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Report: Colin Kaepernick Interested in Miami Dolphins QB Job

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  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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  2. OkiePhin

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    No way, no how do I want that POS anywhere near the Dolphins.
     
  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I just came to post the same story. I personally would love to see him in Miami. If we play horrible, it's Kaep's fault and his career is basically over. But if he carries us, then we're the media darlings. He's the PERFECT QB for this season.

    Here's something else to consider- Ross started a charity years ago that's basically everything Kaep has preached over racial inequality. I think Ross could actually help the guy a lot with his cause and vise versa. He would also have Stills lobbying hard for him...and he's our poster boy for how to support your community.

    I don't think it's a crazy consideration, to be honest.
     
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  4. Dorfdad

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    I don’t believe for a second that this organization which is trying to turn over a new leaf would want any of the nonsense or distraction that goes Along with Kapernick. It’s not the Patriots way therefore I don’t believe it would be ours either
     
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  5. Puka-head

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    Bring it. All of it. Have it out and let the Dolphins organization lead the way. Be the light leading the way. I would not be prouder of this team than if they had the balls to back up Ross and his RISE initiative by giving the NFL poster boy for that mission his deserved second chance.

    Calling Kaepernick a POS for the actions he has taken is Juvenile. A guy who was suspended for putting his four year old son in the hospital from his time in the whipping room just signed another multi million dollar contract. Amongst dozens of other women beating, child abusing, dog killing, sex traffickers in the NFL today.

    It's OK to disagree with him, not OK to discriminate against him for his POV.

    Thats the creed I grew up with and spent my time defending anyhow...
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Who is a sex trafficker?
     
  7. siciliansith

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    I will not support , watch, or buy anything Dolphins if Kaepernick is brought to this team. I don't believe in the way the cause they support is used. That said , many kneel and im ok. But there is more to Kaepernick. His support for Castro/ alienating miami cuban population. ( i do not believe in this millennial push for socialism) The police in this country while far from perfect get shot at, get overdosed etc.. Yes there's racism in the ranks but to protest a group for a few bad apples is exactly what the other side asks for why teh double standard. I never had a reason to switch teams in my 35 yrs as a Fin fan this would do it. sorry if it bothers people . But need to put my 1/2 cent in . Now theres a huge Veteren population that finds this offensive, and if every offensive thing is important to every group, why are the Veterans concerns any less important
     
  8. Pauly

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    Kaepernick demanded $20 million per year to play in the XFL. If we have to pay a QB that much money I”d rather have kept Tannehill.
     
  9. mlb1399

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    Please god no. A terrible QB and a distraction sounds like a horrible idea
     
  10. Surfs Up 99

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    You make some good points. I wonder if Kaep can be team first instead of me first? Those are they type of guys Flores and Grier have said they are looking for. It also doesn't help his cause when he is so openly in support of what Fidel Castro is all about. I am under the impression there are many Cubans in Miami, including Armando, who are deeply offended by that. This is a tricky situation for sure. If Ross doesn't push for Kaep he comes across as a hypocrite. If he does, he risks alienating a part of his fan base.
     
  11. Fin D

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    He is not in support of what Castro is about.
     
  12. F1Cobra03

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    CK can't even spell oppression and only started his crusade because his crazy girlfriend force fed him the platform. He sounds like an idiot when anyone challenges his views. Speaking about oppression while wearing a Castro shirt.............yeah that'll go over well in Miami.
     
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  13. F1Cobra03

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    Lol, you mean after someone pointed it out to him AFTER wearing the shirt while speaking against oppression? Yeah, ok.
     
  14. Fin D

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    Either he wore the shirt and didn't realize all the stuff that goes with it OR he was wearing hot for different reasons then you have attributed to him. Either way, neither fo those means he was pro Castro.

    The people that blast him for that are also the same people that blast him for kneeling. If a person blasts him for kneeling, then that person is closer to Casto's ideals than the US's.
     
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    Apparently you haven't heard him speak on either topic. He was his gf's puppet and it backfired.
     
  16. Fin D

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    No, I have. I stand by my point.
     
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  17. Dolphin Dundee

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    Yeh OK bring him in i'll take the year off watching Miami. I could use the break!
     
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  18. Surfs Up 99

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    Painting people with the same brush is a mistake a lot of us make.

    The point I was making is he wore a shirt with the picture of a guy many despise in Miami. He may have other noble reasons for doing so, but if all the people see is him wearing that shirt then they will naturally assume he is in support of the guy. Perception is reality. Kaep can say all he wants, but he will probably have a hard time changing their minds.
     
  19. Wilkimania

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    I'm against it purely because it would turn our fanbase on itself. We've just escaped one period of time where our QB was a source of divide for our fanbase, we don't need to immediately follow it up with another QB who would be an even bigger source of divide in our fanbase.
     
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  20. Vertical Limit

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    This is the dolphins not the patriots... people gotta stop writing that **** “the patriot way”. Disgusts me.
     
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  21. Fame

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    I've seen people on this board lobby to have rapists, murderers, psychopaths, bullies, divas, and domestic abusers play for this team purely in the name of winning. Now we're gathering pitchforks for a guy who's young, strong headed and perhaps a bit too socially active?

    Let's keep in mind that Kaepernick has done nothing more than simply voice opinions he has. He hasn't broken any laws or gone to jail. This world would be a much, much better place if everyone was accepting of the fact that different people simply have different points of view, and that's not a bad thing because we can all learn from each other.

    Aside from that, the guy hasn't played football in a few years, so the window is probably closed anyway.
     
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  22. mlb1399

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    He’s not very good, is a major distraction which most teams don’t want and whether we like it or not, veterans and a lot of people have a strong dislike him because of his political stance. For an organization who’s struggling to win and most fans have walked away from, it wouldn’t be a smart business decision to alienate more fans in what little fan base we have left.
     
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  23. Fame

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    This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't just make things up when trying to prove a point.

    1) You claimed "He's not very good." Kaepernick was pretty good. He had an exceptional college career and took the 49ers to the Super Bowl. By any definition that's far more successful than the Dolphins have been over that same period.
    2) You claimed "veterans and a lot of people have a strong dislike [for] him because of his political stance." What veterans don't like him? Can you provide evidence that supports your claim that veterans don't like him because of his political stance? I suspect the truth is, in fact, closer to the exact opposite of what you have suggested.
    3) Can you provide evidence that supports your claim that most fans have "walked away from" the team?
    4) Can you provide evidence to show that the number of fans that would be upset at the Kaepernick signing outweighs the number of fans that would support the signing? As with the majority of bigoted opinions, these are often most shared by a small minority as opposed to the majority.

    I'm not expecting a response, so that's fine...but going forward, please don't just make things up and present them as fact.
     
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  24. KeyFin

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    Very well said sir!
     
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  25. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    It's whatever the team wants to do. I mean....I'm sure Johnny Manziel has interest in playing for the Dolphins too, i'm sure there are a ton of former (but still young) quarterbacks that would love an opportunity to get back in this league. The key word being that "Kap has interest" not us having interest. I'm not completely sure what my actual stance on what he did is, but it's been a few years and the whole conversation and arguing over it has gotten rather stale. I do think if he were to get back into the league it would most certainly divide the fan base of whatever team it was. It is virtually impossible at this point for anyone to look at just the quarterback side of him. What he did, his behavior, and the distractions will automatically supersede anything else he does on the football field. It will be constant bickering and arguing over every little thing he does. Whether people view him as a villainous form of Fidel Castro, or a re-imagining of Rosa Parks it is going to be a distraction.
    The other question is do people think he's better than some of the remaining free agent quarterbacks? If one were to look at just the quarterback side of things, I think many would say yes....He's better than Blake Bortles, he's better than Kevin Hogan, he's better than Jake Rudock, but again you can't just do that with him because of the personal opinions individuals have about him. Those that dislike him will automatically say "Hell no he's not better than Blake Bortles, he sucks and that's why he's not in the league." Those that will support him will claim it's a race issue, and neither side heavily invested in fighting over this will change their stance no matter how many different valid points are made. It's also an argument that will continue to fester should a team decide to go down that road. I personally believe the guy can definitely still play the game at a high level had none of these things went down. He'd most certainly still have a job somewhere in the NFL, but again....That's not the case with him. The truth is he's most likely been blacklisted by the league, but not forcefully and only because of the potential issues that may arise from him playing again. It's such a touchy subject with so many people that even those who have a neutral stance on it such as myself are better off to just steer clear of any controversy about it.

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    Just to follow up on this, that is the hypocrisy of America...Kap doesn't stand for the flag, makes some controversial claims and he's done. People don't like that. It's a big deal. Tyreek Hill strangles his girlfriend, breaks his sons arm and signs a lucrative contract. But hey...he stands for the flag. Point being, there are plenty of guys playing in all forms of professional sports that have done by far way worse (borderline horrific) deeds than what Kaepernick has done. I don't make the rules though, and I can't change what galvanizes people. It is what it is.
     
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  26. pumpdogs

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    He offended the Cuban population down there with his pro Casto shirt.
    Not going to happen
     
  27. KeyFin

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    Let me clear some things up for folks- I've spent hours and hours researching Kaepernick. Long story short, one of my clients that I wrote a book with has connections to Kaepernick, and he asked me if I'd be interested in an introduction. Kaep desperately needs to put a book out there to tell his side of the story, but like many of you I thought he was a racist a-hole. I was not interested but did my homework anyway since it could be life-changing money as a ghostwriter (ghosts usually get 20% of the advance plus a royalty, so it could potentially be a million dollar + job.)

    Anyway, Kaep sat on the bench during the anthem for a pre-season game, and at that game they were honoring veterans. One of the vets asked for his autograph after the ceremony and they chatted for a moment. The vet said, why didn't you stand for the anthem? Are you hurt? Kaep said no, he didn't feel like standing for the anthem because blacks were getting shot daily in bad areas basically because they couldn't escape poverty. The government didn't care and he wanted to silently protest. The vet told him that when soldiers are killed, their peers kneel at the flag as a sign of respect, and Kaep should do the same. He liked the idea.

    Kaep then kneeled for the next four games before anyone even realized it. One media member asked him why and he told the same story he shared with the vet....and he specifically stated that it was a personal choice. He hadn't asked anyone else to kneel and when a few wanted to join him, he said no. He was okay with getting himself in trouble but didn't want anyone else to be judged for his beliefs. So for awhile, he kneeled alone and did not talk to the media about it unless asked.

    But even then, the media sensationalized his words grabbing one small quote, twisting it and turning it into headlines. The paparazzi went crazy following Kaep everywhere because he was the hottest story in the country, and on one afternoon they saw him with a shirt depicting Castro and MLK shaking hands. When asked about it, he said that leaders should strive for peaceful agreements no matter what the cost, and the reporter said that Castro was a vile dictator that's never done anything for his people. Kaep brought up Castro's dedication to education and said the US should do something similar....but the media completely twisted the story saying he was pro-Cuba and anti-American. I've seen every interview he's given on the subject....he never once said anything of the sort. He just said Cuba invests in their youth to help them escape poverty.

    There have been countless other inflammatory quotes out there- like blacks should be team owners because players should be represented better in sports. Kaep did say that, but it was grossly taken out of context. (he was asked, do you think there should be more black owners of professional sports teams? He answered honestly and the media jumped all over him for it). After a few incidents like that and the public getting furious at him for "disrespecting veterans an cops", he stopped talking to the media. Meanwhile, cops and veterans alike who knew his story would thank him for trying to make a difference.

    For the past few years, Kaep has continued to focus on raising awareness for inner-city youth and violence, with fundraising campaigns and workshops/training camps for kids. He's invested millions in his own money creating after school programs, etc. but the media has never said A SINGLE WORD about any of this stuff...EVER. That's because if you stop hating Kaep for things he didn't even do, then the media needs to find someone else to sensationalize and basically lie about for clicks.

    I will say this against Kaepernick- he is a complete fool for not sitting down with a major media figure and telling his story....or for not writing a book. His people have advised him against it though because he's not awesome in live interviews (hence, the Castro comment on education that got severely twisted) and the media is largely against him anyway. And if you look at his cause, to give poor black folks a voice and a way out of the ghetto....they're really the same issues. He could speak freely...but you wouldn't be allowed to hear his actual words or opinions unless he said something "damaging". So the media just kept setting him up, pissing him off and then getting social media gold when he got mad and said something dumb they could build a story around. And once the media turned the President of the United States against him, he realized that it's better to promote his movement from within black communities and with black influencers. He's raised tens of millions of dollars and made real change- but you have ZERO KNOWLEDGE about that because nobody reported it.

    Time Magazine even made him the man of the year and the major media remained silent.

    It sucks but if I'm being 100% honest here, racism won the day and did everything possible to kill Kaepernick's "silent protest". I mean, the man took a knee at the advice of a vet and never said a single word about it until the media hounded him for answers. I actually went from completely hating the guy to respecting the heck out of him....he is actively making a difference in the world today despite some of the worst racism we've seen this decade. For instance, LeBron's school for inner-city youth that everyone raves about (he gives them bikes, laptops, 3 meals a day, full college scholarships, etc)- he did that after listening to Kaep and realizing the need for black influncers to step up.

    Over the past two years, Kaepernick has trained daily year-round in case a team came knocking on his door. He's about 15 pounds lighter/leaner these days and insists that he's in the best shape of his life. There is zero reason for any team not to sign him EXCEPT FOR public perception, meaning that the real problem is YOU. There are real problems in ghettos nationwide and we do need to talk about it to create change...but we can't do that with biased, naive media headlines controlling the conversation.

    And for the record, one poster said, "That's all stuff from his girlfriend...that's not even his message." Maybe that was true at the start, but he's owned it and did everything possible to create actual real change. From all my research, I honestly don't think the man is racist or militant...he's just tired of being prosecuted while standing up for a cause that effects hundreds of millions of Americans (including whites and minorities...it's not just blacks in the ghettos). He definitely is angry but heck, wouldn't you be?

    I'm not saying that you have to embrace Kaepernick or even change your mind about him, but we live in a free society where every single one of us are allowed to voice our opinions and concerns. Don't be the media's puppet and believe lies that were twisted to get clicks on major websites- that's EVERYTHING that's wrong with America today. You and I, we have lost our voice and our opinions no longer matter on a national stage. You may disagree with Kaepernick, but the man quit his job and gave up what he loved to say his peace...and you never even heard it. He sacrificed EVERYTHING so you could hear a warped, inaccurate version of his words.

    My friends, Kaepernick represents everything that's supposed to be great about Democracy. If we continue to let the media choose who matters in this country and what the story actually is, then we're already on path to being a Communist nation...with zero representation since we don't get to elect our journalists. Don't be that person- hate Kaep all you want, but don't be foolish enough to say he didn't deserve a voice as a black American.

    To me personally, Kaepernick returning to the NFL will be one of the most important stories of the decade. This isn't just about football folks and it never has been. I would be proud to see him in a Miami Dolphins uniform because that's the America I grew up in. Black, White, Asian, Hispanic- we're supposed to all be treated the same- our laws GUARANTEE THAT as a basic liberty. And for the record, I'm a white 45 year old middle class male....I have no dog in this fight other than standing up for the Constitution and what our founding fathers promised all of us.

    Kaepernick is flawed as a person and a speaker. He's certainly not a saint. But the man was black-listed by the media and the NFL because he wanted to make a difference in poor communities. That's not right folks....it wasn't 200 years ago and it's not today. Kaepernick desperately needs to be in the NFL so his actual story gets heard.
     
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    In my opinion, you completely fell for a "created" image after the fact. I noticed that you didn't mention the PIG socks? Cops "murdering" unarmed black males every day is a false narrative. The Michael Brown "hands up don't shoot" BS was pushed by people like CK and has helped perpetuate the myth. The real facts are out there. NEVER heard a word out of CK about the constant black on black murder rate in Chicago, Baltimore etc which is a legitimate problem in the black community. Do you know why? Not a sexy, controversial topic. He's doing everything he can (well, his advisers are) to help fix his image. Good luck.
     
  29. KeyFin

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    I watched every single interview he's ever given (that was posted online), plus read every single blog/article he's ever written. My opinion came solely from what I could lay eyes on from Kaepernick- and he's not the person the media portrays.

    Now you're saying we should hate him for some socks? If I came to your house and went through every article of clothing, do you really believe I couldn't find a single thing to be able to say, "Look, this is a racist jerk filled with hate and anger?" Heck, I still have an Iron Maiden tee from the 80's with the corpse carrying the rebel flag across a battlefield. I didn't even like the band, but a friend bought me the shirt and died a few years later (at age 21). I've always kept it because of him. Things change when there's no context to a story...and when the media follows you everywhere 24/7 for years. I'm not overlooking tens of millions of dollars raised for inner-city programs and sparking national debates over racial inequality over a pair of socks he likely didn't even buy himself.

    I'm sorry, that's the media thinking for you and telling you what to believe.
     
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    So you did fall for it? Got it. I didn't. You realize that he was making a conscious planned statement with those socks, right? Likely Didn't buy them is your response? Interesting.
     
  31. cbrad

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    It's pretty clear that neither side will ever convince the other on Kaepernick. There's no question in my mind that if Kaep were signed it would split the fanbase like nothing else. Those Tannehill wars will pale in comparison to the Kaepernick wars, and not just because of the politics. I predict his play on the field will show flashes of what he did in his early years, tempting some to keep advocating for him, yet be insufficient to be our solution at QB.

    Put all that together and unless you want this place to explode, don't sign Kaepernick.
     
  32. KeyFin

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    Please show me the footage where he bought the socks and shared his intentions. You have no idea how he got them or why he wore them, yet you're twisting it into a much larger statement to fit your opinion. And hey, that's fine....it's your opinion. But don't hate on me because I came to an unbiased conclusion after actually doing research.
     
  33. Wilkimania

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    The fact we're sat here arguing over the reasons behind his actions and whether he's right or wrong is the exact reason to avoid making him the QB. He's merely said that he's interested in being our QB for the upcoming season and already we have fans on both sides pulling up their arguments. If it's this bad on an internet forum when there's just talk of him being interested, then imagine how bad it could get in a locker room if he's actually on the team.

    I'm not saying that either side is right or wrong, but when you're hitting the reset button a team and preparing to go through a long joyless season, the one thing you have to do is keep the locker room onside which a decision like bringing in Kaepernick wouldn't manage.
     
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    I agree completely- it would be a media nightmare. If you know me at all though, then you know I believe in everyone expressing their views without being censored. For instance, on this site I fought for Tannehill, against Tannehill and everywhere in-between based on the conversations....when something ugly/unfair was said to one of our members, I have always stepped in...even if it wasn't fully what I believed. That's who I am and I believe in everyone having a voice that matters.

    Purely from a QB perspective, he may well be past his prime. And if that's the case, then he would be benched just like any other quarterback. It just angers me because we'll likely never know because of something 100% non-football related that was twisted into a gigantic problem. I largely hate the media because they do it every single day....they divide us as a country.
     
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  35. F1Cobra03

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    Seriously? He's pushing a false narrative against cops and then wears socks representing cops as pigs and you can't see the obvious? You obviously need to do some "unbiased" research. But I guess you have an agenda now. Speaks volumes.
     
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  36. Dolphin Dundee

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    Exactly Kap chose to sit on his *** in protest because he wasn't handed the starting job and he claimed it was because of racism. The rest is just made up BS he could of gotten better and earned his job back but decided to play the victim.
     
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  37. KeyFin

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    See the obvious? That's your agenda, my friend, not mine.
     
  38. F1Cobra03

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    I don't have an agenda......You clearly do.
     
  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Black on black and no narrative?
    At least own it
     
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    Just stating a fact. Nothing to own.
     
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