1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Props to Wallace

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    You're right I had forgotten about that throw. Wallace needed to come back to the ball, which is something people say when they're evaluating receivers coming out of college all the time. It's pretty basic. He didn't and so he didn't catch it even though it hit his chest.

    So you have that play, the play that hit him right on the facemask which was actually really funny, the play where he didn't look back on time and then started flopping while he should have been focusing on the tip drill, you have the fumble, and you have the perfectly catchable deep ball where he shows zero sideline awareness.

    Oh but he had a wonderful day, because Revis accidentally tipped a ball straight into his hands.
     
    Clark Kent likes this.
  2. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    10,610
    7,718
    113
    May 7, 2008
    New Orleans
    Yeah....that was bad.
     
  3. ElNino

    ElNino Well-Known Member

    1,535
    255
    83
    Aug 5, 2013
    Norfolk VA
    ^^^ when wallace watches the film this week, he should see some of these issues - they are easy to see. The delayed search for the tipped ball and the waiting for that pass to hit him instead of stepping into it (Hartline does that well by the way), and i'll even throw in the out of bounds catch. It should be a wake up call that he's not where he perhaps thought he was on the WR totem pole.
     
  4. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Compare it to the play in the Seattle game where the defender went up for the sure pick, but the WR jumped in and broke it up instead of begging for a flag.
     
    ckparrothead likes this.
  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    Just this weekend I saw receivers doing that a ton. Especially in that Seattle game. Concentration on the football is a thing, and he no haz it. Or at least not consistently. Credit him on the tipped touchdown, even if it did get tipped serendipitously right into his hands.
     
  6. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

    27,731
    27,792
    113
    Dec 2, 2007
    Jersey
    Tannehill vs. Wallace: Round 246
     
    mroz and Sceeto like this.
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    Quite frankly it would be nice if we were paying $17 million for a wide receiver who did not induce 246 rounds of "who is to blame".
     
    resnor and bran like this.
  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya, that play and him trucking the safety were nice surprises.
     
  9. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

    47,401
    72,519
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Miami, Florida
    It was a bad throw. It was a gimme TD. CB's never get beat as bad as Revis was beat on the play and when they are, you deliver it with no margin for error. Instead, Tannehill tried to be perfect and made a nervous pass, when there was no FS that could close on the play.

    Again, WR's are taught to catch the ball first. Tannehill Threw Wallace toward the sideline.
     
    TooGoodForDez, MrClean and Sceeto like this.
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

    35,071
    25,542
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    Professionals catch it in bounds.
     
    resnor, bran and Superself like this.
  11. jboogie

    jboogie The sky is NOT falling!

    He he f**ked up the entire first half and knew he had to make up for it.

    Still a Wallace hater but got pretty damn pumped to see him fight for the ball and lower his pads.
     
  12. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Anyone wanna wager Brian woulda caught it?
     
    77FinFan, vizi0n and bran like this.
  13. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

    3,840
    636
    0
    Feb 26, 2013
    Brian would be running towards out endzone, and trip on a paint.
     
  14. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    lol..maybe
     
  15. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Hey...which brings up a good point.

    Props to the grounds crew. Columbia Brazil Friday night...FAU UM Sat night..and field looked in good shape!
     
    ckparrothead and TooGoodForDez like this.
  16. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

    12,556
    5,187
    113
    Oct 13, 2008
    New York
    I'm now watching it again on my DVR:
    There was also that pass where Wallace ran a medium to deep slant out. It was a nice completion, but Wallace had to catch it behind him which prevented him from getting YAC. Had Tanne put it in front of him, like he was supposed to, that could have been an even much bigger play and possibly a long TD. With the defenders tight on Wallace, it had to be ahead of him. It was still a decent play, so I was happy, but it certainly could have a much bigger play.


    A few plays later, Tanne tries a deep pass to Wallace down the middle. Wallace was COLLEGE OPEN(thanks Sec) and Tanne threw it like five yards too short and it was a pick. Walllace's fault? LOL!
     
    MrClean likes this.
  17. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

    5,602
    3,613
    113
    Nov 22, 2007
    HE caught it and dragged his feet...it was decent technique but a longer WRs feet are inbounds...a slightly better throw and its not necissary...a perfect throw and Wallace is running through the back of the endzone throwing the TD ball into the crowd.
     
  18. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

    4,796
    2,760
    113
    Feb 27, 2012
    Miami
    That ball should have been caught in bounds, plain and simple. Also, btw, Tannehill threw that particular ball on the run while being chased out of the pocket, he didn't try to be perfect or make a nervous pass, he tried to make a play and a play was there to be made.
     
    bran likes this.
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

    35,071
    25,542
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    Brian doesn't fall down until after he gets the ball
     
    77FinFan likes this.
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    Can you blame Tannehill for trying to get it perfect in stride? Every time he underthrows Wallace by a mere 3 or 4 feet (on a 180 foot throw), Wallace ends up recognizing it late, jerking suddenly and awkwardly to a stop, and either making a catch and going to the ground for no YAC or just not catching the football...and then everyone in the world is like oh there goes Ryan Tannehill underthrowing Mike Wallace again.

    All professional wide receivers, no matter what they're paid, are supposed to have sideline awareness and are taught to keep their feet inbounds. All of them. From the minimum players all the way up to the $17 million salaried ones. As Dupree said, professionals catch that ball inbounds.
     
  21. traderdave

    traderdave Football is life

    55
    20
    0
    Sep 6, 2014
    South Florida
    He played with a lot of fire and had the opportunity to catch the ball all over the field. He's the lead dog, so Tannehill needs to keep getting him the ball.
     
  22. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Well one thing is absolutley certain...its amazing how different..different people see the exact same play.
     
  23. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

    47,401
    72,519
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Miami, Florida
    Professionals also don;t throw their WR toward the boundary when he has his man beat by 5 yards and there is no safety to be found.
     
    MrClean and DPlus47 like this.
  24. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Technically...

    They are both professionals..just saying
     
  25. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

    4,796
    2,760
    113
    Feb 27, 2012
    Miami
    Sect, I'm pretty sure Tannehill was scrambling right escaping pressure and threw on the move. Can't fault him for the throw not being on an absolute tee.

    Wallace could and should have kept his feet inbounds.
     
    Superself likes this.
  26. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

    47,401
    72,519
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Miami, Florida
    You can compare him to Roethlisberger and just say...well..he isn't Big Ben...

    Or you can realize it takes less than 4/10's of a second to set your plant foot and Tannehill has a decent release. It wasn't a "desperate" throw.
     
    MrClean likes this.
  27. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    That's a great point Sumlit.

    The play is a bootleg play-action and Tannehill is rolling to his right after the play-fake, and he had a defender breathing down his neck so he had to make that throw all arm on the run without properly setting his feet.

    And we're talking about Tannehill's throw rather than the fact Mike Wallace has no sideline awareness.

    Reminds me of this play against the Bucs which everyone blamed on Tannehill for throwing it "out of bounds".

    [​IMG]

    It's only out of bounds if you have no sideline awareness.
     
    dolfan22, RoninFin4 and Sumlit like this.
  28. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

    4,796
    2,760
    113
    Feb 27, 2012
    Miami
    I might be wrong, I don't have the replay with me, but he was getting chased from behind by a rusher and he just flung it on the move. Don't know if he had time to stop his momentum, plant and throw. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But still, that's a place Wallace should make, regardless of what happened before.
     
    dolfan22 likes this.
  29. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    Actually it was because as he turned around off the play-fake he had a guy chasing him and breathing down his inside shoulder. He was completely unable to set his feet and had to throw the ball on the run. If he'd set his feet and stopped, he'd have been hit.
     
    dolfan22 likes this.
  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    You were correct. Vince Wilfork had seen the play-fake and ran toward where Tannehill was going to set up. To avoid him, Tannehill had to run further to his right and keep running while he threw the ball rather than stop and set his feet.
     
    vt_dolfan and Sumlit like this.
  31. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member


    Actually.....thats exactly what Green said now that I think about it. Im pretty sure he said Wilfork was getting ready to pop him, and he did NOT have time to set his feet and throw...
     
  32. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I dunno....if Im getting ready to be hit by this man:


    [​IMG]

    Id be pretty desperate to get rid of it...
     
  33. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    That's exactly right. I wasn't really listening to the game commentary to be honest. I had the baby while I was watching the game. He couldn't set his feet to throw and had to run further out to the right in order to avoid Wilfork.

    But hey, that's football. Stuff doesn't go exactly as you draw it up. Tannehill didn't get a perfect setup because a savvy guy like Wilfork read the play-action boot and ran out to Tannehill's spot. You've still got to make the throw.

    The thing is, he DID. And he didn't underthrow the thing to where Revis could've got back into the play. He threw a catchable football.

    So now you turn it on Wallace and say hey, that's football. Stuff doesn't go exactly as you draw it up. Your quarterback got pressured, couldn't set his feet, had to throw on the run and the ball is about 3-4 feet wider than it ideally should be on this 160 foot throw. It's still inbounds and you still have the opportunity to make the catch and get your feet in.

    He DID NOT do that.

    It's been mentioned about seeing very different things on the same play but I think both of us acknowledge Wallace didn't get it 100% right and Tannehill didn't get it 100% right. Where we differ is the relative "size" or significance of the two mistakes. Wallace's mistake was much, much, much, much bigger.
     
  34. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

    47,401
    72,519
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Miami, Florida
    and that might be why Ben Roethlisberger completes deep balls.

    As for the throw being "desperate" . What we may think is desperate and difficult really isn't for professional quarterbacks.
     
    MrClean likes this.
  35. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member


    How I see it is.....given the variables of the play...throwing on the run....not getting the time to set your feet, Tannehill threw a ball that was good enough to get caught. It wasnt perfect, but ...

    Are we only looking for receivers that can catch the ball when its thrown perfectly to them? Go back and look at most NFL game tapes yesterday....look at the QBs completions and tell me how many were perfect? Less then 10%?
     
    bran likes this.
  36. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    Ok so you think getting the ball about 3 or 4 feet wider than ideal on a 160 foot throw at a dead run with Vince Wilfork breathing down your neck is a worse sin than a receiver catching a ball that came down inbounds and stepping out with his feet rather than making sure to keep his feet inbounds.

    Got it.

    Moving on.
     
  37. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007


    This is the point that SO MANY people overlook whenever we get into one of these Mike Wallace debates.

    Literally I would suggest people do exactly what you say watch those other receivers do it for other teams and tally up how often those receivers have it "perfect".

    Or hell just watch Tom Brady complete a deep underthrow to Julian Edelman against the Dolphins, but it not end up looking like an underthrow because Julian Edelman actually (*GASP*) found and adjusted on the ball in the air.
     
    heylookatme likes this.
  38. finwin

    finwin Active Member

    943
    193
    43
    Apr 30, 2013
    Jamestown, NC
    Tannehill has an accuracy problem with the long ball he has a below average completion rate with those passes. That's what the stats, coaches, and pundits say. He needs to continue to improve on his inconsistancies and accuracy. It was show that he could throw balls through moving hoops at various distances and so he was picked 8. When you add pads and pressure, from what I see, he has been inconsistent with various throws, not just the deep pass.
     
  39. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    39,161
    21,798
    113
    Nov 29, 2007
    San Diego
    How about we accept they both made a mistake on the play. Why is it just one or the other. Both are to blame. Throw that could have been better, catch that should have been better.
     
  40. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    78,855
    154,218
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    Everything you just stated agrees 1000% with what I've stated about the play in this thread. Especially your choice of "could" versus "should" at the end.
     

Share This Page