1. He doesn't know it's a pass based on the situation. The Dolphins had timeouts and plenty of time, and in fact 2nd & 18 is USUALLY a draw or screen.

2. If he hardwires himself to take off on "go" because he thinks it's a pass, then he gives up a free 5 yards in a very critical situation if anything he doesn't expect happens.

 

I guess I just don't get, and still haven't read how this doesn't give the defensive line an advantage.

Care to give a quick explanation?

 

Thats exactly the point.

Its literally impossible to know until the ball is snapped.

 

Also, I'm fairly certain they moved to this system because teams were picking up Tannehill's snap count.

 

Well put.

I don't think Tannehill is tipping the plays but I do think he needs to work on his cadence to draw more offsides and/or keep the D from timing him up.

 

It isn't that he snaps it on 2 and either run or pass is the play. Its that Go is a pass and Go Go is a run. On a pass there are up to 5 players the D has to worry about getting the ball. In a run there is only one, they hear Go Go and get after the RB. Last game they did hand off to Clay three? Times, yet it was Go Go, then a pause, then Go and quick hand off. Miami's defense isn't scouting the offense, but I guarantee that if the D scouted a team that called GoGo for every so gle run, the safety would run up and corners and OLBs would bite down. As happened against the bucs.

 

McCoy is an elite DT, Jerry is average. Make sense?

Off topic, I hope Philbin is fining all of the OL who allow sacks and don't have the decency to at least help the QB up. Jerry gets the QB killed and nonchalantly adjusts his pads like nothing happened. Makes me sick.

 

I think of it as one of the myriad details that could be coached and executed BETTER, but which individually might not be looked at as a big deal.

Personally, I don't know how big a deal it is or not. I can see logically why it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I can imagine that. Miami coaches and players have all weighed in on it and suggested that it's not a problem at all. But Miami fans don't trust Miami players or Miami coaches, so that's not something that makes the issue die.

I'd love to see other former coaches break it down, explain the cost-benefit of the way Miami does things (which I feel like I kind of already know, but then again maybe I don't). But our media people (self-included) either don't have the access to ask this (this is the bucket I fall into), or don't have the desire to do it.

And the Miami fans seem to have no desire to accept the word of the Miami coaches or the Miami players...which I think speaks to a real problem.

 

But to make sure he would have to wait until there is a second 'g'.

Honestly on that play, it looked like Jerry thought he would have some outside help.

 

I seem to remember the same type of response to the batted passes last year. As it turns out it was no big deal.

 

Its like the "staring down receivers" silliness. Fans want to think they can pick up more intricacies then they do.

 

From Tanny, quoted from the article:

Seems like a legit answer to me. Why wouldn't the defense say anything if it was that obvious, they're all riding in the same ship. And I love that bit of cockyness at the end, as if their offense is unstoppable in practice.

 

Then can someone please explain why This doesn't help DL? That way I can be on board with you guys and not think this matters?

 

Why would it help the DL? There isn't enough time for them to react. It could see how it could help linebackers.

 

Because they instantly they know run or pass. The DL can play the run or pin their ears back.

 

Instantly?

Think maybe you should try it.

 

They won't know until the play starts.

 

Well as soon as the play starts instantly yes. How would they not know?

 

By the way I played defensive line. Obviously never got something along those lines. But I feel like if the QB said run or pass to snap the ball. I probably would of been a better player. Especially against the run.

 

They know once the ball is snapped. It will take them about half a second to process the information. Thats not an advantage

 

Heres where I think people make something so simple....into something wayyyy more complicated.

Look...we ALL HEAR HIM SAY Go...or GO GO. Dont you think it would be insanely obvious to everyone on the offense...if that was allowing the defense an edge? TANNEHILL GETS SACKED A TON. If there was anyone who would be screaming for them to change the cadence....because it allows the defense to hit him more...DONT YOU THINK...he would change it?

The only reason its an issue...is because our line sucks. Put it this way...why didnt it make a difference in the first half of the Pats game? Or any of the other stretches weve gone where our offense has been working.

 

They would have to train themselves really hard to instantly react to GO or GO-GO, to change what they are going to do during the snap.

 

I played defensive line as well. I don't think it would help. It only helped if they tipped it off before the snap count. Now if it is a two count, yea, it would help.

 

Because, if its really relevant and it really gives the defense that much of an advantage, then using it less than a 100% of the time gives the offense the advantage. Think about it.

 

My problem is not the go-go = run go = pass thing.....its that we don't try to get the defense to jump offsides MORE often. I noticed it a couple times last game, which is nice....but i'd like to see a hard count to get 5 yards.

 

I can see it helping linebackers.....if I hear the "go-go" meaning run, I am down hill fast....if its "go" I know its pass and I can get into coverage and start reading zones quicker. The running game is where itd hurt our offense, since guys can get downhill quicker, which COULD show ONE OF the reasons our run game is crap, among other reasons.

 

Right....

Hey..maybe they actually have found it works to our advantage some how. Think about it....if you are trying to train yourself to react according to Go, and Go Go...

Then...when he said Go..are you instantly going into pass defense...but..Go Go into Run. In this league...there is no way in HELL..you are going to hesitate for a moment...waiting for the second Go. Just that ...slight twitch of a delay...can cause all kinds of wrong. He may say Go..pause a beat and say Go again...
Or say GoGo
So which Go are you goin on? Are you going to wait even a fraction of a second and try and decide, run or pass? You cant

 

And you don't feel like if you were diverting your attention to discerning whether the QB just said "go" or "go go" that you would end up too distracted to read the things with your eyes that you need to be reading from the start of the play?