miami. Elsewhere, it evolved into the NFL's read option. The Pat White pick was our piss poor attempt to evolve it.
PHINfromAFARNew Member"Clark Kent wrote:
Only in Miami. Elsewhere, it evolved into the NFL's read option. The Pat White pick was our piss poor attempt to evolve it.
My point exactly. We didnt have the proper foundation to keep it up. Didn't really have the proper personel, coaching or or basic skill sets.
CD13subscriber"Serpico Jones wrote:
Not sold on him at all. Still has a lot to prove.
Maybe, but he is the first intelligent coach we have had in awhile, and probably the best coach since Jimmy Johnson...
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