Possible Controversy Coming?

I think it is going to be tough getting the first round pick.

That matchup predictor takes into account a lot of games in the past and isn't really relevant if Colt McCoy starts and plays anywhere like he played today. He played so bad that I don't think the Redskins will put up even 10 points against us if he plays similarly.

This matchup may be the most precarious of the season if we really want that #1 pick. On the plus side, Washington's defense actually came to life today. Forget the final score of 33-7 against NE, they held Brady to just 12 points in the first half. And it didn't look like a fluke either. But how is Washington going to score?? They ran the ball well today but that alone won't do it.

As to whether the coaches or players will intentionally lose I doubt it. Their whole strategy is to starve the team of talent so that it's too difficult for them to win. Problem is.. they might meet their match against Washington lol. And if we mess up this tank job and fail to get the #1 pick I will never forgive Ross. So I personally wouldn't mind the team making sure they lose, but I doubt they will.

Very dangerous game for the tank season. Still waiting for Rosen to light it up so that we can forget about tanking.. but it's highly unlikely.

Why would you blame Ross is there is a team that is worse than us? LOL. I mean, what more could Ross have done to have made the tank almost as much a guarantee as you can get.

I think Gruden is getting fired this week..

I saw this game in April as the easiest one on our schedule, and I certainly still do now. I'm hoping that we come out and absolutely mop the floor with them. That will put a stop to a lot of the sour national media coverage. Then we're just another awful team.

"resnor wrote:

Why would you blame Ross is there is a team that is worse than us? LOL. I mean, what more could Ross have done to have made the tank almost as much a guarantee as you can get.

He could make it clear to Flores that we HAVE to get the #1 pick and if it's a close game in the 4th you call plays as necessary so that you don't come out on top. Of course we don't know if Ross actually made this clear to Flores since we haven't been in a situation to test that. Just saying.. we can't afford to not get that #1 pick. We fail at that and who knows how long before we get another chance at a QB like Tua?

You really think Tua is all that? I follow Alabama, and Tua has never struck me like that.

"resnor wrote:

You really think Tua is all that? I follow Alabama, and Tua has never struck me like that.

I don't think he'll be great, but I think he can be consistently above average, which is good enough to build around.

How Colt McCoy looked vs the Pats is irrelevant , that NE defense so far has 11 ints, 0 TD scored on, is allowing offenses to convert only 10% of their 1st downs, and is averaging about 4 sacks a game.

We on the other hand made Lamar Jackson look like an MVP. Colt McCoy is a serviceable starter and has had decent games vs good teams, not to mention he's a veteran who's been under Jay Gruden the last 6 years so he knows the playbook pretty well. We're going to make him look like a HOF QB should he start, no DB's outside of X and no pass rush spells doom.

I think we are gonna win this game for whatever it is worth. As one poster said, Gruden is probably getting canned this week. They are gonna have a new coach and a new QB. They are trending down. Watching the Dolphins play, the team is getting better, the coaching staff is getting better, and Rosen is getting better. They have had an extended time to practice and prepare. I think that this is a recipe for our first W.

No way the coaches or players tank. Flores may be OK with Grier's roster plan, but no chance he throws a game and risks 0-16. Honestly, whatever he was promised, it would be damn near impossible to recover from 0-16. I don't consider tanking itself - in terms of a GM constructing an intentionally poor short term roster to increase longer term assets - to be immoral, but directly asking a coach to throw a game would absolutely be.

As for winning, it's fine. Don't be mad. Stop. Tanking is fine, whatever. I'd rather go 1-15 than 0-16, even if we have to pick second. We will either get the second rated passer or Chase Young. We will be ok.

Not sure the Skins would be in the mood for a QB anyway. Nor do I think they are an 0-16/1-15 candidate. They will fire Gruden and likely get a short term boost in morale and hard play good for a win or two. It may come this week - I called it a few weeks back, this is the ideal time to ditch him, get an interim and install Haskins.

Itll be interesting to see how the dolphins come out of the bye.. some players have checked out since week 1.. lets see if their attitude changed...

i think if Colt McCoy starts theyre going to cruise to a win... this is the game you want to start Haskins, you play him against a terrible Dolphins team on a full week of practice and see how he fairs..

but Jay Gruden caught a lot of fire for shoving Haskins in a bad situation last week and then two days later naming Mcacoy the starter

"texanphinatic wrote:

No way the coaches or players tank. Flores may be OK with Grier's roster plan, but no chance he throws a game and risks 0-16. Honestly, whatever he was promised, it would be damn near impossible to recover from 0-16. I don't consider tanking itself - in terms of a GM constructing an intentionally poor short term roster to increase longer term assets - to be immoral, but directly asking a coach to throw a game would absolutely be.

As for winning, it's fine. Don't be mad. Stop. Tanking is fine, whatever. I'd rather go 1-15 than 0-16, even if we have to pick second. We will either get the second rated passer or Chase Young. We will be ok.

Not sure the Skins would be in the mood for a QB anyway. Nor do I think they are an 0-16/1-15 candidate. They will fire Gruden and likely get a short term boost in morale and hard play good for a win or two. It may come this week - I called it a few weeks back, this is the ideal time to ditch him, get an interim and install Haskins.

I agree with most of what you said. But I don't see 0-16 as this damning black stain that many do. Its no more worse than 1-15 is to 2-14.

Its not tanking when you are historically terrible. I said this since the start of training camp, i havent seen a least talented dolphins team than the one i saw this season.. i then said after the fourth preseason game, i dont think we are ready for the NFL season... we need more preseason games.. Ryan Fitzpatrick showed me nothing this preseason and he won the starting job.. i was dumbfounded.. rudock showed me more than any qb we had and we let him go. Then we start cutting good players and letting them get claimed.. then we added a bunch of new players that days before the baltimore game.. so yea, this team is historically badly built.

and we had some terrible years In the past 20 years... but we always had Zack, JT and Sam Madison to show us the defense was still good... we had Ronnie Brown producing on par with Adrian Peterson until he tore his ACL.. so we always had talent before

Look at the depth chart now... reshad jones is still good but getting up there in age... xavien howard is ONE cornerback.. he cant cover the whole field himself.. rowe shouldnt be in the NFL.. our linebackers are average at best.. our d line is pathetic.. we really could fix that d line this offseason with chase young and two free agent splashes... dont get me started with the offense.. maybe we have something in Preston Williams but everything else besides Jesse Davis needs a complete overhaul..

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I agree with most of what you said. But I don't see 0-16 as this damning black stain that many do. Its no more worse than 1-15 is to 2-14.

Barnwell on ESPN wrote a piece on us tanking and noted that in the vast majority of cases in all sports, the Coach that "oversees" the tank season(s) get replaced quickly and dont reap the rewards.

Realistically, Flores will have a huge uphill battle regardless, for his players, for fan support and ultimately for Grier and Ross' support.

An 0-16 season is a historic black mark. You dont recover from that imo. I know reality says that a 1 or 2 win season is no real improvement, but 0 is just ... no. You gotta get at least 1 or you are just Hue Jackson cashing checks waiting for the pink slip.

"cbrad wrote:

He could make it clear to Flores that we HAVE to get the #1 pick and if it's a close game in the 4th you call plays as necessary so that you don't come out on top. Of course we don't know if Ross actually made this clear to Flores since we haven't been in a situation to test that. Just saying.. we can't afford to not get that #1 pick. We fail at that and who knows how long before we get another chance at a QB like Tua?

For real? Instead of the 1919 White Sox throwing the World Series, it’s the 2019 Miami Dolphins throwing the season.

Your post sounds like a conspiracy theory with Big Brother mandating everything.

"cbrad wrote:

I don't think he'll be great, but I think he can be consistently above average, which is good enough to build around.

You don’t sacrifice so much roster, gain so many draft picks just to draft “good enough”.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Barnwell on ESPN wrote a piece on us tanking and noted that in the vast majority of cases in all sports, the Coach that "oversees" the tank season(s) get replaced quickly and dont reap the rewards.

Realistically, Flores will have a huge uphill battle regardless, for his players, for fan support and ultimately for Grier and Ross' support.

An 0-16 season is a historic black mark. You dont recover from that imo. I know reality says that a 1 or 2 win season is no real improvement, but 0 is just ... no. You gotta get at least 1 or you are just Hue Jackson cashing checks waiting for the pink slip.

Thsts fine by me. I dont really care what happens to Flores, Grier, Ross or anyone else whos in charge right now. I care that the Dolphins franchise is able to take the steps needed to move on and up in a positive direction within the next three or four years.

I'm not sure we need to worry about it. I suspect we are going to make Washington feel a lot better about themselves.

"djphinfan wrote:

I think Gruden is getting fired this week..

Boom

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

For real? Instead of the 1919 White Sox throwing the World Series, it’s the 2019 Miami Dolphins throwing the season.

Your post sounds like a conspiracy theory with Big Brother mandating everything.

If the plan is to tank for the #1 pick, then you make sure you succeed.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

You don’t sacrifice so much roster, gain so many draft picks just to draft “good enough”.

It's "good enough" statistically to build a SB winner which is all that matters. Also, you can't predict how good (or bad) a QB drafted at the #1 spot is going to be so it's not like you can know in advance which year is the best to tank or which QB one should tank for.

I'm just happy it looks like the timing is right for us. There are some good QB prospects next year and the good thing about Tua is he gives you no reason to think he won't succeed. Still no guarantee of course.

Honestly?

I think Miami loses this game just like all our others. We flat out suck.

If Colt McCoy starts, he's good enough to beat us. We make other teams look good. People keep hyping us up but we're terrible.

Inspirational!

"texanphinatic wrote:

Not sure the Skins would be in the mood for a QB anyway.

The danger of anyone being the number 1 pick as opposed to us, is that even if the team isn't in the mood for a QB, someone will be in the mood to trade up to that pick. We have all these picks now, and it sounds greedy, but I want to keep them all.

0-16, 1- 15 both sounds like we suck really bad. One results in the #1 overall, the other may not.