I have read a lot of posts here about Cam catching heat from some of the fans about the having ronnie return kicks and supposedly benching ronnie in the early part of the season. Below ronnie's running numbers this season.
Cam played a lot of rookies on the 4th game is why ronnie didnt play and he wanted to keep him from getting injured on the last game of preseason.
rush rec
att/yrds recp/yards
pres1 8/8 1/-1
pres2 13/57 1/10
pres3 6/18 2/16
pres4 -/- -/-
1 11/32 6/40
2 11/33 2/36
3 23/112 6/99
4 15/134 6/73
5 23/114 5/39
6 19/101 9/69
7 17/76 5/33
Looking at the numbers you can clearly see what ever Cam did in the handleing of ronnie brown it seems to have worked. After the second game ronnie was just a different back. he was just playing lights out. IMHO calling out ronnie and chalenging him seems to have worked. So how can some people make it a negative thing. The evidence clearly shows somthing happened starting the third game.
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Also he wanst just running hard he was just a battering ram.
He showed a toughness and determination we haven't seen from him before.Last edited: Jan 2, 2008 -
Exactly, I firmly believe Ronnie could have been an MVP candidate had he not got injured, even if it was just to wind up losing to Brady. The improvement our offense saw as a whole until the injuries got on top of them makes me very wary over losing Cam.
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I ddint look... what did they go up to?
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game yard per carry avg.
1 2.9
2 3.0
3 4.9
4 8.9
5 5.0
6 5.3
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It's a chicken before the egg debate.
I think Cam is a terrible coach. And he didn't seem to do much right this season. But the one thing he may have done well was properly motivate his best offensive weapon. Or squander his best offensive weapon depending on how you CHOOSE to look at it.
Did Ronnie not get carries until he started playing well, or did Ronnie not start playing well until he got carries? The most honest answer I can give is "Yes" -
Historically he has always been an above 4.0 YPC guy.
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Ronnie Brown undoubtably became a better player than he was basically ever starting week 3 this season, and I dont think it's unreasonable to suggest Cameron had something to do with it. He spent the entire offseason breaking down Brown's big flaw, which was hesitating at the line, and trying to motivate him to take the next step.
Running him into his offensive linemens heals before the line was up to par in weeks 1 and 2 would have been foolished and counter productive, and would have encouraged his previous bad habits. Giving Chatman a solid workload there was the right thing to do.
I think the biggest misconception about Brown now is that his injury is going to have serious repercussions. ACL injuries are not what they were 10 years ago when it killed the careers Jamal Anderson and Terrell Davis. It's a season ending injury that can, but doesnt always have an effect the next year, and it usually isnt that big. He's going to be the starter, and I'm pretty confident he will be reasonably close to last year. -
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To date.. RB's tag line should read.... coulda... woulda.... shoulda.... the guy needs to prove he can stay healthy... and motivated... the best ones don't need a coach for that....
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I'll be the first to admit and i agree these players shouldn't need motivation to play hard. But if a coach can motivate a player and he does play harder. it's a credit to the player and the coach that he improved himself. Not everone can stay motivated all the time sometimes other need to hold us to a higher standard. I bet the pats do that. As a team they hold each other to a higher standard. And they don't allow people to dog it. We need that here. don't you guy remeber dave mustache clapping and patting players on the back after a horrible play it used to drive me nuts.
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This is the biggest problem in evaluating Cam. When he has had talent, he has had success. And when his teams have failed, it is always the talent excuse. But having it both ways is giving Cam a pass for not getting Ronnie like production out of Hagan, Chambers, Chatman, D. Martin, Ted Ginn, Lemon or Beck, while simultaneously giving him credit for the one offensive weapon who played well. In fact when you look at it that way it becomes even harder to give Cam anything close to sole credit for Ronnie's emergence this year.
This is an age old sports debate though. Is it coaching or is it talent? Is Bellichick ever considered a genius if Tom Brady isn't Tom Brady? Does Tom Brady ever become Tom Brady if his coach isn't a "genius?" -
I think it's a combination ronnie gets most of the credit for the improvemnt. my point was I have read some posts here on this forum that blasted cam formishandleing the ronnie situation. I think the situation with ronnie was not mishandled. If anyting cam did the right thing and handled the situation peoperly. This is only in relation to ronnie brown. The improvement of other rookies and young players is a relavant question. I'm not saying Cam should stay or not but, I really think people are really not giving him any credit at all for anything good that has happened this year.
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It was a similar situation with Beck and LoBook. The theory is that Cam was forced into playing Beck before he was ready and it showed. Meanwhile you can make the same Ronnie argument for LoBook. Cam used playing time to motivate him. And LoBook looked like he was shot out of a cannon when he first got onto the field. If you like Cam, and I do believe he has a good approach to young players and how to develop offensive talent, you credit him with LoBook and Ronnie playing as well as they did once they got their shot. If you don't like Cam, and I believe he is a terrible head coach, then you blame him for holding back talented playmakers from a team sorely lacking talented playmakers. And I believe both arguments have truth to them. -
this is exactly why our team was so bad this year
our head coach was doing the job of the offensive coordinator
without a doubt, cam did help ronnie become more PRODUCTIVE. its very hard to say whether he was a BETTER back. but he was definitely more productive.
either way, that is something that is the responsibility of the OC, not the HC -
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This was going to be a bad team. But the Dolphins weren't just bad this year, they were terrible. They were uninspired, unfocused, and sloppy especially when victories were within their grasp. The difference between a terrible 1-15 (almost 0-16) team and a bad 4-12 team is coaching.
It isn't about making Cam the fall guy for 1-15. It is about evaluating him as a HC. And acheiving marginal success in his role as an OC does not prove that he is a good head coach. Repeating mistakes and getting blown out by other bad teams in the second half of the season were all the proof I needed to see that the man is not a good HC. He failed in that role in Indiana, and he has failed here. He, like many other great coordinators just doesn't have it as a head coach. -
First year coaches, in general, achieve a good deal of success. Usually their scheme is new, and will work, because most teams have not seen it before. Mangini and Payton come to mind regarding this.
The NFL is a coach's league. There was enough talent on this team to win atleast 4 games. Or atleast not get blown out by the Jets and Bills -
This argument was a blatant reach the first time I saw it and nothing has changed my mind to think it isn't even a greater reach now.
Brown has been an effective back from day 1.
Are you going to back credit this motivation from Cameron for Browns success his first 2 years? The kid was strong from his rookie year on. You also saw a player coming into his own as a 3rd year pro. Are you going to back credit Cameron's motivation for 2 years of Browns development as well?
Camerons handling of Brown was no master motivator at work.
This was simply a colossal misread of talent on the roster. If you can't succesfully assess and maximize talent on your roster that's a bad sign for a coach.
It was a troubling sign at yet another aspect of a Head Coaches job that you can question Cams ability on. -
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Cam called no defensive plays or instituted any new defensive schemes. Yet we were near last in all defensive categories as opposed to last year when we were respectable. Is that Cam's fault? -
seriously, this argument is pointless many just want his head on a pole. Anything less will not be tolerated. Blood is in the water and the sharks are in a feeding frenzy. No point in trying to use logic. How many will want BIll to be fired if he dosn't fire cam. It wil be interesting to see what happens. -
It is very possible that Ronnie was due for a breakout year, and that Cam squandered his first two games by having him alternate series with Chatman. And that after two losses and a heap of criticism Cam finally relegated Chatman to the bench, while Ronnie seized the opportunity and started hitting the holes harder than he had since he was drafted.
The question is: Did splitting time with Chatman help motivate Ronnie, or was Ronnie already sufficiently motivated while Cam was mistaken for taking him out of the game early on?
I want the man fired. But Ronnie did have the best 5 game stretch of his career under Cam. He is a good to great offensive coordinator, IMHO, but he is no head coach. -
The man took a 6 win team and turned them into a team that barely won one game.
Defenders have to have something better to offer than:
-At least the team didn't implode
-Ronnie looked great for 5 out of 7 games
-Cam is a good offensive coordinator
-The team just sucks. And none of it can be attributed to it's leader.
-Do you want to change systems again this offseason?
-He started the rebuilding that was long over due. (Funny how most didn't latch onto this one in presason, only after the team was clearly in a rebuilding stage after losing it's first 13 games)
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Ok, lets step back for a second. Firstly, I don't know what to do about cam at this point. I think we suck, to be honest we have sucked for a long time. THe 1-15 record was comming. We have not done anything the last 5 or 6 years to improve this team. It's not much of a difference if it was 2-14 or 3-13.
I honestly think this team was destined for a fall of great proportions. I don't think we could have won any more than 5-6 games. I really at this point don't care anymore. Fire him and the next guy and the next and over and over. It's never gonna end. what is the real difference between this season and 2004 4-12 and 2006 6-10 record? Not much we suck point blank. To blame cam for most of the problems of this team is just wrong. this team was set up for failure before cam even interviewed for the job. If he has any sence he should have told the dolphin's he wasn't interested. this is my last post on this thread. Some will not see reason. Even players get more than one season to Prove thier worth. Why should we give time to a player to develop and not a coach. -
The difference is coaching. Cam doesn't need to be sacrificed because the Dolphins are bad. He needs to go because he is a bad head coach. -
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