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raiders second rounder, michael mitchell

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by anlgp, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. anlgp

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    found a video. this guy can lay some SERIOUS wood.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA"]YouTube - Michael Mitchell Ohio University Plan B Sports[/ame]
     
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  2. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    73rd ranked Safety that was expected to go undrafted. Oakland does it again.
     
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  3. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    Wow, looks like a Raider :yes:
     
  4. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    after the michael huff debacle...youd think they would learn
     
  5. anlgp

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    :lol:

    I agree it was a reach (very high reach) but at least the guy can hit....

    right?

    :lol:
     
  6. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    They did learn. They learned how to mess up again except it was in the next round.
     
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  7. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    You know he is a violent player reminds me alot of Sean Taylor in that regard. I think it was way to high for him. but he could turn out to be a stud. Remember Chris Johnson.
     
  8. B.Sebo

    B.Sebo TV Mastermind

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    I would take him above Pat White. lol.
     
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  9. DonShula84

    DonShula84 Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'm kind of rooting for this guy just because he was such a reach.
     
  10. anlgp

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    I'm not saying that it was a smart move by oakland. Just saying the guy can hit.
     
  11. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    He doesn't look that bad... I mean he has really good closing speed and can hit and tackle.

    BUT just think how frustrating it has to be for an Oakland Scout...

    YOU: "I like him as much as you Al, but we could get him later"
    Al Davis: "I don't know... I think we should just get him here."
     
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  12. New Era

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    It could end up being a good pick...

    It's not like your draft round is who you are. But chances are he will suck playing vs. top notch talent and be a special teamer. Either way he should have not been taken at least before the 3rd and only Al and Rick Spielman would even reach for him in that round.

    However if he pans out, he could be one of the fastest, hardest hitting safeties in the game.

    Time will tell...it's just really easy to question a guy picking when he is 200 years old. The only thing that comes out of his mouth right now is..."I don't owe you nothing coach, get out of here." "I like speed, did I mention I really like speed."
     
  13. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    in the words of kiper

    the raiders have no idea what the draft is all about
     
  14. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the raiders had the worst picks in each round lol
     
  15. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    The thing is that they could have gotten this guy five rounds later.

    Its a highlight reel though.

    And the Raiders have zero clue as to what they're doing. I read a quote the other day that discussed the war room in Oakland and how it was when Herschel Walker was coming out for the draft. The whole front office, at the time in the war room, agreed that Walker would be the pick. However, Al Davis bluffed and when there pick came up, the team scout had to go use the restroom. Well, when he came back, he saw on TV that the Raiders picked a linebacker from LSU I believe who didn't turn out to be so good so he asked Al, "I thought we agreed on Herschel Walker." Al says something like, "no you guys agreed on Walker. I'm the owner. I make the calls." That was probably about two decades ago and I'm not sure the war room has changed in Oakland. Al Davis is still calling the shots and I'm damn sure that he doesn't watch much tape.
     
  16. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Pat White round 2 takes the cake.

    At least Mitchell will get about 30+ more snaps than White :pity:

    I understand the move but correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we use the Wildcat to get our best athletes on the field because we didn't have all the pieces?
     
  17. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I think the biggest mistake people are making with the Pat White pick is that they are assuming he will be used in the Wildcat only. That won't be happening. Like I said in the Club Level when the pick was made, Pat White will be used as a slot receiver and while he lacks the experience at the position, he'll be running drag routes and finding the soft spot in the zone. I made this comparison earlier but they're interest in Percy Harvin continued on to Pat White. They want a guy who can make plays in space, period. Harvin is much more dynamic but White is also dangerous in the open field because he's elusive.
     
  18. anlgp

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    no it was to put the ball into the hands of the best players to give them opportunities to succeed.

    it was never mentioned by the coaching staff that the wildcat was used because we don't have all the pieces that part was labeled by others.

    at least that's how I remember it.

    the wildcat is not a gimmick offense.... it is not like the statue of liberty .. and besides for the most part it worked last year and we were very constricted with what we would do out of it (see, sweep run, run up the middle) now teams can't just load up the box and stuff the run...
     
  19. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Unfortunately, we have a glut of similar WR's who work better in the slot. Not a lot of guys who can make sideline grabs over defenders or in the red zone.
     
  20. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Yeah, we still need a red zone target and I'm guessing they have confidence in London.
     
  21. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Certainly would hope for a little insurance there at this point. London has promise but promise doesn't score points.
     
  22. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    And potential doesn't play on Sundays.

    ;)
     
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  23. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Listen there are so many WR's in this draft that play better at WR. There is no guarantee that White even succeeds as a Wideout. Its a very hard position to learn. Now I'm fine with using him all over the field he is easily are worst WR on the roster and maybe just maybe the 3rd best QB. I'm looking at John Beck to be traded tomorrow.

    I hope White succeeds but I just don't know how anyone can justify the pick at this time.
     
  24. anlgp

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    I justify it because they hold the position to make the pick and I don't.

    How in the hell did this turn into a Pat White thread :confused2:
     
  25. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Why do you think we still have Wilford on the roster!

    j/k lol.

    But seriously, while I dislike seeing bust out generally (I try not to wish bad on people), I do enjoy watching the Raiders flounder because of stupid stuff like this draft so far. What a mess of a franchise.
     
  26. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    :rolleyes:

    Okay thats how you handle things not me. I like to express my opinion on the matter instead of just going with the crowd and thinking its a great pick.
     
  27. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    Ridiculous statement.

    Stop being so dramatic. Pat White in round 2 is where he was projected to go he wasn't a reach and he is going to add a lot to the offense. The guy can throw the ball as well so if Henne doesn't work maybe just maybe he can become the starter.

    Did Sparano or anyone from the Trifecta come out and say that or is just speculation? If they did I don't remember.
     
  28. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    With 1 of our seconds would you rather have Anquan Boldin or Pat White?

    I'm quite White would have been there at the end of round 2 perhaps even 3.

    I fully believe Pat White can become a NFL QB with some work. I hope he see's the field more than just from the Wild Cat.
     
  29. late again

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    I'm not quite where you are; I'm somewhere in between.
    I want to think White is a great pick. I know he has talent and he was very successful in college...lots of rushing yds for a QB and decent passing stats as well. But....
    In order for him to be useful within our wildcat option obviously he has to be a part of our base offense. Now I do believe learning 3-4 routes would be enough to warrant attention from defenses - and as long as he has decent hands it wouldn't be so difficult for him to learn. Incidentally, Hines Ward played QB in college.
    He's also got decent enough size to line up at RB.
    However, IMO Ginn, Camarillo and Bess are going to be better options at WR. And Brown, Williams and Cobb are going to be better options at RB. So will we be limiting ourselves to have him on the field when we don't use the wildcat?
    Ultimately, I defer to our FO, but at this point I'm wondering about this pick.....just as you are.
     
  30. New Era

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    If White only plays QB for the Wildcat, he had better make a huge impact. Otherwise the pick is not good for Miami. There was plenty of talent left on the board.

    However if he beats out Henne next season for the starting gig...

    You get the point, I don't see him just as a slash player past this season. Chad P will lead this team this season. But next year is up for grabs between Henne, White & Pennington.

    I really think that Henne will have his hands full next season fending off White. Man it's great having all these QB's right now. We have a legit starter in Pennington. Then Henne & White both seem to have special talents.

    Let's hope we have 2 very good QB's for the future with Henne & White.

    GO FINS!!!

    LOVE THE DRAFT...STILL GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR!!!
     
  31. New Era

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    Miami drafts 2 WR's in round 3 & 4...

    Still think Pat White is just for the Wildcat. He is here to compete for the starting job, after Chad Pennington is gone.
     
  32. late again

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    I sincerely hope not. He's what - 6' tall? With our penchant for big OL he will have a very hard time seeing downfield.
     
  33. anlgp

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    he is, jeff ireland has said so. you can find the video on miamidolphins.com under the draft presser recap
     
  34. late again

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    Oh I know what Ireland said. I heard the same thing you did.
    I just think Ireland is blowing smoke up White's butt with that. I think Ireland is telling him yeah you will have the chance to compete at QB , but he's thinking "but once you realize you are too short and your arm isn't strong enough then hopefully you'll abandon this youthful folly and let us guide you"
     
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  35. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Look, if you think your going to have Pat White running double moves down field, your fooling yourself. He'll be running drag routes and he'll be asked to make plays in space. He'll be used in multiple areas.
     
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  36. anlgp

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    The raiders are not the only team that was high on this guy. Another team was debating on picking him in the third round.
     
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  37. New Era

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    I guess Drew Brees is just a fluke...or is flutie the fluke.

    I am pretty sure that Pat's feet can help him find lanes. If he had such a hard time seeing over a line. What was the height of his line at WVA?

    Sure teams would love to draft 6' 4" QB's weighing 225 lbs like Danny Boy...but they are hard to come by. It normally takes a TOP 10 pick, but in a lot of cases a TOP 5 pick.


    Matt S. (#1) & Mark S. (#5) both are 6'2"...that is still short compare to a 6'6" QB.

    The question is do they have what it takes to play in the NFL? We will see...


    Joe Flacco #5 QB (Looks to have a bright future)
    Height/Weight: 6-6/230

    Derek Anderson #3 QB (Might be done if he falls on the depth chart again)
    Height/Weight: 6-6/230

    JaMarcus Russell #2 QB (Can you say refund)
    Height/Weight: 6-6/260



    Carson Palmer #9 QB (Winner)
    Height/Weight: 6-5/230

    Matt Schaub #8 QB (Cannot stay healthy, but shows greatness, then takes a step back, could be from injuries...)
    Height/Weight: 6-5/234

    Kerry Collins #5 QB (Restored his career the past season, lets see if he sticks)
    Height/Weight: 6-5/245

    Jason Campbell #17 QB (Game manager, not much more)
    Height/Weight: 6-5/230

    Philip Rivers #17 QB (Great QB, him and Cutler both need nannies on the team)
    Height/Weight: 6-5/228

    Peyton Manning #18 QB (HOF QB, best since Dan)
    Height/Weight: 6-5/230

    Ben Roethlisberger #7 QB (Proven winner and plays up to his size every down)
    Height/Weight: 6-5/241



    Matt Ryan #2 QB (Looks like a great QB)
    Height/Weight: 6-4/220

    Matt Cassel #7 QB (Played with the Pats...lets see what he does with no talent)
    Height/Weight: 6-4/230

    Kyle Orton #18 QB (Average at best)
    Height/Weight: 6-4/217

    Matt Hasselbeck #8 QB (Injuries have derailed him towards the end, but was a very good QB for years)
    Height/Weight: 6-4/225

    Eli Manning #10 QB (Very good QB, just nothing special (HOF) like his brother)
    Height/Weight: 6-4/225

    Trent Edwards #5 QB (Not impressed at all with him. They will draft QB after TO rips his play)
    Height/Weight: 6-4/231



    Chad Pennington #10 QB (Solid career, injury bugs, great game manager)
    Height/Weight: 6-3/225

    Brian Griese #8 QB (Traveling salesman)
    Height/Weight: 6-3/214

    Marc Bulger #10 QB (Injury bugs, seems to have the talent, but looked horrible the last 2 seasons.)
    Height/Weight: 6-3/204

    Jay Cutler #6 QB (Very Good QB and just needs to stop whinning so much and fighting with his sister Rivers)
    Height/Weight: 6-3/233


    Tony Romo #9 QB (Good QB, just needs to win in December)
    Height/Weight: 6-2/225

    Kurt Warner #13 QB (Simply an amazing QB when giving time to pass)
    Height/Weight: 6-2/218

    Aaron Rodgers #12 QB (Good QB still has not reached full potential)
    Height/Weight: 6-2/220

    Brett Favre #4 QB (Retired for now...lol. Had to put him in...HOF QB)
    Height/Weight: 6-2/222

    Jake Delhomme #17 QB (Never really liked him other than a game manager)
    Height/Weight: 6-2/215

    Donovan McNabb #5 QB (One of the best today...can make extra time with his feet)
    Height/Weight: 6-2/240



    David Garrard #9 QB (Good season, bad season, lets see how he does this season)
    Height/Weight: 6-1/245

    Tyler Thigpen #4 QB (Showed some promise, but the new FO wants their guy.)
    Height/Weight: 6-1/225



    Drew Brees #9 QB (One of the best passers in the game today)
    Height/Weight: 6-0/209


    Some of the best QB's in the league are 6' 0" - 6'2"... But if you can find a 6'6" guy...hell yeah take him. But it does not mean he will pan out any better than a 6'0" guy. It's all about the skills and the DESIRE to make it happen.
     
  38. late again

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    Well I would say your research is incomplete and your conclusions are biased.
    It could well be said according to the above that the majority of successful QBs today are 6'2 or taller. The others are the exception to the rule.
    Two inches can be significant when your job requires you to look over and past individuals in front of you.
    I would think that it would be important to know the height of the QBs OL in order to form a complete opinion.
    Our OL is big. Smiley and Thomas are 6'3. The rest are all 6'4 and taller.
    If you do not think that matters then so be it. I happen to think it does.
    But again you are reaching conclusions based on incomplete research.
    Don't misunderstand me. I never said that it's impossible for White to succeed as a QB. However, while in the pocket he will have a hard time seeing over the heads of our OL. Cleats and helmets add even more height to players who are already 3-7" taller than the guy.
     
  39. New Era

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    Please look it up and post it. Start with Brees & Flacco...smallest and biggest. It would be really cool to know the height of the OL. If you want to...you know what I mean.

    While I wish football was a science, it is not. The intangibles are a large part of any player. While he might not see the 3-5 yard route as good as a 6' 3"+ QB, he is a playmaker. You are more than welcome to get the OL height for all the players I listed. I listed only the QB, based on the topic of him being to small to play the position. It is harder for a 6'0" staute QB to make plays in the NFL. But it gets easier when the QB can be mobile or even a threat to run. If he was only 6'0" and could not extend the pocket with his legs, then yeah I would say that chances are he would fail, unless he was just a great pure passer with finely tuned skills. White is not that...he is the mobile guy.

    Also if you wanted to be more accurate on the whole thing, you would need to add the variables like... How tall is the DL, LB, DB...after all at one point they will be attacking the gaps of the line.

    I just wanted to dismiss the ol' he can't play QB he is to small. I did not want to create a full scale replica model of each play, and team. Feel free to do so, to create your point. I guess based on what you have said that should be done for everything. Because without all variables, EVERYTHING is biased and incomplete.

    It does make a difference, more so on 3 step quick passes. But lanes open up on 5 & 7 step drop backs even more. The angle in which a 6' 0" tall QB sees is still worse than a 6' 3" QB. You are right about it being more difficult.

    Yeah but they all wear them...not just the oline. Just poking fun with you man.

    I just feel that he has a chance to be a QB in this league. Let's wait until the season starts, by then it could be well known, if he can see over the OL.

    Maybe they should just let him wear bigger spikes...just kidding.
     
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  40. late again

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    Or fit him for some platform shoes...:hi5:
    I've got to tell you, you've already done more research than I'm generally inclined to do, so thanks but no thanks.
    I'll leave that to someone who loves to do it like..........alen. That's something I could see him digging into.
    Truth is IMO the avg ht. for an NFL OL is probably pretty close from team to team, wouldn't you think? I just wanted to harass you a little.
    To be honest, I'm warming up more and more to the pick. The one sure outcome IMO is that it signals the end to Beck as a Fin.
     

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