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PS4 unveiling Feb 20th

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by finyank13, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I am obviously very late to this party because I saw it in yahoo, and whenever you see anything on yahoo, you are late.....

    But anyway I guess Sony is having an event to unveil it and I would assume hopefully show it off. Some changes besides the unreal engine, they say is to make it more social media friendly.....

    Very interesting to see this and cant wait for the 20th. Wonder when the launcg date and price point is going to be, hopefully we will find out on the 20th.

    https://us.playstation.com/meeting2013/

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/31/3938830/playstation-meeting-2013
     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    If launch price is over $400 I won't be getting it. And there needs to be some unique games for me to get it at launch, because I doubt it'll be any more powerful than my PC (if even that powerful).
     
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  3. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Unless you have cash burning holes in all your pantaloons, wait till it's out a while. That way you can get all the PS3 games at a great discount.
     
  4. MikeHoncho

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  5. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Next madden will probably make a lot of people buy it. I will wait. I never like getting the first gen release of a console. See Xbox and the RROD, etc.

    I will wait for sure, but will end up getting it eventually. I use my PS3 as a bluray player more than anything since i do game on PC, but you gotta have ps4 :)
     
  6. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Rumor mill is saying 350, but I doubt that very highly Pete....
     
  7. gunsmithx

    gunsmithx Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    From what I hear 399 is very likely with maybe a premium model for 450 to 499.

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  8. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    So, this will be a pretty interesting hardware generation.

    Kaz Hirai once hinted that Sony wouldn't mind launching last again, but this announcement seems to contradict that. Either the hint was misinterpreted, or something happened where Sony felt like they either could or had to make this announcement. Possibilities: Sony's hardware is delayed and they want to announce first to create the impression that they're ahead of Microsoft; alternatively, Sony may know about Microsoft's Xbox Next production difficulties and feel like they can stick to their original timeline and beat MS to market.

    Microsoft is in an interesting position. In order to release a new console this year, they supposedly had to meet a manufacturing deadline of December 31. They've purportedly met that, but just barely. They could wind up releasing this year, but in very limited quantities. If that's true, and if Sony knows it's true, this is a nice opportunity for them.

    It looks like AMD has won the contracts for all three consoles in this cycle. There's an AMD GPU in the Wii U, and it appears that the PS4 and X720 are using an AMD combo CPU-GPU called a System on a Chip: basically, the CPU and GPU are all on the same piece of silicon, rather than separate chips on a bigger motherboard. This is the same engineering concept that goes into Apple's A4/5/X chips, Nvidia's Tegra line, now Intel's Core series, etc. Basically, consoles are purportedly going to start looking like cell phones from an engineering standpoint. If AMD is providing the SOC for the PS4, then it should be easier to develop for than the PS3, at the price of backwards compatibility. But that would also be true of the X720, so it's not necessarily an advantage.

    There's some semi-informed speculation that Sony is at least considering getting rid of the optical drive and going fully over to digital downloads. I'm skeptical of that: there is no negative to including a fast Blu-Ray drive. But improving the PSN storefront along the lines of Steam would be a big deal, especially now that Valve is making Steam hardware.

    Lastly, I think whichever company is the best at software and services (not hardware) will win this round. Software is too important now, and you can see how Nintendo is taking hits because they're terrible at design and simplicity in their console software.
     
  9. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    that would be okay with me. I need the base one. I play games, watch Blu-rays on it, and occasionally will play online.

    That would be the 2 big questions I have and it would actually determine if I was to buy one per se.

    1) Can it play B/R disks? This is a must to me. I like have one machine that does 2 things. It is a space saver in my closet where all my components are.

    2) I would HATE all digital downloads. I like being able to go into a store and buy used games. Saves so much cash.

    Des, Wouldn't only digital downloads mean that everyone could and has to pay the $60 premium for every game all the time?
     
  10. gunsmithx

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    Every bit of current leaked info says both systems will have a bluray drive. We are least one or two gens out from an all digital console from the big 3. There just isnt the infrastructure in place yet in terms of broadband. Whats more intriguing is the rumors both can function as set top boxes for cable and you might see subscription plans for both.

    As for a digital only future just look at steam and psn both have sales all the time(steams tend to be better but psn offers plus with free games)

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  11. Laces Out

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    Probably wrong thread but:

    Microsoft is gunning to own the living room in this generation of gaming system.
     
  12. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I'm already screwed in this regard. :lol: I don't have room in my rack for anything else.

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  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Unknown, but I wouldn't bet against it. Blu-Ray drives are much cheaper and simpler to make now than in 2005/6, and they also read data faster. Their biggest negatives are that they add a few bucks to the price and that they force the console itself to be larger to accommodate the drive itself. Neither is a huge deal in the world of consoles.

    I think you should try out Steam for a few months. Games routinely get discounted prices, there are big sales twice a year, and games do descend in price. You can get Arkham City GOTY edition for $30 on Steam, for instance. And you can also burn backup disks. I think the equivalent of that on a console would be the ability to save to an external hard drive.

    The world isn't ready for digital-only purchasing, though. There are so many metered, capped, and limited Internet connections out there that it's not feasible to say "Hey, the only way you can get our 20GB game is to download it over your crappy Internet connection." It's a better, cleaner, faster option, but not ready to be the primary option. But Sony is already using digital downloads with the PS Vita, so it's at minimum going to be present and ready on the PS4.

    The real challenge is whether or not Sony can come up with a 10 foot interface and a store layout that actually works well. Sony's typically never been very good at software, and I'm not a big fan of the XMB or the new PSN store layout. Microsoft is better at this, and you can expect the 720's interface to look like Windows 8.

    Everyone is gunning to own the living room. The problem is that the Big 3 console guys seem to be bending over and waiting to get screwed by Apple.
     
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  14. finyank13

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    Horny geek here!!!
     
  15. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    That's nothing. If he were really geeky, he'd post photos of his home server or custom-built combo NAS and hardware router/firewall box. :lol:

    But the APC battery backup is a good touch. More people should have uninterruptible power supplies.
     
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  16. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    That's next lol. As is, the PC you helped me build works as my HTPC but I am getting close to maxing out my storage space.
     
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  17. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Hah. At this point you're best off building some sort of home server or getting at least a mid-range NAS, and using something like the Roku or a cheap custom built box as your HTPC. But since that's too complicated for most people (reasonably so), AppleTV it is. :lol:

    At this rate there won't be any money left over for the PS4…
     
  18. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    OK, let's turn this into the next-gen console thread.

    Edge Magazine: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray discs and new Kinect

    And they have what purports to be a hardware comparison between the PS4 and next Xbox:

    I'm not a fan of using x86-amd64 instruction sets. This kills any chance of backwards compatibility, and x86 (which is the instruction set technology used on your home computer) is legendarily awkward and inefficient. This feels like an overreaction to accusations that consoles are hard to develop for.

    Oh well, we'll see how this unfolds.
     
  19. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Interesting bits from both quotes. That no second hand market could be a huge issue unless it's like online pass where you can buy a new activation code (but even that would be troublesome for many people). The always online aspect could be an issue for some people as well.
     
  20. Desides

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    Buying a new pass plus the cost of the used game would likely come close if not match full retail price anyway.
     
  21. Tone_E

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    Here is some insight from Pach Attack on full digital. Not sure of his background, but he knows everyone in the industry and I believe he was a fellow exec. at one time.

    http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/i1sufe/pach-attack--can-ea-go-100--digital--

    Steam is a great service, well run, secure, and convenient, but I agree with Pachter, I think we will always see hard copies - my preference.
     
  22. unifiedtheory

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    Am I wrong in thinking that Playstation looks to have an advantage early?

    I'll always be a Playstation guy, I have managed to rid my entire household of all things Microsoft and don't plan on changing that any time soon.
     
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  23. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    It's too early to say if anyone has an advantage. Sony could very well announce and release first, but at a higher price.
     
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  24. peastri

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    I expect there will be options for both hard and soft copies of games seeing as that's the way it currently is, I can't see that changing. I doubt however, that Sony goes download only… remember the PSP Go? It lasted all of one day on the shelves down here, no exaggeration. They are however putting a big push on Playstation Plus accounts by giving away free full version games and good discounts on downloadable games. I'm guessing though, this is their way of getting people financially committed to Playstation come PS4 launch.

    I don't think anyone's scared of Apple anymore.

    I don't think you're wrong, I wasn't impressed at all with Microsoft at the last two E3s. Mostly with their attitude. They seemed a little too invested in their own reflection for for my liking; and I was a big fan. I'm hoping they were just biding time until next gen. Sony, on the other hand, I feel have been trying to move forward after recovering from the security breach a couple of years back. I think that was, motivationally, the best thing that ever happened to them.
     
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  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Retail isn't going away any time soon, but digital download is already the preferred method of content delivery: Steam, Netflix, Hulu, App Store, iTunes Store, torrents, the list goes on. Just because the gaming market is lagging behind doesn't change that fact.

    Like I said earlier, though, it's very difficult to switch over to pure digital distribution when so much of the world uses metered, capped, and throttled Internet connections. If you have a 150GB/month cap, are you going to blow 40GB of it downloading Black Ops? No: you're buying the disc.

    Everyone in the gaming market is frightened to death of Apple, especially those who are smart enough to see what's coming. iOS right now is the dominant gaming platform, and it isn't even close. There are more iOS devices than current generation consoles combined, and the App Store generates big profits despite having extremely low prices compared to console games.

    A $200 iPod Touch that stores and runs thousands of $1 games is the biggest threat to console gaming since E.T. The closest thing to a counter that the Big 3 can come up with is a $300 device that saves a few $40 game before you have to pay extra to store a few more, and a $170 device that runs one $40 game at a time.

    The gaming market is already changing fundamentally. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo's cooperation is not required for this to be true.
     
  26. peastri

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    I'm clearly not smart enough as I'm missing the bigger picture here. I'm no techspert, obviously, but I am practical. I don't see how doing something like this will crush console gaming. All I got from it is that you'll get an Apple style server, which I'm assuming will connect wirelessly to your multiple 'smart' tvs (I would assume they can connect to a wireless hub, if not I guess you'll have to call in your electrician to set up connections in all the rooms with tvs; assuming you even have multiple tvs which if you don't makes their selling point – pointless) all so you can play multiplayer angry birds? Sounds a tad inconvenient and expensive for the casual gamer to me, considering the only reason iOS has had any success is because it's convenient and cheap. I can see why Nintendo would be scared though, as that's a direct attack at their marketed audience – family.

    Yes you have a point, but you're talking about a vast difference in quality of game here. You don't buy an iPod to play games that's just an added perk and an average one at that. You also have to have an internet connection in order to purchase them so you should include any data plan, modem, router and installation costs into that point as not everyone has access to free wi-fi.

    Assuming Apple goes through with this and they make this hub affordable (debatable as it is Apple) they will run into the same issue you point out here. There's no way it will dominate the console market just selling iOS games (that will be a nice reality check for them), they will have to allow users access to at the very least the same AAA titles on XB, PS, Wii U and PC thus giving them the same storage issues. Then you have to ask, do developers want to have to port to yet another operating system? Then there's the fanboys/fangirls and trying to tear them away from their beloved hardware… My blind assumption here would be that PC gamers would be their main audience? Because they, unlike me, would understand how to best take advantage of something like this. How many PC'ers would convert to Mac, especially when they know the steam box is coming? Which presumably does the same thing but has the added advantage of housing their pre-existing library.

    On a side note, I don't know what it's like in the US but down here the base model iPod Touch is more expensive than the top end XB and PS3 (obviously, one would assume this will change come next gen, but then so will the features and quality of gaming).
     
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  27. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    You're missing and mistaking quite a few things here. I'll go in order that I see them:

    1. The goal isn't to "crush console gaming". The goal is to become the primary living room device. Apple offers devices that perform the functions of the dedicated boxes we call gaming consoles, in addition to many other functions. Apple's devices are cheaper both to purchase up front and to purchase software for during the life of the device, therefore, they have an advantage over a business model predicated on losing money on more expensive boxes and increasing the price of software to make up. Remember, Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo have all been moving towards adding non-gaming functions to their boxes. They do so less completely and less elegantly than they need.

    2. "Apple style server, multiple smart TVs" — No. Just, no.

    3. "multiplayer angry birds" — I'm pretty sure you intended this as sneering sarcasm, but Angry Birds has made over $100 million dollars and has been downloaded 648 million times as of May 2012. 648 million. Oh, and it costs $1.

    4. "a tad inconvenient and expensive for the casual gamer" — One dollar. 648 million downloads.

    5. "iOS… is convenient and cheap" — Wait, I thought Apple devices were more expensive than their competitors' devices…

    That's the dirty little secret that you aren't grasping.

    That "vast difference in quality"? IT DOESN'T MATTER. There is such a thing as "good enough", and App Store games are indeed "good enough" for a near totality of the entire population.

    Here's how the gaming market looks right now: 0.1% AAA titles (Halo, CoD, Madden) that make big profits; 39.9% "traditional" games that either are barely profitable or lose large amounts of money; 60% non-console gaming (mobile, web, Facebook, etc) that is "good enough" for almost everyone and generates huge revenues as a result. These demographics are why console gaming is in trouble. You can't sustain a specialized industry when all of the money is going to a handful of titles, at least not when the non-profitable games also cost millions to make. I don't know if you've noticed, but THQ and Atari have just both filed for bankruptcy. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last.

    This is the introspective equivalent of sticking your head in the sand and ignoring events that have already happened. I don't know how else to say it. You're stuck on this idea that people will only buy things that you deem are of high quality. Most people nowadays play games. Very few of them play games on a dedicated gaming platform. That's the problem with the gaming industry, and that's why they should be afraid of Apple.

    Oh, and you don't get to say iOS is cheap in your first paragraph but then say Apple sells expensive devices in your second paragraph. They can't be cheap or expensive depending on the necessary convenience to your argument at that time. They're either cheap or expensive, period. Pick one.
     
  28. peastri

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    This is what I don't understand… 'primary living room device', what does that mean? Does it let me stream movies and tv shows? Listen to music? Browse the internet? Watch videos? View and take photos? Play games? Run dvds and blu-rays? Can I connect with friends to play, compare and chat? Give me access to social media? Does is have both a local and online storage facility? What does it supposedly do that my console and/or tv doesn't already do? And what additional benefits can it offer me that I would actually need?

    No, not really. Not when you break it down. As I said before, as it currently stands, to use an apple device, iPad, iPod and or iPhone for its apps, you have to have an internet connection, I would assume this 'device' would be the same. So, you have to factor in the costs of an internet/data plan and modem, router installation etc. Also as Apple tends to lean toward restricting functionality you will more than likely only be able to use apple peripherals with this 'device' therefore you have to factor in those costs as well. As Android has outsold iOS in almost all major markets outside the US and UK this may make it a little hard for most people. Plus the fact that the lifespan of an apple product is generally around one to two years, maybe three if it's selling well. The console lasts 5-6 (longer for this current gen). So you would be talking about purchasing two of these apple things (yet to be named) and their peripherals on top of your internet data and setup costs in order to compare the cost with the console hardware.


    For the hardware.


    Yes, the iOS and the service it provides (access to apps) is convenient and the apps are cheap… see below.


    Perhaps you're right… the long road to mediocrity doesn't seem quite so long anymore.


    Companies go bankrupt all the time, it's not necessarily due to their products, it can also be due to mismanagement. Most of those assets, in THQ's case, were snapped up, some of which were at high prices $22.3M for Volition, $26M for Relic… I can't assume they were bought to fail. And Atari has been drifting between rights owners since its inception. The only thing that surprised me about this was that they were still around.

    Well, I never said that. If I had it my way everyone would buy Bioware and nothing else. Alot of people bought Halo 4, and… well… let's just say I didn't think that about that.

    Perhaps you've hit the nail on the head there… Perhaps that's not the problem but the way it has always been. Perhaps the console market are trying too hard to hit a market that doesn't exist i.e.: the 'most people' who squander their dollars on apps, would these people play games at all if they weren't convenient and cheap? And how do you convince them to buy some form of hardware that consolidates those devices when the main reason they're buying/using them is to fill in time in the waiting room, on public transport or during work hours? I don't think you can.

    iOS is an operating system not a device. I can say they fall into two price brackets because they do...

    [​IMG]

    As you can see, more expensive hardware, cheaper software. Given, Apple are cheaper now than they used to be.
     
  29. Desides

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    The term refers to whichever box in your living room you interact with the most. This box will almost certainly be an outreach from the world of mobile computing, given that the traditional consumer box makers are ailing and failing, and mobile makers are already trying to move in.

    Yes, really. I'm not even going to respond piece by piece to your supporting paragraph, as basically every word contained within is a false assumption or simply incorrect. Your incorrectness seems to stem from the fact that you're attempting to counter-argue a concept you admit you know nothing about—evidenced by your asking what "primary living room device" refers to.

    The hardware is inexpensive and lasts years. A $200 iPod Touch given as a Christmas gift lasts easily four years. A $300 console given as a Christmas gift, well… ask Microsoft what the value is there.

    You can thank overpriced junk console games for that.

    In that case, point proven. Though you make a mistake when you view the THQ and Atari incidents as isolated. They aren't.

    You didn't have to say it. It was the central concept in your argument about the relevancy and preference of dedicated console gaming. You would not have made the argument if you didn't think it. Fact is, a gaming-only box is no longer the preferred method of playing video games, and the quality gap between dedicated and non-dedicated devices not only does not matter to the extent you think it does, but also does not exist to the extent you think it does.

    Epic Games made Unreal, Unreal 2, multiple iterations of Unreal Tournament, and Gears of War. Yet their most profitable game ever is Infinity Blade, which costs $7.

    This is why dedicated console gaming is in trouble, specifically from the creep of mobile into the living room.

    You make the mistake of globally applying Australian retail prices to the rest of the world. You also make the mistake of simply looking at MSRP as if it were the sole and total amount of money one invests in a product. Retail price is merely the cost of entry, not the cost of ownership.
     
  30. peastri

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    Some valid points and some obviously didn't get where I was going points but points nonetheless. We could go on forever because we're getting sidetracked so I'll cut to the chase... What I want to know and what you still haven't answered is... HOW is Apple going to own the living room? It's a pretty big statement so it intrigues me. I'm getting alot of vague, it's going to do stuff that the consoles can't do and everyone is terrified of them etc. but no straight answers. It's a genuine question, not me trying to be a smart arse. If there is no answer or noone really knows, then the statement, until proven, is false. I would like to see Apple succeed again, I'm no Mac hater I have supported them passionately for many years. More recently however, I fell they have let me down with what feels like a lack of ingenuity. I feel like I'm just being offered the same thing on repeat.
     
  31. Laces Out

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    So other than updated chipsets and better graphics, what will a new system offer me that my PS3 doesn't already offer? I already use it for Netflix, BluRay, MLB, SEC etc.

    EDIT: I feel like the 'one box for all things' is just :words: to get more consumers into consoles.
     
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    Desides Well-Known Member

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    This question is proof that you're fundamentally misinterpreting me.

    I'm not saying Apple is going to own the living room. I'm saying that they will make a push, and that they've already beaten the consoles at the act of gaming, therefore whatever they come up with will likely relegate dedicated gaming consoles to irrelevancy. Nor is Apple the only company trying to get into the living room. Google has been trying half-assedly for years with Google TV, there are cheap boxes like Roku which work well, and the TV makers are pushing "smart TVs" (which are actually really dumb) to fend off challengers.

    You're asking me not only to provide evidence of something I'm not asserting, you're also asking me to look into a crystal ball and tell you the future. I'm not trying to tell you the future, I'm telling you the present.

    Maybe we'll find out in 10 days.
     
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  33. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Hey if it doesnt work out, you can always buy the next generation Wii......:shifty:

    [video=youtube;JkdqL2rhWns]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JkdqL2rhWns#t=16 2s[/video]
     
  34. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Kotaku thinks they're a legitimate news outlet again.

     
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    If the new 360 requires Kinect I may just switch to PS4 next gen... Just not a fan of the camera nonsense.
     
  38. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The Wall Street Journal is claiming that the PS4 will stream PS3 games. The article is subscriber-only, so here's The Verge:

     
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    Anybody know what time this thing is tomorrow?

    Des, is The Verge going to do the live blog they do alla with the iPhone? That is a very great thing they got going over there.....

    Naturally I have a follow up appointment with my surgeon who did my shoulder surgery tomorrow that I forgot about....:angry:
     
  40. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    6 PM Eastern time apparently.

    Live blogs aren't exclusive to The Verge. If they don't, then very likely someone like IGN will.
     

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