Poor Joey and his darn mouth

That was probably the answer he should have kept in check.

"Hero13 wrote:

That was probably the answer he should have kept in check.

Exactly. I get what he's trying to say, but he seems unable to formulate the correct words. Analogies always trip up those who are inadequate at communication skills and expression.

I think its safe to say that Joey probably frequented Vick's dog fights...

Despicable really... Pit Bulls are some of the nicest dogs around if they aren't trained to be vicious killers through torture and intimidation...

"SkapePhin wrote:

I think its safe to say that Joey probably frequented Vick's dog fights...

Despicable really... Pit Bulls are some of the nicest dogs around if they aren't trained to be vicious killers through torture and intimidation...

:yeahthat:

"like2god wrote:

:yeahthat:

x3...It's terrible the rap these dogs get. Great family and hunting dogs, especially hog hunting.:yes:

Reading the whole article made me think that it wasn't as big of a deal as I did originally... Of course schmucks like Mike Florio will quote one sentence and make Joey look like an inconsiderate ass...

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

Reading the whole article made me think that it wasn't as big of a deal as I did originally... Of course schmucks like Mike Florio will quote one sentence and make Joey look like an inconsiderate ass...

I agree. I don't think Joey was dissing pitbulls at all, thus his personal reference of having them. He even flies them if necessary. I think what he meant with the cocker spaniel analogy is that those who judged Vick and prosecuted him have the bias against pitbulls. I don't agree with that, as sentient beings such as pitbulls are equivalent to a cocker spaniel in terms of abuse. This, to me, was not an indictment of pitbulls by Joey, but of the widespread opinion of those who he believes Vick's prosecutors share. Again, he has a problem with self-expression.

BTW, that was some damn lazy journalism by Harvey Fialkov... At least write a damn story around the quotes to give it some context... They actually pay this clown to write this?

"HolliFinFan wrote:

I agree. I don't think Joey was dissing pitbulls at all, thus his personal reference of having them. He even flies them if necessary. I think what he meant with the cocker spaniel analogy is that those who judged Vick and prosecuted him have the bias against pitbulls. I don't agree with that, as sentient beings such as pitbulls are equivalent to a cocker spaniel in terms of abuse. This, to me, was not an indictment of pitbulls by Joey, but of the widespread opinion of those who he believes Vick's prosecutors share. Again, he has a problem with self-expression.

What I took from this quote was that Porter was downplaying the whole incident, like dogfighting isnt a big deal just because they are tough pitbulls instead of cute cocker spaniels...

Watching what they do to those dogs is just sick... I don't see how a self-professed doglover and pit owner could defend that...

"SkapePhin wrote:

BTW, that was some damn lazy journalism by Harvey Fialkov... At least write a damn story around the quotes to give it some context... They actually pay this clown to write this?

Not for long. The Sun-Sentinel will soon join many newspapers in print in going out of business. Their last ditch effort is to resort to yellow journalism. They will be solely online in the future.

"SkapePhin wrote:

What I took from this quote was that Porter was downplaying the whole incident, like dogfighting isnt a big deal just because they are tough pitbulls instead of cute cocker spaniels...

Watching what they do to those dogs is just sick... I don't see how a self-professed doglover and pit owner could defend that...

Yup, that's what I took from it too.

"He should. All it was was dogs."

A few NFL players have made excuses for Vick and the dog fighting. Personally I think it's a disgusting crime that should strip a player of his right to play in the NFL.

guys that have beaten their wives play in the nfl...just sayin

vick would have been better off raping a woman, not that i agree with what he did or disagree with his punishment..but he deserves a chance to play in the nfl

"SkapePhin wrote:

What I took from this quote was that Porter was downplaying the whole incident, like dogfighting isnt a big deal just because they are tough pitbulls instead of cute cocker spaniels...

Watching what they do to those dogs is just sick... I don't see how a self-professed doglover and pit owner could defend that...

You could be correct. I can see that inference. I don't think Joey has the communication skills to be direct, and he was possibly guided by the questions, and in a Q and A session, the reporter has the control of order. I do think what Vick did is beyond sick. I think that the lack of empathy for a sentient being is a crime in itself.
I am curious though. Why do you think Joey Porter attended Vick's dogfights? Did you think this prior, or just now because of this "interview?"

sounds to me like what he is saying is in a nutshell people are being hypocritical by wanting to punish vick further, as many areas don't allow pitbulls and don't seem to give a crap about them.

"Phin-o-rama wrote:

guys that have beaten their wives play in the nfl...just sayin

vick would have been better off raping a woman, not that i agree with what he did or disagree with his punishment..but he deserves a chance to play in the nfl

There is a major difference between beating a woman, which is bad enough, and training dogs to kill each other for "sport". I don't see how the two are even remotely comparable.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

sounds to me like what he is saying is in a nutshell people are being hypocritical by wanting to punish vick further, as many areas don't allow pitbulls and don't seem to give a crap about them.

Yeah... Basically that he broke a federal law that the government should punish him for, not the NFL.

His punishment was jail time, when he does his time then that's that. The NFL should not be able to not allow him to play in the NFL. If teams don't want him, that's one thing... But not allowing him is a completely different thing...

"like2god wrote:

There is a major difference between beating a woman, which is bad enough, and training dogs to kill each other for "sport". I don't see how the two are even remotely comparable.

I see the comparison. Both are completely unacceptable.

"HolliFinFan wrote:

You could be correct. I can see that inference. I don't think Joey has the communication skills to be direct, and he was possibly guided by the questions, and in a Q and A session, the reporter has the control of order. I do think what Vick did is beyond sick. I think that the lack of empathy for a sentient being is a crime in itself.
I am curious though. Why do you think Joey Porter attended Vick's dogfights? Did you think this prior, or just now because of this "interview?"

Mainly because of his previous comments regarding dogfighting and Vick. He has defended him from the beginning..

Plus, I think his pitbulls killed a small horse once... He obviously trained them to be a little aggressive.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

sounds to me like what he is saying is in a nutshell people are being hypocritical by wanting to punish vick further, as many areas don't allow pitbulls and don't seem to give a crap about them.

Ok, I can sortve get what you are saying there... It could go both ways. This interview really didn't make anything all that clear.

"SkapePhin wrote:

Mainly because of his previous comments regarding dogfighting and Vick. He has defended him from the beginning..

Plus, I think his pitbulls killed a small horse once... He obviously trained them to be a little aggressive.

That's correct. I'd forgotten about that incident.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

Yeah... Basically that he broke a federal law that the government should punish him for, not the NFL.

His punishment was jail time, when he does his time then that's that. The NFL should not be able to not allow him to play in the NFL. If teams don't want him, that's one thing... But not allowing him is a completely different thing...

I can agree with that... Normally, in any job interview, a felony conviction is a MAJOR black mark on your resume and I would doubt that you would be able to get many jobs outside flipping burgers at Micky D's. But this is the NFL, where Pac-Man Jones can make a mockery of everyone and anyone and still be welcomed back to make millions while playing a game, so Vick will undoubtedly get a second chance.

I think he deserves to get a second chance, but he must show the community that he genuinely wishes to contribute to society rather than inflict harm upon it...

"HolliFinFan wrote:

I see the comparison. Both are completely unacceptable.

Other than both being examples of bad behavior, I don't see it. :dunno:

Beating a woman is never okay and the offender should go to jail, but it's nothing compared to the way dogs are treated during these fights. The dogs are abused and pumped full of steroids during it's early life and then they suffer serious injuries during the fight as both dogs rip each other apart. Then after the fight is over, the losing dog (if it hasn't been killed already) is pretty much executed in a number of inhumane ways.

From the Vick indictment:

About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

The indictment also outlined a rough chronology:

• In March 2003, after a pit bull from Bad Newz Kennels lost in a fight, it said Peace consulted with Vick about the losing dog's condition, then executed it by wetting it with water and electrocuting it;

To me that is over the top cruelty and not equal to just hitting a woman. Now if those things were done to a woman (or any person for that matter) then I could see the comparison, but if we're just talking about hitting a woman I don't. :wink2:

"SkapePhin wrote:

Ok, I can sortve get what you are saying there... It could go both ways. This interview really didn't make anything all that clear.

yeah its a couple of quotes, so its probably intended to let the readers imaginations run wild.....
Having said that I don't think I agree with joey either way :lol:

"like2god wrote:

Other than both being examples of bad behavior, I don't see it. :dunno:

Beating a woman is never okay and the offender should go to jail, but it's nothing compared to the way dogs are treated during these fights. The dogs are abused and pumped full of steroids during it's early life and then they suffer serious injuries during the fight as both dogs rip each other apart. Then after the fight is over, the losing dog (if it hasn't been killed already) is pretty much executed in a number of inhumane ways.

From the Vick indictment:

To me that is over the top cruelty and not equal to just hitting a woman. Now if those things were done to a woman (or any person for that matter) then I could see the comparison, but if we're just talking about hitting a woman I don't. :wink2:

We're getting off topic here, but men who hit women have a systematic disregard for pain and inflict emotional abuse. It is rare for a man to "hit" a woman once. The systematic way in which an abuser "imprisons" his victim really is not so different, IMO.