I wanted to address something that troubled me on the POFO forum (I originally started to do so there but then I thought it was out of place), and I thought maybe this was the place. I’m not arguing here, and I could be off-base. I know the apostle Paul, in prison, wrote that he was just happy people were talking about Jesus or the message about Christ (even if he didn’t necessarily agree with exactly everything said or every way it was painted. And perhaps that's the way I should be here. But then again… here goes. Here were some of the quotes that I’m referencing – and all these are from the Christian side (if you’d like to read the whole exchange, go to POFO, and it's probably unfair if you don't, but I can't post every quote): resnor (and Doc, I guess), First, I'll say this: Jesus is Lord. In that, I think we agree. And just to start with some disclaimers, I'm probably the last person that needs to say stuff, and you're welcome to take it with a grain of salt or throw it away or attack me. I'm a hypocrite, a sinner, a fake, a liar - every bad thing you can label me. But I'm also redeemed, or being redeemed, as I live and breathe. Saying that, I agree in principle about showing and telling others about Christ. He commissioned His followers to do so (and I appreciate you doing so). His coming, death, and Resurrection are the # 1 greatest event in humankind's history, so much so as to make anything else almost non-existent in comparison. At the same time, what does it mean to be His follower (a Christian as we're called)? More than anything else, shouldn't we act as He acted? Time after time that I can think of in His associations with others He exhibited love and compassion, especially relative to a person's sins. Yeah, He took on the institutions that were obstructing people's path to the One True God (who He Himself was/is) -- the Pharisees, the Saducees, the Temple traders, scribes and teachers of the Law, etc. -- but individually, to each person he came in contact with, He showed concern, love, and care. -- People at a Wedding - He gave them more wine, the best wine (although it may be offensive to Christians for people to be drunk and if I was betting, I'd hazard a guess to say there were some drunk folks at that wedding, and some drunk off the wine Jesus made) -- The Woman at the Well - With only slight admonition, He simply told her He offered Living Water (although it may be offensive to Christians to be a fornicator, adulteror, or living with someone other than a spouse) -- Nicodemus - He told a Pharisee, one on one, how much He/God loved the (sinful) world in one of, if not the, most precious discourses in the Bible (although Nicodemus was a part of the prideful, hypocritical institutions that Jesus railed against and Christians should be offended about if there are such today - and there are) -- Zaccheus - He invited Himself to eat with the tax collector who had stolen from others (although it may be offensive to Christians for people to steal) -- Peter - His denier He instantly forgave and made Him the rock of the Church (although it may be offensive to deny Christ) -- Rich Young Ruler - Jesus looked on him, most likely one of the reprobate, in compassion (although it may be offensive to Christians for people to hoard their wealth) -- Judas - While Christ knew Judas would betray him from the beginning, He walked with, taught, and loved Judas as one of His disciples for three years (although it may be offensive to Christians to betray Christ) -- Saul/Paul - Christ came to him on the road to Damascus where he planned to execute followers of Christ and converted Paul then and there (although it may be offensive to Christians for people to kill them) People should know they are sinners (or at least claim Jesus as Lord - Romans 10:9) to be saved, but who makes people aware? Is it not the Spirit of God that awakens a man's/woman's soul to see his/her true self? If it's me, if I do it myself, I'd almost have cause to brag. Everything is grace, is it not? And as far as sin being offensive, which it is to God I realize, He's still bigger than it in such a way that sin really has little bearing to Him. He has conquered it. I have enough sin in me that needs to be dealt with on a consistent basis that I know pre-marital sex being offensive and homosexuality being offensive are just drops in the bucket. What I need to do more than anything else is not harp on that other stuff, but follow what Christ said were the two most important commandments. Love God. Love others. If I spent all my time doing that, I'd have less of the bad stuff into which to be delving. I guess, if we want to rationalize it, we can say we're loving them when they think we're telling them they're going to hell, but that's not the sense of what I see in Jesus' actions at all. I see no condemnation there. In fact, although both Old and New Testaments have laundry lists of the Sin in us and sins in us that keep us from God, it always seems like Jesus looked beyond that (though not altogether ignoring it) and showed His True Self through His relationship with each of the persons He dealt with. Even with the "stiff-necked" verbiage, God had a long and tried relationship with the Israelite people before He called them stiff-necked. Once you have that relationship, it's a little easier to digest. I'm not saying not to witness/evangelize on a forum such as this (I'd never say that), but it just seems to me that referencing Jews as "stiff-necked" and singling out homosexuality and pre-marital sex as offensive because of the political aspects as opposed to all the other plethora of sins that could be named before having built a relationship, even if it's merely a relationship of respect built on posts and PMs, seems counter-productive. In other words, if people haven't seen you "being Jesus" to them or others they love, I think they'd probably have a harder time accepting what is said for someone whom they deem is some religious nut on a ThePhins.com POFO forum. (And I’m not calling anyone a nut [besides myself] – far from it.) I guess I’d just like to know your (resnor and Doc) thoughts or the thoughts of rest of the Christians in the forums here. There are many parts of the Body of Christ, I know, and some of them are silent on the back row of a church, some of them are in far off countries who have names I cannot pronounce, some of them are on Bourbon Street yelling through a bullhorn, and some of them are Dolphin fans on The Phins.com. I guess reading through this, some of it does sound like I’m judging – so I’m sorry for that. If all of this or any of this sounds condescending, just disregard it. That's not how I mean it. I just think the relationship part of being able to talk to people reasonably about the Savior of the world is important – and talking to people about Christ on a forum such as this can be a lot of things (tricky, intimidating, frustrating, loving, rewarding, sorrowful, etc.). I commend you for trying. You're certainly welcome to fire back. I'm sure I'm wrong in a lot of places and a lot of ways in writing this - but I just sort of cringed and was troubled reading the back and forth (of course, if I read enough on a lot of threads, I’d probably get numb to it) on the Palin's church thread, and I wanted to address my thoughts, illogical and unorganized as they are. If you want, just let me know yours. And then, maybe you didn't bother to read down this far, in which case, I'm having fun writing to myself. Lastly, if it sounds like I'm calling you guys out (resnor and Doc), I'm not sure I could help that. I surely don't mean this in such a way and hope it isn't taken as such. I just have a hard time with the whole pointing a finger, saying someone's going to hell, and then telling them they need to be saved by Jesus who loves them. That just sounds off to me. resnor didn't do that, but I think that was the way it was perceived. Not sure what the answer is there (although I know WHO the Answer Is), and I figure there are wiser Christian minds than mine on here to say what truly is wisdom here.