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Potential Offseason cuts

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jinx, Dec 31, 2015.

  1. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    Player with 2016 cap figure, per Spotrac.

    Cam Wake - $9.8M
    Brent Grimes - $9.5M
    Jordan Cameron - $9.5M
    Dion Jordan - $6.2M
    Greg Jennings - $5.5M
    Quinton Coples - $7.7M
     
  2. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    Grimes and Jennings are no brainers ... Grimes was just plain terrible and Jennings was a terrible signing.

    Jordan most likely as well, given his history. He'd have to do a lot to show himself worthy ...

    Wake is a question with his injury ...

    Cameron and Coples must be thought about by the new regime. Didn't pay much attention to Coples' performance since we signed him. Cameron depends on what we want to do offense.
     
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  3. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    Grimes, Coples and Jennings are easy ones. Some other ones like Jordan depend on scheme. Wake has said he's willing to renegotiate his deal but he wants incentives built in. To me he's a keeper.
     
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  4. 305

    305 Ryan F'n Tannehill Club Member

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    Go away.. 'batin.
    Whats the dead money?
     
  5. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap/2016/

    http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/

    These are the two sites that I use.

    Wake: 9.8 savings / 1.4 hit
    Grimes: 9.5 savings / 3.0 hit
    Cameron: 9.5 savings / 2.0 hit
    Coples: 7.75 savings / no hit
    D. Jordan: 6.2 savings / 2.99 hit
    Jennings: 5.5 savings / 1.5 hit
    Misi: 4.88 savings / 1.15 hit
    Mitchell: 3.5 savings / 1.0 hit
    Br. McCain: 3.5 savings / 1.0 hit
    J. Taylor: 1.1 savings / 0.25 hit
    Fox: 1.5 savings / 0.16 hit
    D. Thomas: 0.86 savings / 0.15 hit
    D. Moore: 0.70 savings / no hit

    Also to think about are the savings from 2017 that would be gained from Grimes (8.5), Misi (4.7), and Mitchell (4.5).
     
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  6. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Moderator Staff Member Club Member

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    I feel like Wake and Coples will BOTH be back at reduced salaries. Just a hunch, particularly with respect to Coples.
     
  7. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I agree that there's a good chance. With Wake though, would he take a simple reduction? Would there be an added year or two, and could those be voided?
     
  8. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Koa Misi hopefully.

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  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I have no warm and fuzzy feelings for Misi, and won't complain if he's let go, but he may be safe due to how horrible his position is. We can save a net total (after hits) of about 25 million by cutting Grimes, Brice McCain, Jordan, Cameron, Jennings and Fox, all of whom I think are almost guaranteed to go. It depends on how much the team needs room beyond that and how much they want them gone for the others.
     
  10. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Wake should be retained if a good contract with incentives can be done. most others are expendable.
     
  11. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Misi is trustworthy OLB and MLB depth. Can't get rid of everyone this year.
     
  12. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    He's trustworthy if you made a bet every year that he'll get hurt.

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  13. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Wake definitely needs to come back next year....He's such a team guy, already willing to re-negotiate and do what it takes to stay. You don't ignore that, especially when he can still play at a high level. I hope he retires a Miami Dolphin, it would be sickening to see him elsewhere.
     
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  14. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I love Wake, and it would be unfortunate to see him play elsewhere, but I went into the season before he got hurt thinking we may need to move on. With his salary, he would have to accept a lower number to return, and the fact that his dead money is fairly small gives the team some leverage. We'll see what happens.
     
  15. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    What kind of success do people have after an Achilles is the real question. I don't think it is good. I just don't see him as a significant contributor. Would need a big cut to come back. Cannot be blinded by loyalty to aging stars here.
     
  16. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Moderator Staff Member Club Member

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    I think Wake will be restructured for the year he has remaining. If he produces, re-sign him to another short-term deal. I'd focus on a way to bring back Coples as a run-stopping base end you can move inside on passing downs. I'd try and bring back Vernon as well if the new coaching staff runs a scheme that keeps him playing wider techniques. Use Wake as a pass-rush specialist as they did from the Titans game to the Pats game where he was hurt.

    Cut Misi. He's subpar and is always hurt. Sign Sean Weatherspoon to play SLB. Sign Zach Brown as depth. Find a way to draft Ragland or Beckwith.
     
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  17. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I love Wake and want to see him retire as a Dolphin. Give him what he wants. Restructure his deal to be more team friendly and give him some incentive bonuses. I say do the same with Coples.

    Grimes, Jordan, Cameron and Jennings need to be cut. I'd be ok with resigning Cameron but he's not worth $9.5MM.
     
  18. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I'm inclined to say give Jamar Taylor more time. The mental errors are maddening, but he has size and talent in a secondary that lacks size and talent. I'd rather let Grimes take a walk and save the $10 million for OL and defense in FA. Vontae Davis and Sean Smith blossomed elsewhere, that happens to us far to often.

    ps As to the OL, if Donald Thomas is healthy now, why not give him another shot? He's only 30. He apparently worked out for the Giants in November.
     
  19. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Dion Jordan? Ha. Good one.
     
  20. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I would cut every single one of those guys. Start to change the culture and get some new faces and better talent in here

    Then I'd definitely bring back Cam Wake at a reduced rate. He's really the only guy on that list I want back

    EDIT: Jordan Cameron still intrigues me too, but that'll be based on what scheme we run. I know it's not his fault that he has to stay in and block all the time, but he's not worth that salary.
     
  21. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Not to be rude to anyone in particular, but you guys who want to cut Wake are clearly showing everyone how ignorant you really are.

    If Wake is cut he will have an offer from 31 teams the next day.

    Wake the___up!
     
  22. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    He's a month away from being 34 and he shredded his achilles tendon, the same injury that has Dan Marino limping to this day. Those are big deals.
     
  23. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    You're 100% certain he'll be back to where he was? No doubt worth almost 10 million?
     
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  24. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    All 31 huh, and everyone else is ignorant?

    Have you heard the story about the pot and the kettle?
     
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  25. DolphinGreg

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    I'd like to see Jordan Cameron restructured and re-signed over the next few seasons.

    I'd happily lose Rishard Matthews to free agency if I knew I could bring Jordan Cameron back over the next few years. TE is a realy need if you lose Cameron and WR is deep and relatively easy to fill with draft prospects these days. There are talented WRs everywhere across college football where as finding a TE as reliable as Jordan Cameron can sometimes take a 1st round pick.

    It would make a lot of sense and would really help keep the focus on offense centered around fixing the offensive line.
     
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  26. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Loved your thoughts on Schwartz! :) I'd love to see the Dolphins revitalize Coples in some capacity. He and Wake coming back at reasonable prices would be a solid move for Miami I think. We'll see if the front office gets it done.

    I also think Vernon will be the team's #1 priority in free agency. If Miami can line up with Vernon, Suh, Wake, Coples, and Phillips next year that'd be great. I almost hate losing Shelby though because I feel he's more valuable than we give him credit for, but he looks like the odd man out.

    Whatever happened to Fede, btw?
     
  27. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Fede's not been on the injury report that I can remember, but he's been totally invisible, you're right.
     
  28. Dolphin Dundee

    Dolphin Dundee Well-Known Member

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    How the hell does Jordan make 6.2 mil? Thats straight up robbery.
     
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  29. evo8904

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    I agree, not many people can come back 100% after that injury. A DE has to be explosive off the end and I doubt that he will ever be the same. I have actually handle many athlete's workers comp claims due to achilles tendon ruptures. In positions that required running, around 80% never came back and I would just settle their claim. It sucks, I really enjoyed watching him play.
     
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  30. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Damontre Moore is well worth keeping if it comes down to 1 or the other.
     
  31. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, medicine has advanced a long way since then. Remember when ACL tears might as well have been career enders?
     
  32. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think Wake will bite the bullet for the team.......He knows his role will be diminished some already with the injury he had..that is with thinking that he will recover enough to play pass rush specialist....from there I want us to resign some of our own FA's...Miller has to come back...Vernon....Shelby......Matthews......and maybe a few others...We need to restructure Jordan Cameron as I believe we will have a competent OC who knows how to use a TE with his talent....they don't come along too often as talented as he is.....Grimes and his mouthy broad can go with him at his cost...unless he wants to drop it to say 2.5-3 mil with incentives, Branden Albert needs to restructure a good ways down with incentives...bye bye Dallas Thomas......maybe give Dion Jordan a chance if he has and can stay clean and wants to really play football as well as take a heavily reduced salary with some incentives...He already has received plenty of money for nothing from us....see ya Sheppard, bye,bye Misi.
     
  33. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Good point, but now as opposed to then there's a lot more scope surgeries on ACL tears as opposed to cutting open patellar tendon and the lateral side of the knee, I'm not sure what advances may have been made with achilles tendon surgery.
     
  34. Vertical Limit

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    Id cut them all.... We arent winning next year so might as well start cutting and wait for the savings in 2017 to start over again. Build through the draft. Sign a guard or two.
     
  35. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    See Brent Grimes.....as far as rather one can come back from an Achilles injury and still play good football...I believe that Wake could do it with no problems...especially in a diminished role.
     
  36. Phoenician Fan

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    If we did that we would have well over 100 mil in cap room in 2017. That would be ridiculous. All the Dolphins really need is Carson Wentz and a completely rebuilt OL. That alone would get the team to a competitive level. If we luck out and get good coaches and convert to a base 3-4, that move alone almost solves the LB problem.

    This team is absolutely fixable and we could win next year while rebuilding, but throwing away Cam Wake before giving him an opportunity to recover is nuts; and I stand by what I wrote earlier, every team in the NFL would love to have Cam Wake as a situational pass rusher in their rotation. If we released him he would be absolutely flooded with offers.
     
  37. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Which Wake will be coming back? The one who completely disappeared the first 4 games of this season
    and who had 1 assisted tackle for his production or lack of.

    or are we getting the Wake of his last 3 games with 7 sacks and 4 forced fumbles?
     
  38. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    IMO. we get back a veteran who is capable of the same kind of success Mathis,Freeny, John Abraham,etc had; only even better as long as he isn't expected to start but to work as a situational pass rusher.
     
  39. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    Yeah jinx, I'd cut all of them. Grimes' woes in the '15 season came to a head, but we saw signs last year('14) we he got rag-dolled by J.Nelson. As for Wake? I say get something for him while we can(player-pick combo?).
     
  40. dgfred

    dgfred Free Agent pickup

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    Hey... did you hear if Jaylon Smith's knee injury was a bad one or not?
     

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