Pro Football Focus Stats for Dolphins-Bills Game
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ckparrotheadStaffOP(Stats deleted - Someone notified the Pro Football Focus folks about either this thread or the one at Finheaven and apparently it's a violation of their terms to post stats from one of their games)
Most Impressive on Defense:
Freeing 19 players into Trent Edwards' face on 40 pass snaps, despite rushing an average of LESS then four players per pass. That right there is using less to do more, working smarter not harder. For one thing you can credit this to the defensive players who obviously dominated the offensive players in their one-on-one matchups. But you have to also credit Mike Nolan on this one for finding different ways to panic the quarterback. With a guy like Trent Edwards, you can panic him by dropping 8 men into coverage, taking away his options, and then letting his own internal clock drive him crazy.
Most Depressive on Defense:
I think Benny Sapp and Jason Allen are still the going concerns, in the secondary. If Ken LaVicka is correct that the miscommunication on the 30 yard TD was more on Benny Sapp than Tyrone Culver, then you add that 30 yard TD to his coverage day and he let up 58 yards and a TD on 5 targets, with a blown opportunity to help outweigh that by snagging that one interception. As for Jason Allen, again I have to point out that 6.4 yards per attempt on passes aimed your direction is good for a corner, but considering Trent Edwards' overall performance and considering the man coverage assignment he blew on Lee Evans where he fell down and the ball was overthrown...it was a day that could have been a lot worse. It concerns me that he also blew his opportunity to outweigh any mistakes with a pick-6. That concerns me because when someone says "oh he'll get that corrected and catch it next time," the first question that comes to my mind is...how do you know that? Based on what? This is not a guy with a history of making good on us. Mistakes for him are just another tack-on in a long string.
Most Impressive on Offense:
I'm going to go with the pass protection on this one. The Buffalo Bills were MUCH more aggressive than the Dolphins in their blitz calls. They averaged 4.5 players rushing Chad Henne per pass snap (remember, Dolphins averaged 3.8). The Dolphins combated that by having about 5.7 offensive players stay in and block per pass snap (versus 5.8 in 2009)...and yet Chad Henne was only pressued by a total of 10 Bills' players on 8 of his 39 pass snaps. That's just superior blocking by a line that honestly had to be questioned a little bit on their pass protection after the training camp reports and some of the preseason showings. At the bar, my Bills friend and I were watching the game and we noticed the same thing on almost every play...ALL DAY to throw the ball. The numbers bear that out.
Most Depressive on Offense:
I think overall I have to go with Chad Henne over Brian Hartline on this one. Yeah, Hartline going out for 34 pass patterns and returning nil yards is concerning and depressing, but I know that some of that was really on Chad Henne not finding him. As has been noted by several, Henne couldn't find him on a deep post where he was wide open. He checked it to a back instead I believe. I think when Sparano talks about Henne's performance and said that there were plays where Henne could have found someone instead of panicking and checking it down, that concerns me. That means that Henne was even more conservative than the coaching staff wanted him to be. Henne still put about 80% of his passes in a place where his receiver could have caught it, but his ball placement was generally sh-tty. That contributes to the drops you see. Only being pressured 8 times and taking 3 sacks on those plays is a bad statistic. That's not something that can or should continue. Eery how similar it was though to his first game against the Bills in 2009 when the pressure was really overstated by the number of sacks he took against them. So between ball placement, panicking and checking down at times when even a conservative staff didn't want him to, having yet another pass batted at the line, and being bad in the pocket with taking sacks even though the offensive line is giving you a lot to work with...that was not a good performance for him.
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dolfan22SupporterGreat read , many thanks.
Quick question , didn't Bess drop one pass? or was that somehow ruled not a drop ?
TrowaNew MemberOMG! Thank you SO much. I was sad to know I wouldn't be able to get this info any more.
Dol-Fan DupreeForum VeteranDoes it count defensive missed tackles and the average from last year?
Watching the game I felt Miami did a much better job of making tackles. I would like to see stats to back that up
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finyank13New Memberhow about looking at the defensive stats right, Dansby has 3-rush plays out of 56 snaps....as compared to Wake's 34, and Dansby gets a sack hahaha..!!
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Participation Offense: Out of 75 possible snaps
Jake Long, Richie Incognito, Joe Berger, John Jerry and Vernon Carey played 75 of 75 snaps, consisting of 36 run blocks and 39 pass blocks.
Anthony Fasano - 66 snaps - 27 pass - 33 run block - 6 pass pro
John Nalbone - 14 snaps - 1 pass - 13 run block - 0 pass proRicky Williams - 46 snaps - 18 run - 12 pass - 8 run block - 8 pass pro
Ronnie Brown - 36 snaps - 12 run - 14 pass - 2 run block - 8 pass pro
Pat Cobbs - 1 snap - 0 run - 0 pass - 1 run block - 0 pass pro
Lou Polite - 50 snaps - 2 run - 16 pass - 28 run block - 4 pass proBrandon Marshall - 65 snaps - 37 pass - 28 run block
Brian Hartline - 52 snaps - 34 pass - 18 run block
Davone Bess - 37 snaps - 24 pass - 12 run block
Marlon Moore - 9 snaps - 4 pass - 5 run blockParticipation Defense: Out of 56 possible snaps
Kendall Langford - 41 snaps - 13 run - 27 rush - 1 cover
Randy Starks - 31 snaps - 11 run - 20 rush - 0 cover
Tony McDaniel - 27 snaps - 5 run - 22 rush - 0 cover
Jared Odrick - 22 snaps - 8 run - 14 rush - 0 cover
Paul Soliai - 10 snaps - 6 run - 4 rush - 0 coverKarlos Dansby - 56 snaps - 16 run - 3 rush - 37 cover
Cameron Wake - 53 snaps - 15 run - 34 rush - 4 cover
Koa Misi - 38 snaps - 6 run - 20 rush - 12 cover
Bobby Carpenter - 14 snaps - 8 run - 1 rush - 5 cover
Tim Dobbins - 12 snaps - 7 run - 1 rush - 4 cover
Quentin Moses - 10 snaps - 4 run - 3 rush - 3 coverVontae Davis - 56 snaps - 16 run - 0 rush - 40 cover
Yeremiah Bell - 56 snaps - 16 run - 2 rush - 38 cover
Chris Clemons - 56 snaps - 16 run - 2 rush - 38 cover
Jason Allen - 56 snaps - 16 run - 0 rush - 40 cover
Benny Sapp - 47 snaps - 11 run - 0 rush - 36 cover
Tyrone Culver - 33 snaps - 3 run - 0 rush - 30 coverPass Protection:
* Vernon Carey gave up the only sack that was attributed to the OL. Other than that, 0 QB Hits and 0 QB Pressures
* Jake Long, Richie Incognito and John Jerry each gave up 1 QB Hit, no Sacks or Pressures
* Joe Berger gave up nothing
* Anthony Fasano gave up 1 QB Pressure, Ronnie Brown gave up 1 QB Hit, Ricky Williams gave up 1 QB Sack as well as 1 QB Hit
Pass Rush:
* Koa Misi had the best day in pass rush. Out of 20 rushes he had 1 QB Sack, 2 QB Hits and 4 QB Pressures. He chipped in 2 tackles, 1 of them a "stop".
* Cameron Wake not far behind as a pass rusher with 1 QB Sack, 2 QB Hits and 1 QB Pressure. Also chipped in 1 Batted Pass, 2 Tackles, 3 total "stops".
* Considering Karlos Dansby only rushed 3 times, having 1 QB Sack and 1 QB Hit is impressive both on in his personal accomplishment as well as schematically.
* Kendall Langford and Tony McDaniel both chipped in 1 QB Pressure each, but those were surprisingly the only pass rush accomplishments of the DL. Of course what doesn't show up on the sheet is that one play Starks would have sacked Edwards but he drew a penalty. Starks and McDaniel each had 1 Batted Pass.
* Considering Quentin Moses was only on the field for 3 rushes, kudos for walking away with 2 QB Pressures on them. Also chipped in 1 Tackle, which was classified by PFF as a "stop" (offensive failure).
* Yeremiah Bell chipped in 1 QB Pressure on one of his his 2 pass rushes.
* There has been talk from some players about the game plan against the Bills being "conservative" or "vanilla". This was absolutely the case. Mike Nolan only had an average of 3.80 players rushing the passer on the 40 pass snaps of the game. For reference, in 2009 the Dolphins under Paul Pasqualoni had an average of 4.39 pass rushers for every pass snap.
* Despite the conservative approach to rushing the passer, this was a very charmed day for Mike Nolan's blitzers. A total of 66 non-DL players rushed the passer and they walked away with 3 QB Sacks, 6 QB Hits and 10 QB Pressures. Those are stupendous numbers. They made a junior varsity offensive line look junior varsity, which not every team could say about the Bills a year ago.
Receiver Notes:
* Targets went like this...
Brandon Marshall - 12 targets
Davone Bess - 7 targets
Anthony Fasano - 3 targets
Ronnie Brown - 3 targets
Lousaka Polite - 3 targets
Brian Hartline - 2 targets
Ricky Williams - 1 target
Marlon Moore - 1 target* One stat I like for WRs is pass yards contributed per pass snap. Davone Bess led the way with 2.13 yards for every route ran. Then Anthony Fasano at 1.70 yards for every pass pattern. Ronnie Brown and Brandon Marshall tied at 1.43 yards for every route they ran. Lou Polite did ok with 0.75 yards per route. Ricky Williams and Marlon Moore contributed no yards on the combined 16 pass patterns they ran. Brian Hartline dragging the rear with a staggering no yards on the 34 pass routes he ran.
* Drops, drops, drops. Marlon Moore had a drop on the only ball that went his way. Brian Hartline had two drops on the only two balls that went his way. Brandon Marshall contributed an additional 2 drops.
Running Notes:
* Not counting Chad Henne's 7 yard scramble, that one trip Henne had where he turtled it, or Davone Bess' curious end-around run, the team rushed for a 133 yards on 33 attempts, a 4.0 yards per carry average.
* The highest YPC came from Left End where Ronnie Brown ran 3 times for 22 yards, mostly consisting of a 17 yard scamper. The second-best was Middle-Right, between Joe Berger and John Jerry, where the runners combined for 24 yards on 4 attempts, a 6.0 average.
* Ricky Williams had 16 runs for 62 yards, 39 yards of which came after contact. He made 1 defender miss a tackle.
* Ronnie Brown had 12 runs for 65 yards (with 1 TD), 30 yards of which came after contact. He made 2 defenders miss a tackle.
Passing Notes:
* Chad Henne had 38 drop backs. Only 32 of these resulted in "aimed" passes that were not thrown away or batted at the line of scrimmage. As we now know, 5 of these 32 aimed passes were dropped. He completed 21 others. This means that he threw 81% of his passes accurately enough to be caught...which is very much in line for Chad Henne's career.
* Henne tried only 2 pass attempts beyond 20 yards down the field (both to Brandon Marshall as I recall). Neither was caught. This is going off memory but one was the pass that Brandon Marshall dropped, the other was a beautiful corner route from Marshall where he got between the CB and S zones but Henne just overthrew the thing.
* At a depth of 10 to 19 yards, Henne was 4 of 5 for 61 yards. Not bad at all.
* Outside the hash marks, Henne was 10 of 18 for 57 yards. Not very good.
* As stated before, Henne was only pressured 8 of 38 attempts. He threw 5 of those balls, completing 2 for 15 yards, and he took 3 sacks. Not good.
* Buffalo only blitzed him about 12 of the 38 attempts. He took 2 sacks, threw the ball 10 times, completed 7 of them for 54 yards. Actually that's decent for beating the blitz.
* With no blitz on, Henne was 19 of 29 for 167 yards.
Coverage Notes:
* Here are the target numbers...
Karlos Dansby - 7 targets - 4 Rec - 10 Yds - 21 YAC - 0 TD - 0 INT - 0 PD
Jason Allen - 5 targets - 3 Rec - 31 Yds - 4 YAC - 0 TD - 0 INT - 1 PD
Benny Sapp - 4 targets - 2 Rec - 28 Yds - 3 YAC - 0 TD - 0 INT - 1 PD
Yeremiah Bell - 3 targets - 2 Rec - 13 Yds - 2 YAC - 0 TD - 0 INT - 0 PD
Tyrone Culver - 3 targets - 3 Rec - 31 Yds - 6 YAC - 1 TD - 0 INT - 0 PD
Koa Misi - 2 targets - 1 Rec - 5 Yds - 5 YAC - 0 TD - 0 INT - 0 PD
Chris Clemons - 2 targets - 2 Rec - 10 Yds - 2 YAC - 0 TD - 0 INT - 0 PD
Vontae Davis - 2 targets - 1 Rec - 13 Yds - 7 YAC - 0 TD - 0 INT - 1 PD* Tyrone Culver's numbers look bad overall, but the reality is there was a secondary miscommunication on that 30 yard TD (Ken LaVicka says it was more on Benny Sapp than Ty Culver) and otherwise he was challenged twice, one catch went for -3 yards when he got the player down for a loss, and the other went for only 4 yards.
* Benny Sapp's and Jason Allen's days were just 'ok' from a numbers standpoint (7.0 yards per attempt and 6.4 yards per attempt, respectively) when you consider how much Trent Edwards was under fire from the pass rush and how tentatively he played. I know Simon doesn't agree but I don't like seeing a corner run down the field with a receiver in one on one and then trip over the receiver's feet, ending up on the ground while the receiver is running free to the ball. The ball did end up overthrown though. Sapp and Allen could have turned their 'ok' days into good days by grabbing hold of one of the "green light specials" as Sparano called them, plays where both guys put themselves in position to intercept balls and potentially return them. I'm tired of mediocrity in the secondary, I want those balls to be caught. Good secondaries catch them. Good secondary players don't trip and potentially let up TDs on long passes. It would be different if Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson did those things, they've earned the right to do that every now and then and for it to be chalked up. This is Jason Allen and Benny Sapp. They haven't earned that right.
* Altogether though, I like to track yards given up per coverage assignment, and (in large part due to Trent Edwards' being Trent Edwards) these guys had a good day from that standpoint.
Bobby Carpenter - 0.00 yards per coverage (5 coverages)
Tim Dobbins - 0.00 yards per coverage (4 coverages)
Cameron Wake - 0.00 yards per coverage (4 coverages)
Quentin Moses - 0.00 yards per coverage (3 coverages)
Kendall Langford - 0.00 yards per coverage (1 coverage)
Chris Clemons - 0.26 yards per coverage
Karlos Dansby - 0.27 yards per coverage
Vontae Davis - 0.33 yards per coverage
Yeremiah Bell - 0.34 yards per coverage
Koa Misi - 0.42 yards per coverage
Benny Sapp - 0.78 yards per coverage
Jason Allen - 0.80 yards per coverage
Tyrone Culver - 1.03 yards per coverage (0.03 yards per coverage if you exclude miscue)* For those tracking, that's a total of 139 yards on 288 coverages, an average of 0.48 yards per man in coverage.
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padre31Luxury BoxKarlos Dansby - 56 snaps - 16 run - 3 rush - 37 cover
Cameron Wake - 53 snaps - 15 run - 34 rush - 4 cover
Koa Misi - 38 snaps - 6 run - 20 rush - 12 cover
Bobby Carpenter - 14 snaps - 8 run - 1 rush - 5 cover
Tim Dobbins - 12 snaps - 7 run - 1 rush - 4 cover
Quentin Moses - 10 snaps - 4 run - 3 rush - 3 cover
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