Poll: Tavon Austin vs Cordarrelle Patterson

I'd be all for Eifert if I knew Egnew was a bust.
I'd be all for Swope if Bailey wasn't in this draft.

I hope Wallace is the tip of the iceberg on that change.

 

I picked Austin for a simple reason. He had the production in college. It might be cliche, however I do believe in taking the bird in the hand instead of going for the two birds in a bush. Austin is productive now and I do think he can be productive next year. Patterson looks like he is going to be a great receiver, he just hasn't shown it yet.

 

Why would you not include Eifert? Bringing him up because of what has been mentioned on this site and from Kuch.

 

I added to my post, sorry that I didn't get it before you replied.

 

I love Matthews and think he has starting WR potential, but he wouldn't stop me from adding a WR who I think has top 10 in the league potential like Bailey. For that matter, Hartline wouldn't stop me either. I'm not building a team for just this season or even next. I believe you have to look at both short and long term. I see a player like Austin, who I believe could be the best slot WR in the league and a player like Bailey who I believe could be a top 10 WR in the league and the #1 guy on my team in a few years and I'm not passing on them to add a zone CB or a G. Those are low impact positions that I can fill with mid to low level FAs and get the same production. I'm going to use my premium resources on impact positions. I don't see that as poor or over allocation.

 

I'm not at all against Austin, and while he isn't my first choice, I can certainly see what you're envisioning about him. I just don't feel the same way about Bailey, I don't see that potential (top 10, not starting, I think he could start and do very well).

 

I'm with you on Bailey. Best WR in the class IMO.

 

That makes no sense to me though.

The only reason the pick number matters anymore is because it increases the size of the pool you can choose from. The best way to use the picks is on players you feel offer the best chance of being great at an impactful position for your team. The 42 pick vs. the 79 pick holds no other special value then increasing the pool by 30+ picks. That is not real value. Its potential. People view picks like currency when they aren't.

 

Because Austin and Bailey would be a reincarnation of Duper (Austin) and Clayton (Bailey). Ok, not a perfect comparison, but they would make an exciting pair.

 

Not entirely true. Why use a 1st rd pick on a guy you can get in the 3rd for example? The Seahawks knew they wanted Russell Wilson above everyone but Bruce Irvin last year, but felt pretty strongly that he wouldn't go in the 2nd round so they waited until the 3rd to get him. Obviously taking him in the 2nd wouldn't have made him any less a player, but it increased their draft value because they were able to use that 2nd rd pick on another player (Bobby Wagner) they were less sure would be available later.

 

It is possible that if Miami drafts Austin, Bess might be in trouble. Where as I don't feel that way with regard to Gibson replacing Bess if signed, I do feel that way a little on Austin. Austin comes in, Bess may be out.

 

Even if they don't draft Austin, I don't think Bess is "safe." It's a possibility that he could be gone after this year anyways.

 

That doesn't really counter what I said though.

If you want to relate this back to the specifics of this draft, then this is really about you thinking Bailey won't go until the 3rd round. That I'm not so sure about.

 

I don't know enough of the internals of every team to say with any amount of certainty that Bailey will/won't be available in the 3rd. It wouldn't surprise me if he went in the 2nd (It'd surprise me if he went in the 1st), but I do think he's solidly in the 3rd round if I were going to put money on it.

 

I do expect him to be gone after this year at minimum. I think it could be this year.

 

That's the thing for me....we're not mostly sure which round.

Because of that, and how strongly I feel about Bailey's potential, I take him 2a. To me, his potential is more valuable than the perceived value between pick 2a and pick 3a.

Now, if we were mostly sure (75% or higher that he'd be taken in the third or lower, then i grab him with 3a. So on and so forth.

 

I think there's a good chance Bailey makes it to 2b and maybe 50/50 that he makes it to 3a.

 

....and why was he at a JC his first 2 years?

 

I'm seriously not going to live through this draft then.

I'll have the squirts the first day. Chest pains in Round 2 and be dead by Round 3.

Sigh.

 

Yes, so that means you have to hope he'll develop. There's a risk he never will. In fact, most don't. And the reason he went to JC the first two years was b/c he was academically ineligible. That adds credence to the intelligence questions that came up after the interviews at the combine.

 

Is Austin big enough for kick returns?

 

So, IYO Ginn was not a bust?

 

No way Patterson busts. Too big, too quick, and too skilled to bust. He can catch slants all day long. 0% chance of bust.

 

There are big, skilled WRs that bust every year.

 

Of course, why wouldn't he be? He's bigger than Brandon Banks and Stefan Logan, etc.

 

No, there aren't. If they bust, they are no good. Patterson is proven 0% chance bust, and measurables confirm it.

 

Neither of them are very good at it?

 

It's hardly guaranteed that he'll be a dynamic return man. There are 5-6 guys in every draft who were dyamic return guys in college who don't succeed in that role in the pros.

 

There are zero prospects in this draft that as a 0% chance bust rate.

 

Aren't both of them pretty good at it?

 

Obviously, you're not a golfer.

 

I disagree. The critical factor is whether they have the drive and intelligence to get "it" at WR. The measurables are there for all those guys and the skills are there for many of them. And saying there's 0% chance he busts is just a ridiculous statement.

 

I know for sure that Banks was removed from KR duty. I think Logan was as well.

 

Patterson can run slants all day long in the NFL. No chance he is a bust. Now some moron coach can think that he is a physical beast and put him to block for fullbacks. Al Davis had Marcus Allen blocking at fullback for 4 years in Oakland. That's a different story.

 

Really? Logan has averaged 25.4 yards per kickoff return for his career, which is pretty solid. Banks has been at 24, which is OK. Trindon Holliday averaged 26.3, which is good, at 5-5, 163 lbs.

Of course, whether these guys are good, great or OK misses the point. Austin is not them. I don't see any kind of decent argument that any of those guys are being held back due to their size.

 

If Patterson isn't smart enough to learn the checks and adjustments he won't even get on the field to block. And there are physical beasts at WR every year that bust. It's not even something that anybody who has followed the NFL for more than a year or two should be questioning.

 

There's no such thing as a 0% chance to bust target, especially at the Wide Receiver position.