In spite of some blunders, I believe we have done the best overall job in the NFL of acquiring talent in the past two off seasons. I include the draft, FA's, and trades. Who has done better than us?
Your thoughts?
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yes we have:
1) Parcells is the finest football mind in the NFL & has assembled a proven group that work well together, agreeing on both basic philosophy & the blueprint of reconstruction by which they build.
2) year one the FrontOffices basically gutted the franchise right down to the the scouts. they began the project by replacing the planks of the platform w/ second tier & mostly special teams talent, then set about building the trenches. this drew some initial criticism but was the right way to go.
3) year two they began to finish filling in the many holes (left after gutting so many key players) within the guise of there already established philosophy of play & blueprint for reconstruction.
4) we currently have the trenches basically established, the running stable complete, a franchise QB & our defensive BF established
5) we need a PlayMaker @ILB & WR, a RedZone threat @ TE , a second NT to guarantee the rotation & another Guard, w/some coaching up to do. everything doable in 2010
We will Contend in 2010!westernnyphinfa likes this. -
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Not many I can think of. You can put the Vikings up there, but they really are in a different situation than us.
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Texans had a hell of a draft
Starters: Antoine Caldwell, Brian Cushing, Glover Quin
Play a lot: James Casey, Connor Barwin, Brice McCain
And that's just from last years draft.
But your really can't tell in just two years.Bpk likes this. -
I wouldn't say better by any means, but I actually think (please hear me out) the Jets have acquired some nice talent in the last couple years. They haven't done much with it, and one could argue they gave up entirely too much to get it, but they got some nice players nonetheless. Good thing for us, they are the Jets.
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It's a mixed bag, to be honest. The draft has been hit or miss, considering Merling has underwhelmed, Murphy is off the team, Pat White certainly hasn't lived up to his pick, Pat Turner can't see the field, and Nalbone is invisible. I think having Long, Davis, Langford, Smith and Hartline pretty much evens it out.
FA is also a mixed bag. They picked up Starks and Wake, but there's Eric Green, Ernest Wilford, Jakes Smiley and Grove (both paid and injury prone) and they got rid of Holliday. I don't know about Wilson yet, as he picked it up towards the end of the year and may be starting over Bell next year. There's the Kory Sheets pickup to look at too, as I don't feel the door is closed on that one.
As far as trades are concerned, McDaniels was a good pickup, as was Thigpen. Fasano and Akin looked good at first, but both fell off in a major way last year. That trade was the right one at the time, but it looks like both players will be off the team next year.
So, in summary, we've had some good pickups and some bad ones. Compared to the completely disgusting ineptitude of prior regimes, however, this front office looks great. -
parity is a word that comes to mind
only right thinking
& a blueprint for success can overcome it
the jets have neither, we have both
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We have like 4-5 starters left, a total demo job. Many of our young guys were thrown into the water, not knowing if they could swim. They have held up better than anyone could have believed. JMO -
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For the moment, back to the point of my thread.
Is there anyone out there who believes that another team did better than us, in the last two years, in acquiring talent?
Is there anyone out there who believes that Tuna, Ireland, and Sparano did NOT do an ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS JOB in the talent they acquired over the last two years? -
If we look at it in terms of new players that are good and that other teams would take off us given a chance, players who are merely warm bodies filling a roster spot, and failures.
First group:
Lou Polite
Jake Long
Davon Bess
Wil Allen
Justin Grove
Brian Hartline
Randy Starks
Second Group
Justin Smiley
Gibril Wilson
Tyler Thigpen
Fasano
Nate Garner
Third Group
Ernest Wilford
Eric Green
Jury Still out.
Chad Henne (I know there are positive signs, but you wouldn't mortgage you future to pry him away from the Dolphins yet)
Cam Wake
Donald Thomas
Pat Turner
Pat White -
hard to defend this line of thinking
too much there to even begin to evaluate in a post
the simple truth is we need more talent & will acquire it in 2010
usually takes four years to rebuild a team from scratch
I believe we are well ahead of schedule
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the Orca-5 have made their bones & are already among the best in the NFL
injuries in the trenches are to be expected, they normally play every snap
that is why they are currently developing seven starters, so they can rotate
the offensive line has been the most successful element in our reconstruction to date -
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I used to think that Ronnie Brown was unlucky - a finger getting caught in a guys helmet is a bad break. But, that was an ACL and a broken foot ago, and the FO has to be concerned with how much he'll want to get paid vs. how often he'll be on the field for us. -
i think our FO does a good job, spectacular - no .....
name one superstar we've brought in in the last 2 years .... you can't count Long with the 1st pick in the draft.
Pennington was a gift .... not some calculated play the FO made.
the FA pick-ups have been questionable ....
the road gets tougher though to go from good to championship caliber ..... there is little room for error - so the choices they make at OLB, ILB, WR, NT, S are so very important - and they can't afford mistakes at this point.
if they get it right this year or next year and bring home a championship, THEN i would give them the accolades they would then deserve. they only deserve an 'atta boy' right now. -
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there are teams who have done better ... look at our last off season, in all honesty - show me the superior job ..... outside of Grove, we settled for a lot of plan Bs and did not have a great draft (at least to this point).
an easier comparison is to just compare our defense to the JESTS, which of course is the reason they are in the playoffs ..... who did they add last offseason.
where they get props is from year 1 .... where there was broadscale changes required ... and the success (schedule or not) they were able to achieve from it. albeit, a large portion of that success was Pennington - and that was without a doubt, luck how that situation played out up in NY.
as i stated, its easy to make sweeping changes - its hard to make the small ones that bring you from good to great.
the biggest change they have brought to the organization is a change in culture and philosophy that i heartily endorse .... other than that - i'm sticking with my 'attaboy'