Rank the Coaches!

It's like ranking the times you got kicked in the balls. As for me, I don't have a favorite instance of being kicked in the balls. I don't particularly like getting kicked in the balls. I don't rank ball kicking unless I'm doing it myself :up:

"SkapePhin wrote:

How would you rank all the coaches since Shula? (Leaving out Sparano since he hasnt coached a game yet)

Id rank them:

Jimmy Johnson
Jim Bates
Dave Wannstedt
Nick Saban
Cam Cameron

Damn, we have had some sorry coaches here as of late.. Honestly, I think you could flip a coin on Saban and Wanny coaching-wise.. I put Saban below Wanny because he ran like a coward out of here.. Though Wanny retired in a similar manner, but the writing was on the wall for Wanny and everyone wanted him out anyway.

Here's to hoping Sparano finally ends the crummy HC streak. I must say that I have gotten a good vibe from Sparano since he has been here.. He has never seemed in over his head (like Cam did) and he also doesnt come off as a puppet for Parcells (as I was scared he might seem)..

I don't think I could come up with a better ranking. I've seen people get "good vibes" about every new coach so this season, I'm just going to see how things go.

"Regan21286 wrote:

I don't think I could come up with a better ranking. I've seen people get "good vibes" about every new coach so this season, I'm just going to see how things go.

This is true.. I had complete faith in Saban his first year... But he completely destroyed that.. As for Cam, I always thought he was in over his head.. I never wanted him. I wanted Whisenhunt, but it doesnt seem like he is faring much better in Zona...

The players played hard for Bates. But it's hard to judge an interim spot. I guess Jimmy Johnson was probably the best one. Saban had the potential to be the best one, but would rather bully college kids than take on the challenge of the pros.

Can't judge bates at all. Circumstances too different. JJ isn't just the de facto best because everyone else sucked, but he was pretty good if you look back.

JJ, then way way way below is everyone else. It's hard for me to judge Wannstedt, because he messed up so horribly bad, we're still feeling it, and I believe he rode in on JJ's coattails. Any success he had was due to the talent acquired during JJ's reign IMO.

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Poop.

as gameday coaches:

Dave Wannstedt
Jimmy Johnson
Jim Bates
Nick Saban
Cam Cameron

As talent evaluators:

Jimmy Johnson
Cam Cameron
Nick Saban
Dave Wannstedt

"Rick 1966 wrote:

as gameday coaches:

Dave Wannstedt
Jimmy Johnson
Jim Bates
Nick Saban
Cam Cameron

As talent evaluators:

Jimmy Johnson
Cam Cameron
Nick Saban
Dave Wannstedt

I can live with that:up:

"SkapePhin wrote:

This is true.. I had complete faith in Saban his first year... But he completely destroyed that.. As for Cam, I always thought he was in over his head.. I never wanted him. I wanted Whisenhunt, but it doesnt seem like he is faring much better in Zona...

Same here, but I like the Cards this year and it's a far cry from what Cam did to us.

As for the whole differences in talent evaluators/gameday coaches:

Gameday coaches:
Jimmy Johnson
Jim Bates
Nick Saban
Dave Wannstedt
Cam Cameron

Talent evaluators:

Jimmy Johnson
Nick Saban
Dave Wannstedt
Cam Cameron

I think Wannstedt gets too much credit for what he did with the talent JJ had put together. He did the same thing with the talent he inherited in Chicago and he turned that team into a pile of crap just like what he did in Miami. I would even put Cam over Wanny as a talent evaluator. But thats JMO.

"Vendigo wrote:

It's like ranking the times you got kicked in the balls. As for me, I don't have a favorite instance of being kicked in the balls. I don't particularly like getting kicked in the balls. I don't rank ball kicking unless I'm doing it myself :up:

:sidelol::nutkicker:

"Onehondo wrote:

I think Wannstedt gets too much credit for what he did with the talent JJ had put together. He did the same thing with the talent he inherited in Chicago and he turned that team into a pile of crap just like what he did in Miami. I would even put Cam over Wanny as a talent evaluator. But thats JMO.

Ditto!! :up: Wanny is last in all my votes!

"Vendigo wrote:

It's like ranking the times you got kicked in the balls. As for me, I don't have a favorite instance of being kicked in the balls. I don't particularly like getting kicked in the balls. I don't rank ball kicking unless I'm doing it myself :up:

AWESOME quote! sig material right there. :)

as far as ranking, i'd probably agree with skape's list, but i'd put Wanny ahead of Bates. Bates was the popular "players" coach, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was a good coach.

Wanny was not a personnel guy, but he was a decent coach. it wasn't him alone that tanked this team, so i don't point the finger solely at him.

whatever... i'm just happy vendigo said that line. :lol: :knucks:

"texasPHINSfan wrote:

i'm just happy vendigo said that line. :lol: :knucks:

I aim to please :knucks:

"Rick 1966 wrote:

as gameday coaches:

Dave Wannstedt
Jimmy Johnson
Jim Bates
Nick Saban
Cam Cameron

As talent evaluators:

Jimmy Johnson
Cam Cameron
Nick Saban
Dave Wannstedt

I almost blew chunks man. :lol:

Dave Wrongstedt had the right philosophy. Run the ball and play good defense, but he would never trust his OC, and ran the ball way way way too much, and especially in critical situations. I love to run the ball as long as there is some balance but he killed me.

I would surely not put him last but first..... I'll pass

"Ozzy wrote:

I almost blew chunks man. :lol:

Dave Wrongstedt had the right philosophy. Run the ball and play good defense, but he would never trust his OC, and ran the ball way way way too much, and especially in critical situations. I love to run the ball as long as there is some balance but he killed me.

I would surely not put him last but first..... I'll pass

Sorry, I don't see anyone better at playcalling than him on the list. It's not that he's good at it, it's just that the rest of them were so horrible at it.

Wannstedt above JJ as gameday coach? You sure Wanny's the best playcaller (despite the fact maybe only Cam in that line had called plays?)

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Sorry, I don't see anyone better at playcalling than him on the list. It's not that he's good at it, it's just that the rest of them were so horrible at it.

The most unfortunate part about this, is that a good HC just mangages players, and the clock, and certain spots in the game. A great HC lets his OC/DC run things and add strong input.

"Ozzy wrote:

I almost blew chunks man. :lol:

Dave Wrongstedt had the right philosophy. Run the ball and play good defense, but he would never trust his OC, and ran the ball way way way too much, and especially in critical situations. I love to run the ball as long as there is some balance but he killed me.

I would surely not put him last but first..... I'll pass

Me too Ozzy. Wanny's approach were too simplistic and he wasn't good at half time adjustments. He was nothing but a waster of lots of good talent and the worst drafter I could ever imagine.

"Regan21286 wrote:

Same here, but I like the Cards this year and it's a far cry from what Cam did to us.

As for the whole differences in talent evaluators/gameday coaches:

Gameday coaches:
Jimmy Johnson
Jim Bates
Nick Saban
Dave Wannstedt
Cam Cameron

Talent evaluators:

Jimmy Johnson
Nick Saban
Dave Wannstedt
Cam Cameron

That's basically how I see it. Except I'd put Wanny at the bottom for talent evaluation, even below Cam. Cam's one draft wasn't close to as bad as any of Wanny's feeble attempts.

"MrClean wrote:

That's basically how I see it. Except I'd put Wanny at the bottom for talent evaluation, even below Cam. Cam's one draft wasn't close to as bad as any of Wanny's feeble attempts.

Maybe but I felt Wanny was much better at getting talent through FA and trades than Cam/Mueller. Plus, Cam really only had one draft so it's hard to tell if he would've bungled the next year's draft.