Interesting..how many points did he loose for the fumble? Would be interesting to see how they come up with that kind of rating.
Just for argument's sake: A few weeks ago we heard Tannehill and Lazor saying they were doing things in practice that might not necessarily be the "right go" which were leading to the increase in INTs in practice. While I certainly understand both sides od the argument regarding Tannehill's reads against the Bucs, I wonder a little bit on whether or not some of these throws/attempts are intentional? ____________________ On the example by CK: While I get the man in the flats was the supposed 'correct option', I wonder if there is something else going on? We're looking at getting guys touches in real game situations. Sims certainly needs them. Miami needs looks at these backup TEs to see who can secure that second spot. I preface all of this by saying I have yet to see the game and will not until tomorrow when it comes on NFL Network at 2am. Well, of course I will not see it then, but it will be recorded. I personally like the throw that was exampled by CK, but I do see his point. But in reality, it looks as though it is a one-on-one, with the other LB (the one closer to the right sideline) being a good 3 yards away and a tad out of position given Sims' route. These throws are pretty normal for a QB and, if I remember correctly, wasn't Tannehill pretty bad in the center of the field on these types of throws in the past? That confidence needs to be there. These over-the-middle throws may be designed by the staff so he gets a good feel for them in practice games against different defenses, hoping it clicks when the lights go on. I will be sure to check it out after I record it, but the throw/read does not look overly bad. There have been worse for sure. I know the main cover 'backer has good position, but you hope your guy wins those battles. In this case, he does. *One thing I do not like is his seemingly lack of pocket awareness. I absolutely hate that FF by McCoy. While I have seen Tannehill stand tall, I do not see this clock ticking ability found in great QBs. While he is athletic, he is not quick with his first step when attempting to escape and evade defenders within the pocket. He seems quite heavy-footed in that department......
I don't think there is, unfortunately. I think they're seeing some of what I was seeing. We're not talking about a whole lot of pass snaps. Only 15 dropbacks in total. In those 15 dropbacks you've got the missed read on Hartline on that rollout, you've got the sack-strip, you've got the bad decision that got bailed with a tip at the line. I don't know if they count the Sims pass that I posted a picture of. I would personally call that decision questionable, not necessarily poor. Don't know if they would count the Hartline PBU against him either. Again that's more along the lines of questionable rather than poor.
There's a bit of "Fail Forward Fast" in that line of thinking, but we all know there's a precedent for it. At least Philbin didn't take the night off so his coaches could practice a game without him in case he ever got sick.
Jesus, did CK kick all your dogs are something? Guys, he is right.Tannehil didn't have a good night. Hopefully it's just an issue of him learning the offense and what Lazor wants him to do. CK isn't saying he is a busy and has defended him on numerous occasions .
Probably what's missing are positive marks. Like I said he had a big play to Laron Landry but that was an easy little slant over the middle to a guy who had absolutely no defenders near him. He had some other good instances of execution, just wasn't enough to outweigh the mistakes and give him a positive overall grade.
While debating the quality/rating of Tannehill's performance last night is fun/entertaining -- every pre-season game is merely a small-sample size. Tannehill's -1.6 score was based off of just a few series. One of the knocks I have on Tanny is that he rarely "starts fast", which is something Philbin brought up frequently last season. This attribute certainly hurts him in a game whereby he played about 1 quarter.
Probably so...they missed the throwaway, and probably got a negative tick for the pass tip in the backfield too.
They missed the throwaway? I doubt that. I don't believe they give out positive marks for a throwaway. Nor should they. Throwing the football away is stopping the play from being a negative. It's not a positive outcome. The positive outcome would be making the defender miss and running for yardage, or completing the pass despite the pressure.
Your last paragraph is true, but I'm not sure anyone but Russell Wilson could of done anything about that one.. Btw, if you had club membership you would be able to.
I think you're looking at Tannehill's 2013 breakdown. The throwaways are listed down below in the Screen section.
The sack by McCoy happened in 1.9 secs and prior to the sack Tannehill also had to execute part of the play which involved a fake. I'm not saying you can't feel like Tannehill has poor pocket awareness or poor internal clock, but that play is not at all a good example to use to back up either of those opinions IMO.
It's under the "signature stats" for pre-season 2014 week 3 for RT (he's #37 on the list for ease in finding it). But I guess that would be a negative had they caught it, the rating could've been even lower...would depend on how much more of a negative they consider that over an incompletion/bad throw.
It all comes down to Pass Pro. When he gets it, he's gold....lets face it, nobody is giving excuses for Tannehill this season, he does it or he doesn't, but I'm not throwing in the towel on the guy, because he looked bad during two preseason drives versus Tampa. Dallas Thomas is a gaping hole at guard and All-Pro DT Gerald McCoy exposed Thomas for what he is. (Weak). This is the second preseason in a row, I have to stomach Dallas Thomas getting pushed around, atleast this season, it was ALL-PRO McCoy owning him, rather than some practice team nobody from the Cowboys. I guess thats improvement ...
We'll see what happens against those 'Boys next week. For some reason, I think another G may be getting more reps.
Have to start Billy Turner now. Time to see what he can do against 1st team defense. Leaving Thomas out there will keep putting Tannehill on his butt like last year.
Tannehill had a good night. I don't see how he's been inconsistent at all, I think that comment was way off. I don't blame him for the sack or the fumble. McCoy is a very strong man and he got to tannehill in 1.9 secs. Need a new guard out there pronto. Our run game is what really should be concerning us. Has the starting unit managed a run of 5+ yards yet?
it's not just that, for Ryan, it's about trust, if he can't trust it, then he's not playing with a full deck.
Ya his night was good, basically effective. Not the most efficient, but he did his job. As for the run game, IMHO we don't have any backs that can thrive with our OL's run blocking woes. Maybe once Pouncey gets back, and they possibly get Shelley Smith in there, it'll improve in that area. They did a little better against Atlanta, but TB's D is closer to what we have throughout the division, so that's the current Achilles heel on offense.
I can see where the two seemed meshed together. My wording made it seem that way. My apologies. I went on a tangent without being specific. I just simply hate the FF itself. Totally understandable that he did not necessarily have time to react to escape, but the FF and loss unto itself is bothersome. In his two years, Tannehill has lost 50% of his fumbles (9 out of 18). Perusing some of the stats of the better QBs in the league, this seems pretty high, comparatively. I am talking career-wise; not necessarily one year. For comparisons sake, prior to his 2013 season, Peyton Manning's highest number of total fumbles was 7. His highest total of losses was 3. Granted, last year, Manning dropped back to pass almost 700 times. Along with his age, his prior injury history, etc., we can say Manning's 10 fumbles were atypical, but probably acceptable given his 55 TDs. I guess my real point is I am not sure Tannehill is the type of player who can overcome turnovers in high volume. In all, Tannehill had 22 turnovers last year including INTs. If he passed for 30+ TDs, those numbers might be acceptable. But Miami was not very good in the scoring category last year, and those turnovers, regardless of how they are marked on the stat sheet, left potential points out on the field.
The whole "Fail Foward Faster" thing shows how a lot of fans just hate things just to hate. Cam wasn't the first person to do that and he won't be the last. A lot of coaches put their players in a place of struggle so they can improve.
I found a better listing of where Tannehill's points were ticked. The fumble cost him -1.0 as suggested. The 2 misses to Wallace and the throwaway gave him -1.2, but that was offset by middle and left throws for +.6. Sounds fair.
I can't recall exactly where I read/heard this, but I remember someone stating that Tannehill's propensity to fumble the football when hit more often than most other QB's is due to his smallish hands. If he gets hit while holding the ball with only one of his hands, chances are the football is going to get away since he can't grip it as tightly as other QB's with larger hands.
Honestly, I was going to include this in the post, but decided against it given the amount of work it would have taken to back up the claim. But for discussion's sake, this might be a valid point. He could also be one of those "sweaty palms" guys, as well. No sarcasm.
Not sure what your other options are but the game is available in Club , with very good quality , a great option imo .
It makes a lot a sense... if I'm not mistaken, Tannehill's hand size (9") is one of the smallest among starting QB's in the NFL, even short QB's like Brees and Wilson have larger hands at about 10" each (though they have unsually large hands for their height).
