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Question of the Day-What Do You Think of Cam Play Calling/Decision Making

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin Fan In Cali, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/...7/11/29/question_of_the_day_what_do_yo_2.html

    Cameron arrived with the reputation of having one of the NFL’s brightest offensive minds.

    Injuries and inferior personnel have made it tough for Cam to duplicate his success in San Diego.

    Then there’s the pressures of being a first-year head coach and calling his own plays. The combination hasn’t made his job any easier.

    Regardless, there have been a number of head-scratchers this season. What’s the one that troubled you the most?

    Cameron’s sometimes-questionable decisions and playcalls might simply be the expected growing pains of a first-year coach with one of the NFL’s least-talented offenses. Or is it something more?
     
  2. Ducken

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    IMVHO it is very hard to make an accurate call on Cam this season. He has made some boneheaded calls, but with all the injuries, inconsistent play, and total collapse of the D, how do we know that those same calls would have been made if the D played just 3/4 as good as last year and no injuries. IMO he is in between a rock and a hard place.
     
  3. Fin Fan In Cali

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    I don't think Cam has done enough things for this team to say he merit's another year.
     
  4. sabanhater

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    Even if Cam goes 0-16, he gets another year. Look at our team.... the players we have are not that good. It's not Cam... if anything, give him credit for keeping this team competitive each and every week. Bone-headed calls..... yeah, there are a few that I questioned, but don't forget, he's a rookie as well. Give the guy time.
     
  5. Bruzer

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    See I am on the fence with cameron because first alot of good head coaches have started out there first season bad so I want to give him one more season to see how he pans out. Then again some of his decision making I was able to ignore but it seems to never go away and its getting extremely old as I haven't seen much progress but more a stand still with maybe slight decline on his decision making.

    I mean I think the guy should get another year from one stand point but as a fan I don't know if I could stand another season of this if it is the wrong decisions to keep him. Although this team hasn't had stability at the coaching position for a while now and if we go to changing coaches again who want their own personnel and players it will be just another setback in my opinion. I will wait for the rest of the year to pan out before I go on a riot to get him out of Miami or before I praise that we should keep him another year.
     
  6. jcthekid

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    I believe that to this point, we are actually worse than we were when he took over. When you have a coach in the highest possible position he can hold in his field, I should hope that there are certain basics, like clock and game management, that he has already mastered in making his way into the job. We have actually LOST games because of his decision-making and coaching (fail-forward-fast???).
    Unless something suddenly clicks down-the-stretch, then I would like to see another coach.
     
  7. Big E

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    Cam has made some TERRIBLE decisions. He had the 9th pick in the draft and wasted it on a pr. Anyone seen some of the players that were drafted after Ginn and how they are doing? Patrick Willis anyone? Signing Porter to a HUGE contract, he got released for a reason folks. I dont care what anyone says, I still think trading a pick for Green was a mistake, and it looks like a wasted pick now. Pep would have worked just fine. Martin has been a bust so far, plain and simple he isnt good at anything. Welker is having a great season for the Pats, he was our best player last year offensively. And now he let Chambers go, granted for a high pick, but what will he do with that? Look, I work for IU, I know his history, he talks a good game, but he doesnt walk it.
     
  8. dolphan117

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    Before Trent got hurt there were games where IMO the play calling was brilliant, not just good, but really really good. And we could do it because we had a vet QB who knew the offense.... Since Green went down its just gotten worse. Right now I think we are being very conservative because he just isn't comfortable really turning Beck loose the same way he would call a game if Green was still in there.

    That being said there have been times I thought the play calling was bad as well, even one game with Trent where we kept throwing that sideline out just about every time we dropped back. I was sitting there saying "corners are going to sit on, corners are going to sit on it." And sure enough they did, eventually Green was a little off on one of those throws and it got picked.

    Given the OUTSTANDING job he did in SD though I am more then willing to give him another year. With all the injuries we have had this year I'm just not ready to throw him out. Hard to evaluate a coach when he is having to play with so many second/third stringers.
     
  9. jcthekid

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    With all due respect, Green was horrible (leading the NFL in ints). He was playing like a rookie, when we were supposed to see a saavy veteran running an offense he was familiar with. He played poorly in KC after the injury, with the same offense that Huard excelled in when he was out. Then Green comes in here stinks it up. He might be a good teacher of that offense, but the fact that we gave up a pick and 12 million bucks is another one of Cams big mistakes.
     
  10. Kdawg954

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    Cam is one of the reasons we are 0-11 . . . I say with almost any other coach, we would have one a game atleast. But Cam really has blown some games . . . or better opportunities with his playcalling.

    With that being said . . . u almost cant get rid of him . . . .unless he really proves to be incompetent these last 5 games. He has had HORRIBLE injuries happen . . . the defense was in shambles earlier this season . . . something he was considered not having to deal with . . . and he has been unlucky as well.

    Cam has had some brilliant playcalling moments, and u gotta respect his eye for young talent . . . and with potentially the #1 pick . . . u already know we have loads of talent comming our way. U may have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I still think its going to come down to how Beck fairs these last 5 games. If he shows signs of being special . . . then Cam is a shoe in to stay . . . but if he is just HORRIBLE and we lose all 5 games . . . I wouldn't be shocked to see Cam go, and a new guy draft a new QB.
     
  11. SCall13

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    At the beginning of the season, it looked like the offense had made a lot of improvements. But it has nose-dived over the past 5 or so weeks. Yes, we've been bitten by the injury bug. BUT the playing calling has taken on the looks that are reminiscent Chris Foerster. When you are 0-11, there is no need to shorten the leash and go conservative. After all, what do you have to lose when the season is already lost? Now is the time to make the mistakes with the young guys and let them learn on the fly. Don't get them into conservative habits and make them tentative early in their careers. Especially our young QB and receiver. We need to be aggressive and we've been FAR from it. It seems the only time we are "aggressive" is on 4th downs. But I'd stop far short of calling that aggressive. I'd call that questionable.

    I'm on the "get rid of Cam" bandwagon. He just doesn't have it as a head coach. I'm not even 100% convinced about his abilities as a O.C. I mean, he did have Tomlinson to make him look good in SD.

    I'm of the mind that we should go after a proven coach - someone who has shown he can build a team, someone who can maintain a competitive group and get the best out of all of his players and can adapt to the abilities of the guys he has at any given time. I'm looking first at Marty Schottenheimer and then Bill Cowher, then possibly even Bill Parcels. Yeah, he's only good for 2 or 3 years where he goes, but he ALWAYS leaves a very good team in his wake.
     
  12. TiP54

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    I consider it decent.
    I mean..oviously its not amaizing, because we are 0-11.
    But it's not horrible.
    Even though...that pitch play on 4th and inches vs eagles was horragous.
     
  13. Fla Phin

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    Rookie coach aside.... he is still yet to impress me with his play calling and/or half time adjustments made to help them get their first win..
     
  14. phenomenalphin

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    Obviously it's not all Cam's fault that we're winless but he has made very questionable calls and has had horrible time management that has cost us some games IMO.
     
  15. cdz12250

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    I think Cam is in the process of finding out how many of his plays this particular group of players can execute. That's going to take a while.
     
  16. FINintheMOON

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    Agreed. There is SO much more going on in that locker room and on the field that we just don't know about. Given the team he took over and the collapse of the D in the beginning of the season, I believe he has the right to a second year...
     
  17. MrClean

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    I agree with you. IMO, Cam deserves no free pass this year. He took a team that went 9-7 and 6-10 the past two years and helped send it in the wrong direction. He had at least some input on personnel decisions and is totally responsible for all the questionable game time coaching decisions.
    Alot of people saying it's due to our lack of talent, but I am not convinced it's totally that and IMO the coaching is at least equally to blame.
     
  18. fins4o8

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    i totally agree with you. it seems Cam hasn't learned from his mistakes and continues makes them. i can understand being a rookie coach and you makes mistakes as you go, but atleast learn from him & dont make the same mistake over and over.
     
  19. FINintheMOON

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    Come on guys... Our season last year, 6-10, was truly the effort of our 4th ranked defense. Had it not been for that 4th ranked defense, we would have easily ended the season 3-13 or 2-14. Go back and look at the stats, or games if you have them available.

    Why can't you guys see the progression over the past 7 years? Actually I should say "Digression". Wanny took over a team that was a winning team, just like he did in Chicago, and ran it into the ground. The draft choices and free agents he added, and those he let loose, was the beginning of the spiral of failure.

    Then comes Saban. HE took what he had and we went from a 4-12 team to a 9-7 team. His draft picks and play style, the hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense, saved us from total collapse. We go 6-10 and this is mainly due to the defense that he worked with DOM on. The offense still sucked though and had sucked since Wanny. He knew he couldn't turn this team around and that is why he left!!!

    Now CAM comes in and we have an 0-11 record so far. However, Ronnie was on pace to win the rushing title with a vet QB that was also showing big game play. Now they are hurt and out. However, Jessie comes in and has had what, 2 or 3 100 yard games before he is hurt and then replace the QB.

    I'm sorry... I don't see how CAM has made this team worse than it was... We have lost 6 games by 3 points or less this year and 1 play, whether it be a holding call, false start, offsides, broken play or anything else that this team has committed, we could easily be 6-5 or even 7-4.

    Granted, CAM has made his mistakes in play-calling and even time management... But I haven't seen how those mistakes has cost us a game yet... And I have ALL the games recorded and have watched them several times each...

    Now if CAM starts the next season 0-4 or 0-6, I will be on the bandwagon for his head... But until then, I feel he deserves another year...
     
  20. NorFlaFin

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    Cam:

    As a OC hes done rather well considering his most dependable option Ronnie Brown is out.


    As a HC..ugh
    He gutted the roster; insteading filling it his players from his SD days.

    Defensively hes making Dom work with 4-3 guys instead of 3-4 hybrid guys needed to continue running that Top 5 defense. The on the field resets speak for themselves.

    Offensively; even thinking Cleo Lemon is worthy of an NFL start.:huh:

    Does he get another year?
    History says yes, although I'll bet we've seen the last of Dom.
     
  21. Desides

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    Chase Page and Jesse Chatman. Chase Page is on IR, and Jesse Chatman has proven that he's worth being on this roster.

    Not really a legitimate point of criticism, IMO.
     
  22. adamprez2003

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    I dont have a problem with the playcalling due to the new system, new players and youth on the offensive side. I think his inclination is aggressive but our players have faile to execute for the most part which is to be expected.

    I do however have a problem with clock management which is something that has to improve next year
     
  23. jcthekid

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    A vet QB that was showing big game play? Huh? Green was hoorible, I believe that he was actually the worst QB in the league when he got hurt. I know that he was leading the league in ints. Don't say it was the team, either, because he did the same thing in KC after coming back from injury. And Huard excelled in the same offense Green struggled with.
    Ronnie, with the help of Hudson Houk (sp?) and the improved o-line, flourished. Because of Cam? I don't think so. Cam the "offensive guru" hasn't even been able to lead us to a score in 9 quarters. We are 0-11, which is extremely difficult to do in todays NFL. We would not be had we not lost games due to Cams inability to manage a game.
    Moon, I respect your opinion, but I don't see one reason to think that we will be any better next year. Cam needs to go, and learn the game of football more as an assistant, then maybe give HC another shot down the road when he knows what he's doing.
    You can put some of the blame on past regimes here, for sure. But trying to use the past as an excuse for failing so miserably is just lame, imo.
     

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