Props to Wallace

"Section126 wrote:

PFF's grades are wacky this morning.....

So...they are wacky when it says someone did good...but not wacky when they did bad?

"Section126 wrote:

Yes it was.

Every receiver is taught to CATCH THE BALL FIRST. He did that. The area in which he caught it made it more likely for him to be out of bounds , when the ball placement could have been MUCH better.

It was a bad pass, and more importantly, the Dolphins Coaching staff thinks it was a bad pass as well.

Yeah, I've watched that play a few times and I didn't need to because it was obvious when it happened, but I didn't think he had a chance to get his feet down. I thought it was funny how some were complaining about that. Sometimes people don't take into account the speed of the ball as well as the speed, motion and timing of the receiver. Just because he was able to get his hand on the ball, doesn't mean he can automatically get his feet down. There just wasn't enough time and space.

"SICK wrote:

Props for doing what hes paid to do. Great job.

With that mentality, no one should ever be praised.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

So...they are wacky when it says someone did good...but not wacky when they did bad?

I didn't say that.

It was clearly Tanny's "fault" on that TD where Revis got dusted. Like Section126 said, Tanny just had to drop the ball in there. No reason to leave a small margin for error.

I loved Tanny's overall play yesterday. He just made a few mistakes. It happens.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

It was clearly Tanny's "fault" on that TD where Revis got dusted. Like Section126 said, Tanny just had to drop the ball in there. No reason to leave a small margin for error.

I loved Tanny's overall play yesterday. He just made a few mistakes. It happens.

Gotta remember how young the kid still is. This is his prove it or lose it season but, he is still developing as an NFL QB and in his first year in a new offense. Lots of throws he should have made and quite a few made that he wouldn't have made last year. He is improving though. We will see if he can improve on this performance next week. .

Can't wait till we see some of that read option.

"Section126 wrote:

I didn't say that.

No no..didnt mean you did..my bad..poor wording choice..just he must have done more right then what we saw...wonder if the coaches saw alot of good things in 2nd half...cuz to get 3.2 after his first half..he had to do something right

There was also a pretty good wind yesterday...with him rolling to the right like that..wind could also have caused it to drift..it wasnt that far from being an amazing throw..

Do we have a video of the throw? I'm going from memory but I remember being really impressed with the throw considering we was on the run and kind of threw it on the run without fully stopping (again, going from memory). He could have placed the ball a foot or two more inbounds and Wallace could have dragged a foot. Do we really expect every ball to have perfect placement?

Tannehill was like 6-7 to start the game and ended up 18-32 which is a pretty low completion percentage. If you give him 4 drops it takes him to 68.75% completion rate with 3 TDs and 1 int and add about 80 yds would be about 250. I think that QBR would be 110. That said, I think he deserved the 80 QBR for throwing behind the receivers during the first half. I'd put him partially responsible for the Wallace fumble.

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"pmj wrote:

Do we have a video of the throw? I'm going from memory but I remember being really impressed with the throw considering we was on the run and kind of threw it on the run without fully stopping (again, going from memory). He could have placed the ball a foot or two more inbounds and Wallace could have dragged a foot. Do we really expect every ball to have perfect placement?

I think if Wallace was 6'5" you could get away with a more erroneous throw, but his forte is speed, which he used to break away from Revis on a double move. There's the #1 receiver on your team capitalizing on the skill set that you brought him in for. Now give him the decent throw that he afforded you.

In a game where most of our receiving threats were not productive, Mike Wallace was, despite the fumble and the miscues.

I think it's borderline insane to criticize the Tannehill throw where Wallace stepped out of bounds unnecessarily. Yes I expect the coaching staff to get on Tannehill for that because they want perfection, and they should ask for perfection. That's part of being a good coach. But Wallace's screwup on that play was MUCH bigger, if you compare them. The ball was well within a receiver's ability to get both feet in-bounds, but he doesn't. I see guys that make less than a third of what Wallace makes, making that catch and getting their feet in-bounds. I see guys in college doing it. But Wallace doesn't. Yet it's still Tannehill's fault.

The excuse-making for Wallace has reached insanity levels. For much of the game Wallace was absolutely, positively atrocious. He didn't look back for a ball on time. He fumbled the ball. I believe he let two balls hit him right on the facemask which is Necessary Roughness comical. One of the balls that got tipped up he immediately puts his arms and head down and starts looking for the flag WHILE THE BALL WAS STILL ALIVE. If he just keeps his concentration on the ball in the tip drill, he could have still scored a touchdown. He later showed that himself when Revis tipped a ball in the end zone and Wallace was able to come down with it because he actually focused on the ball instead of lobbying for the flag immediately.

Tannehill had issues with the execution of the offense and there were some throws that weren't good. I'm not sure I'd give him a high grade for the game. But there continues to be this weird tendency to shift some of the blame that is owed the $17 million salaried wide receiver onto Ryan Tannehill.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think it's borderline insane to criticize the Tannehill throw where Wallace stepped out of bounds unnecessarily. Yes I expect the coaching staff to get on Tannehill for that because they want perfection, and they should ask for perfection. That's part of being a good coach. But Wallace's screwup on that play was MUCH bigger, if you compare them. The ball was well within a receiver's ability to get both feet in-bounds, but he doesn't. I see guys that make less than a third of what Wallace makes, making that catch and getting their feet in-bounds. I see guys in college doing it. But Wallace doesn't. Yet it's still Tannehill's fault.

The excuse-making for Wallace has reached insanity levels. For much of the game Wallace was absolutely, positively atrocious. He didn't look back for a ball on time. He fumbled the ball. I believe he let two balls hit him right on the facemask which is Necessary Roughness comical. One of the balls that got tipped up he immediately puts his arms and head down and starts looking for the flag WHILE THE BALL WAS STILL ALIVE. If he just keeps his concentration on the ball in the tip drill, he could have still scored a touchdown. He later showed that himself when Revis tipped a ball in the end zone and Wallace was able to come down with it because he actually focused on the ball instead of lobbying for the flag immediately.

Tannehill had issues with the execution of the offense and there were some throws that weren't good. I'm not sure I'd give him a high grade for the game. But there continues to be this weird tendency to shift some of the blame that is owed the $17 million salaried wide receiver onto Ryan Tannehill.

There was one throw from Tannehill that Wallace had clearly pushed past the 1st down marker by three yards..and Tannehill put it right on his mitts...if Wallace had actually come back to the ball that was a big first down and would have gotten us from under our goal posts. But Wallace waited leaving Revis a chance to get his hand in.

That being said...dude gets open no doubt about it. He had his way with Revis yesterday.

That throw was late af.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

There was one throw from Tannehill that Wallace had clearly pushed past the 1st down marker by three yards..and Tannehill put it right on his mitts...if Wallace had actually come back to the ball that was a big first down and would have gotten us from under our goal posts. But Wallace waited leaving Revis a chance to get his hand in.

That being said...dude gets open no doubt about it. He had his way with Revis yesterday.

You're right I had forgotten about that throw. Wallace needed to come back to the ball, which is something people say when they're evaluating receivers coming out of college all the time. It's pretty basic. He didn't and so he didn't catch it even though it hit his chest.

So you have that play, the play that hit him right on the facemask which was actually really funny, the play where he didn't look back on time and then started flopping while he should have been focusing on the tip drill, you have the fumble, and you have the perfectly catchable deep ball where he shows zero sideline awareness.

Oh but he had a wonderful day, because Revis accidentally tipped a ball straight into his hands.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think it's borderline insane to criticize the Tannehill throw where Wallace stepped out of bounds unnecessarily. Yes I expect the coaching staff to get on Tannehill for that because they want perfection, and they should ask for perfection. That's part of being a good coach. But Wallace's screwup on that play was MUCH bigger, if you compare them. The ball was well within a receiver's ability to get both feet in-bounds, but he doesn't. I see guys that make less than a third of what Wallace makes, making that catch and getting their feet in-bounds. I see guys in college doing it. But Wallace doesn't. Yet it's still Tannehill's fault.

The excuse-making for Wallace has reached insanity levels. For much of the game Wallace was absolutely, positively atrocious. He didn't look back for a ball on time. He fumbled the ball. I believe he let two balls hit him right on the facemask which is Necessary Roughness comical. One of the balls that got tipped up he immediately puts his arms and head down and starts looking for the flag WHILE THE BALL WAS STILL ALIVE. If he just keeps his concentration on the ball in the tip drill, he could have still scored a touchdown. He later showed that himself when Revis tipped a ball in the end zone and Wallace was able to come down with it because he actually focused on the ball instead of lobbying for the flag immediately.

Tannehill had issues with the execution of the offense and there were some throws that weren't good. I'm not sure I'd give him a high grade for the game. But there continues to be this weird tendency to shift some of the blame that is owed the $17 million salaried wide receiver onto Ryan Tannehill.

Yeah....that was bad.

^^^ when wallace watches the film this week, he should see some of these issues - they are easy to see. The delayed search for the tipped ball and the waiting for that pass to hit him instead of stepping into it (Hartline does that well by the way), and i'll even throw in the out of bounds catch. It should be a wake up call that he's not where he perhaps thought he was on the WR totem pole.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Yeah....that was bad.

Compare it to the play in the Seattle game where the defender went up for the sure pick, but the WR jumped in and broke it up instead of begging for a flag.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Compare it to the play in the Seattle game where the defender went up for the sure pick, but the WR jumped in and broke it up instead of begging for a flag.

Just this weekend I saw receivers doing that a ton. Especially in that Seattle game. Concentration on the football is a thing, and he no haz it. Or at least not consistently. Credit him on the tipped touchdown, even if it did get tipped serendipitously right into his hands.

Tannehill vs. Wallace: Round 246

Quite frankly it would be nice if we were paying $17 million for a wide receiver who did not induce 246 rounds of "who is to blame".

"ckparrothead wrote:

Just this weekend I saw receivers doing that a ton. Especially in that Seattle game. Concentration on the football is a thing, and he no haz it. Or at least not consistently. Credit him on the tipped touchdown, even if it did get tipped serendipitously right into his hands.

Ya, that play and him trucking the safety were nice surprises.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I think it's borderline insane to criticize the Tannehill throw where Wallace stepped out of bounds unnecessarily. Yes I expect the coaching staff to get on Tannehill for that because they want perfection, and they should ask for perfection. That's part of being a good coach. But Wallace's screwup on that play was MUCH bigger, if you compare them. The ball was well within a receiver's ability to get both feet in-bounds, but he doesn't. I see guys that make less than a third of what Wallace makes, making that catch and getting their feet in-bounds. I see guys in college doing it. But Wallace doesn't. Yet it's still Tannehill's fault.

The excuse-making for Wallace has reached insanity levels. For much of the game Wallace was absolutely, positively atrocious. He didn't look back for a ball on time. He fumbled the ball. I believe he let two balls hit him right on the facemask which is Necessary Roughness comical. One of the balls that got tipped up he immediately puts his arms and head down and starts looking for the flag WHILE THE BALL WAS STILL ALIVE. If he just keeps his concentration on the ball in the tip drill, he could have still scored a touchdown. He later showed that himself when Revis tipped a ball in the end zone and Wallace was able to come down with it because he actually focused on the ball instead of lobbying for the flag immediately.

Tannehill had issues with the execution of the offense and there were some throws that weren't good. I'm not sure I'd give him a high grade for the game. But there continues to be this weird tendency to shift some of the blame that is owed the $17 million salaried wide receiver onto Ryan Tannehill.

It was a bad throw. It was a gimme TD. CB's never get beat as bad as Revis was beat on the play and when they are, you deliver it with no margin for error. Instead, Tannehill tried to be perfect and made a nervous pass, when there was no FS that could close on the play.

Again, WR's are taught to catch the ball first. Tannehill Threw Wallace toward the sideline.

"Section126 wrote:

It was a bad throw. It was a gimme TD. CB's never get beat as bad as Revis was beat on the play and when they are, you deliver it with no margin for error. Instead, Tannehill tried to be perfect and made a nervous pass, when there was no FS that could close on the play.

Again, WR's are taught to catch the ball first. Tannehill Threw Wallace toward the sideline.

Professionals catch it in bounds.