Ronin's Post Jaguars Thoughts

"djphinfan wrote:

need to call a better game early relative to the pass rush and to the qbs skill set..Qb needs to improv and run for some first downs early..this would add another threat to the defense that simply does not exist at this point..

Thats bull****. Lets not call this play..because our guard is going to turn turnstile. Your smoking crack dude..can I have some

Please go look up how many first downs hes rushed for in the last three games...are we even watching the same game?

I think this has alot more to do with people hating on your boy then anything else to be honest

"vt_dolfan wrote:

So..how many first downs has 17 converted with his legs?

I know he can convert, thats not the point, the point is combined scheme carries, qb runs, rollouts, and bootleg reps are not enough in a game, especially early when you have enough experience to know that ryan plays better when doing so.

I would estimate that he's running N.E.W 4 times a game...its not enough for this type of skill set..

"djphinfan wrote:

I know he can convert, thats not the point, the point is combined scheme carries, qb runs, rollouts, and bootleg reps are not enough in a game, especially early when you have enough experience to know that ryan plays better when doing so.

I would estimate that he's running N.E.W 4 times a game...its not enough for this type of skill set..

Hes not...nor will he ever be a run first QB. Get ready to be disappointed if you are hoping for that. Hes a QB..who can run with the ball....

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Thats bull****. Lets not call this play..because our guard is going to turn turnstile. Your smoking crack dude..can I have some

Please go look up how many first downs hes rushed for in the last three games...are we even watching the same game?

I think this has alot more to do with people hating on your boy then anything else to be honest

lol, has nothing to do with wilson dude...why would it?.... i know he's converting first downs, his average per carry is ridiculous, good thing I've been pining for that for three years, your taking this the wrong way, Im saying for us to be a better offense we, he needs to do all the things i listed, more often, Lazor needs to use his athleticism early, and ryan needs to improv more and show the defense that he is willing to run for a first down...on his own...its not chaos math here..

like i said to you in another thread, I'm not going to ignore the worst half ever played by a dolphin team in history..if you want to then cool, double complete rainbows.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Hes not...nor will he ever be a run first QB. Get ready to be disappointed if you are hoping for that. Hes a QB..who can run with the ball....

and there lyes the root of our disagreement, you want him in the pocket and are content with that, and all the inconsistencies that come with that philosophy, I want him to be a dual threat who threatens a defense..He has the skill set to do it my way.

and it has nohing to do with being a run first qb..its called using your tools to threaten the defense most effectively.

"djphinfan wrote:

and there lyes the root of our disagreement, you want him in the pocket and our content with that, I want him to be a dual threat who threatens a defense..He has the skill set to do it my way.

He is a dual threat. Hes out rushing Russel Wilson the last three games in YPA. You want to ignore any running he has done..simply because you want him to run more.

"djphinfan wrote:

and it has nohing to do with being a run first qb..its called using your tools to threaten the defense most effectively.

Ryan had 5 rushes for 58 yards...and he doesnt run enough..Russel Wilson runs 6 times for 35 yards..and hes the Greek God of NFL quarterbacks

I feel like Joe Philbin needs to have a 'moment of truth' this week and just sit down and look at which players have not been able to get it done, and sit them on the bench.

What we're doing on the OL obviously isn't working against teams with good defensive fronts -- in fact, it really didn't even work that well against the Bears -- and I'm not sure what #82 is doing out there. He's certainly not contributing to winning football.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

He is a dual threat. Hes out rushing Russel Wilson the last three games in YPA. You want to ignore any running he has done..simply because you want him to run more.

im not ignoring, I'm trying to figure the best i can so we can avoid first half futility..

have we not seen first half futility all season?, have we not been a inconsistent offense? did you not watch the worst offensive performance in dolphin history today?

Im saying to you my thoughts on how to change it..

three elements..

1] coordinator uses qbs athletic skill set early in game

2} qb runs for first down early in the game to let defense know that they cannot turn their backs in coverage and to set a tone in the ball game.

3] were averaging 4 carries a game for the qb..I think its needs to be higher.

We've got some sturdy DL coming...SD (to an extent), Detroit, Buffalo, Denver, Baltimore...they better get it straight by those, for sure, else no shot at the playoffs. If it was just a matter of Colledge's migraine, OK, but I'm not convinced. Are they better than the last time we played the Bills? Maybe a little...need more. James has had a rough few games, I don't think that'll continue...he's played better, no reason to think he can't again.

Hartline / Colledge killed the Offense today...badly. RT was "OK," but that pass on the INT was pretty lame...as was the overthrow in the endzone that ended up a FG. Couple other throws weren't spot-on, but overall, OK. Loved his run down the left sideline.

"djphinfan wrote:

im not ignoring, I'm trying to figure the best i can so we can avoid first half futility..

have we not seen first half futility all season?, have we not been a inconsistent offense? did you not watch the worst offensive performance in dolphin history today?

Im saying to you my thoughts on how to change it..

three elements..

1] coordinator uses qbs athletic skill set early in game

2} qb runs for first down early in the game to let defense know that they cannot turn their backs in coverage and to set a tone in the ball game.

3] were averaging 4 carries a game for the qb..I think its needs to be higher.

He did run the ball early in the game ...the first damned play he went left end for 5 yards

I am somewhat concerned that our offense only scored 13 points; the same number of points that the Jaguars' offense scored.

I just got to watch the game and I noticed Pouncey got taken out and Garner was put in at LG with Thomas at RG. Anyone else notice this?

Pouncey was taken out for precautionary reasons with his hip

Later he said it was cuz he was sore.

"cdz12250 wrote:

I am somewhat concerned that our offense only scored 13 points; the same number of points that the Jaguars' offense scored.

we should be giving the Jax defense some credit. Right now, there Dline is top 3 or 4 in league IMO the last few games.

"djphinfan wrote:

do you know how many 3rd and shorts, 4th and shorts, goal line situations like that one where all it would take is a bootleg or rollout to convert?

none, as in we haven't done one in those situations.

for once (lately) I agree with you 100%. In red zone we should either be running the ball or rolling Tannehill out either for bootleg or just run it to the corner of the endzone. It really feels like we avoid that altogether in the redzone.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I don't understand why it's easy for me to spot from my couch but the guys getting paid big bucks to do this can't figure out. Maybe I'm misguided here.

I think the reason is simple. We are poorly coached.

"djphinfan wrote:

do you know how many 3rd and shorts, 4th and shorts, goal line situations like that one where all it would take is a bootleg or rollout to convert?

none, as in we haven't done one in those situations.

There was a 4th and one keeper that Tannehill took 30 or so yards.

Glancing through the thread and I think Dj's got a good point regarding Lazor and play-calling early in games. I think it'd be good to get Tannehill moving just to give the defense something to think about. It doesn't even necessarily have to be the zone-read. I think they should be utilizing rollouts more often in the passing game. If Tannehill can scramble off of that, just as well. But against teams like Jacksonville, or three teams we'll see soon that get after the QB - Detroit, Buffalo and Denver - it'd be a good way to keep edge rushers at bay a little more; especially if our interior is going to be as shoddy as it was today.

I think Miami should be able to build plays off of that. We've seen the little half-roll play hit big the past two games to Clay and Sims, and the deep ball to Wallace today was pretty nice. Miami needs to use that and I think it'll help get Lamar Miller more room to run as well. He's shown well, but man, today he didn't have much to work with for most of the game.

"Linus wrote:

There was a 4th and one keeper that Tannehill took 30 or so yards.

ok, 1 time, and look what happened..

the point is, we cannot Expect to win December football games trotting out what we did in the first half against legitimate teams.so I'm trying tocome up with what I think is wrong, and my solution is to do what our qb is quite lethal at..

My criticism for our qb is that he needs to take it upon himself at times to run for a first down and help the offense..

Are either of these things I'm suggesting out of bounds because he averages 4 carries a game at 8 yards a carry?

The man is a dual threat qb..accept it,embrace it, and win.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

Glancing through the thread and I think Dj's got a good point regarding Lazor and play-calling early in games. I think it'd be good to get Tannehill moving just to give the defense something to think about. It doesn't even necessarily have to be the zone-read. I think they should be utilizing rollouts more often in the passing game. If Tannehill can scramble off of that, just as well. But against teams like Jacksonville, or three teams we'll see soon that get after the QB - Detroit, Buffalo and Denver - it'd be a good way to keep edge rushers at bay a little more; especially if our interior is going to be as shoddy as it was today.

I think Miami should be able to build plays off of that. We've seen the little half-roll play hit big the past two games to Clay and Sims, and the deep ball to Wallace today was pretty nice. Miami needs to use that and I think it'll help get Lamar Miller more room to run as well. He's shown well, but man, today he didn't have much to work with for most of the game.

I think (I'm speculating here) that when you have first time coaches (head or coordinators), they tend to have an idea of precisely how they want things to go and are hesitant or down right stubborn to deviation from that vision. These are alphas after all.

We saw it with Philbin, we saw it Coyle and we're seeing it with Lazor. Philbin has turned the corner on being stubborn I believe. He's constantly reassessing his approach to everything. I think Lazor is fighting his previously held vision right now.

Tanny needs to move a little more in the pocket. Marino was very good at that. He wasn't what you'd call a mobile QB in the sense of taking off and running, but he was elusive in the pocket. He'd make little moves that helped him avoid the rush and open passing lanes. He ought to talk to the QB coach or Tanny; maybe that could be of help with the batted balls. Who knows; maybe that's instinctive, or maybe it can be taught.

"Fin D wrote:

I think (I'm speculating here) that when you have first time coaches (head or coordinators), they tend to have an idea of precisely how they want things to go and are hesitant or down right stubborn to deviation from that vision. These are alphas after all.

We saw it with Philbin, we saw it Coyle and we're seeing it with Lazor. Philbin has turned the corner on being stubborn I believe. He's constantly reassessing his approach to everything. I think Lazor is fighting his previously held vision right now.

I think that's a very fair point to bring up, especially with Lazor being new. I think that he's been good overall. There just seems to be a stretch in every game where you wonder what is going on. Some of that may be from him not having a vantage point of being in the booth perhaps, but hopefully that Miami is essentially halfway through the regular season he'll get things ironed out. Obviously, some of that could very well be on Tannehill at the LOS too.