We are not going to pay him premier RB money after 2010, why not get value for him now? I'd take a 2nd round pick for RB, we will survive without him.

 

He is our most potent weapon...... WHEN HE SHOWS UP.

He is an inconsistent running back who has a tendency to disappear at times.. Take away the wildcat and he was pretty mediocre... Now don't get me wrong I think the kid can do WONDERS in the passing game, but after 4 years for whatever reason the team has not utilized him correctly in the passing game.

I like RB but I think he can be replaced. His is a potent force, but I'd prefer a bruising RB that can carry the load all season long, is durable and decisive when finding open holes.

 

If the price is right why not trade him? I could definately live with taking #14 from the Saints and an ancillary pick in the 3-6 range.
Id really like to see him now that hes a year removed from his injury, and with our OL getting bigger and able to open some holes, but to this point he has not been consistenty great. Take away that NE game and his stats were average at best imo. And while I dont think RBs are a "dime a dozen" as some claim, they are somewhat easier to replace than positions like LT and QB.

That said I doubt it happens. I dont see teams giving up big packages for RBs.

 

This is debatable Padre. What it comes down to is how does the organization view RB. If they see him as upper echelon than no way in hell we trade him.. But if they don't, and see his contract expiring at the end of the year, why not get value for him? If doubt anyone bites if we franchise him at the end of the 09 season.

 

While I don't think that Brown being shopped is startling news, especially given that the FO is run by Parcels, I certainly think you are wrong in assuming that just any back can replace Brown in this system...He is better than just a good RB. However the thoughts that we could get a 2nd rounder for him are ludicrous when you consider who is sitting out there available for more than likely the vet minimum and considering the one position that requires the least amount of adjustment from the college game is also running back...

Just don't think that any back could come in and do what Brown does for us...he's much more valuable than what some seem to want to give him credit for...You say he is a "good running back" and yet despite the relatively weak run blocking OLs we've had since he's been here including last years line which was certainly better than previous years, he earns that praise ??

To all Fin Fans, I say just be careful what you wish for....

 

The whole Ronnie saga is turing out similar to Chris Chambers in that people seem to keep making excuses for why he isnt consistently a dominating player. Bad OL for Ronnie, bad QBs for Chambers etc.
We see RBs like Forte and Johnson coming into the league and having instant success. Burner Turner changing teams, Darren Sproles taking over starting jobs etc. Ronnie has been around long enough now and while he has shown flashes of greatness, hes never put it all together.
Now hes approaching the age of doom for RBs in which their production generally starts dropping like a rock. How much value do they see in Ronnie considering everything?

But that all said, I just dont see us getting any decent packages for him and I dont see us giving him up for cheap.

 

IMO, the thing with Brown is I don't think we've seen his full potential...yet. Whether he missed time due to injury, or was the unfortunate recipient of a sub par Oline/offense, or a team in transition from one poor HC to another (Saban to Cam Cameron), I just don't think all the stars have aligned for him yet. So, to trade him now and watch him blow up somewhere else would really, well...suck, I think. I really think Ronnie Brown has the potential to be an elite back in the NFL.

As for the business side of him being in the last year of his contract, and does Miami resign him or try to deal him, well...I really don't know how to answer that. But, I guess to me that's a full season away. A lot can happen in a season. So, if it were me, I think I'd stand pat for now, and wait and see how '09 unfolds.

JMHO...

 

I will take a 2nd in a heart beat .....

 

You're right, Ronnie has never really benefited from having an OL that could control the LOS. Too often in his career he was dodging players the minute he had the ball in his hands instead of being able to focus on hitting the holes.

As far as Ronnie's durability issues that some have mentioned, there really aren't any IMO. First he is the type of RB that gets better as the game goes on, he uses his size and speed to wear down defenses and take advantage in the 2nd half. The idea that his injury history shows that he is "injury prone", as some have suggested in the past, is silly IMO. Two of his injuries were fluke-ish injuries that could have happened to anyone, getting your finger caught in a facemask and injuring your knee while doing something that you're not really used to doesn't really scream "injury prone" to me. IMO a person who is injury prone has injuries that reoccur.....a nagging knee injury, degenerative heel, etc are injuries that a player will suffer with throughout his career. Ronnie doesn't really fit into that category, he just had some bad luck.

One name that I have thrown out in the past is Adrain Peterson. Everyone here would admit that he's a great RB and we would love to have him, but he has suffered more injuries and more serious injuries than Ronnie has. Would anyone here toss Peterson off to the side because of his durability?

Neither would I and I think it would be a mistake to toss Ronnie off to the side for the same reasons. Put a decent OL infront of him and let him go, we haven't had a RB of Ronnie's caliber in a long time. (Yes I know, Ricky Williams. But he bailed on us and isn't the same player that he once was).

As Larryfinfan pointed out, be careful what you guys wish for.

 

I like ronnie brown.

I like championships more.

I would be sad to see ronnie go (very sad) but if the right amount of picks come along (or player(s)) then in the game of "bringing a championship to the miami dolphins" brown would be shipped; just like any other player would.

With that being said I don't think this FO is looking to trade him cheap guys lets not get our panties in a bunch just yet. Just because he's on the block doesn't mean he'll get moved.. and wasn't it last year that Ireland or Parcells or someone said any player but Long is on the block for the right price? This isn't news considering that statement.

 

The arguments against Brown are weak as hell: the reason he doesn't show up is because he doesn't get the ball, tell me whose fault is it that he only gets 11 touches a game?

"Without the Wildcat he is mediocre" Yeah remember when he lead the league in TOS in 07? Never happened or all those other times he kicked *** when he was given the opportunity.

 

Getting rid of Ronnie while trying to build the OL and strengthen the running game is like buying implants for your girlfriend right before you dump her. What's the point?

 

If Ronnies traded, i will be severely upset with this franchise. Just doesn't make any sense.

 

How quickly people forget what this guy did for us last year.

 

I refuse to get involved in yet another Ronnie Brown debate...as far as I'm concerned, he's still the Dolphins' starting running back.

And if he's still in that role in September, I'll let his play on the field do the talking.

 

Nineteenth overall rushing yards. Averaged less than 60 a game, and 10 TDs. Only 3 100+ yard games. Is this a guy who is invaluable?
You can say many reasons why: injury recovery, bad OL, lack of touches etc, but bottom line is Ronnie is not dominating every week. So no, he is not untouchable.

Dont get me wrong, I love Ronnie, but we keep making excuses and getting clouded by homerism. Hes Chris Chambers 2.0 at this point always leaving us wondering when he is going to break out, leaving us always reasoning why he hasnt.

 

this pops up every three months. he's a classy kid and top notch talent. if we could spread the ball around better when teams put 8 guys on RB, we'd all be better off. i'd be really pissed if we traded him. he's worth more than a roy williams or anquan boldin imo...and if we couldn't yield what roy yielded, itd be a catastrophe. its bad for morale this this keeps coming up after that enormous blanket statement by ireland about how everyone is available for a price.

 

the game is changing. the days of 400 carry, 1800 yd backs is at near extinction...except for a few antiquated straggler systems. 2 back systems is the way, and ronnie has always been on the ground floor of this.

 

Yeah, and then take into account that he took 1/2 the snaps at RB.

If that.

Even furthering the statement.. how quickly people forget.

 

Here is the actual quote from Lombardi who I respect


For the right price, I hear (and I emphasize hear) the Dolphins might be interested in discussing a trade involving starting running back Ronnie Brown if a team calls and expresses an interest. On the surface, that may come as a surprise to some, but when you look over the tape and Brown’s production, even though he almost had a 1,000-yard season, he only had three games over 100 yards. His longest run (62 yards) came from the wildcat formation against the Patriots, and his next long run was 30 yards. In nine of his 16 games he had fewer than 50 yards rushing, hardly a classic full-time back.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/sunday-at-the-post/

 

ridiculous.....then who do we replace him with? id puke on this franchise if this happened.....it'd be bull****

 

Those aren't excuses, they are very valid reasons of why a player performs the way he does.

Everything on offense starts with the OL, if they perform poorly, the rest of the offense is going to suffer. Our OL wasn't overly impressive last year and they suffered their share of injuries, for a good chunk of the year we were relying on journeymen, hoping that they would forget that they were backups and castoffs and somehow someway become NFL starters. How is an OL supposed to be dominant or even consistent when that happens?

And the nature of the 2 RB system is that you aren't going to have a player who is statistically a Top 5 RB. A player isn't going to put up Adrian Peterson type numbers without receiving Adrian Peterson type opportunities. You mention that Ronnie ranked 19th in rushing yards, but fail to point out that he ranked 21st in rushing attempts. That's a big piece of the puzzle that you're forgetting or overlooking. When Ronnie was getting 20+ carries a game before his knee injury, we saw what type of RB he is, he was dominating and led the league in yards for I forget how many consecutive weeks, the guy has talent, it would be a travesty to toss him off to the side because he isn't in the Top 5 in rushing yards.

Take a look at Barber and Jones over the years to see what you can expect from Ronnie and Ricky, the numbers are comparable. Infact Ronnie outperformed Barber last year even though Barber had more touches and had a much better supporting cast.

Again folks, be careful what you wish for.

 

Anyone can be replaced but Ronnie was showing up very consistantly before he tore up his knee. Even with an offensive line that was average at best in run blocking.

Being the number two pick in the draft, he has not lived up to that hype but he is a solid contributor and of the top three Rb's slated to be picked that high, he is the best of the bunch.

I loved RB coming out of college. I thought he was going to be a superstar. So I was wrong but not that far from it. I'd like him to stay on the team but only at the right price. Whatever the case, he is going to be a free agent so that might hinder his trade value and no way do I take anything less than a very low second round pick.

 

The major difference being that Taylor alienated the FO, wasn't willing to put the necessary work in, was at the end of his career, was trying to force his way out of town and was more focused on his post football career than preparing for the season.

But other than that, yeah it's the same thing. :tongue2:

 

seriously.....different scenarios completely

 

But it is a fact that he is one year removed from a serious knee injury. And it is also a fact that most players take two seasons to be back to 100 percent. You could see it when he ran, he was not 100 percent.

Comparing RB to CC is hard to do. Ronnie goes against 7 players trying to kill him from different angles on every run. Chambers went up against one player, who could only touch him for the first 5 yrds. He had to worry about one ghost, the safety and for years he would make the spectaular play then drop the next ball thrown to him. Loved Chambers but he needed a new start somewhere else.

 

everyone is tradable for the right price. The question is what is the right price

I got ripped in another thread but I would still do Ronnie for Boldin

I would not do Ronnie for any draft pick that did not include a mid to high first rounder

 

yeah, and thats my issue with this regurgitated article...Ireland said everyone has a price, and so we point to our best player, and say "even him"...and then mud slingers take it to the next level.

i doubt we're "shopping" him. THAT would be news. all this does is hurt ronnies morale. whatever, its a business, he's a big boy...lets just be glad he's not as sensitive as jay cutler.

 

IM just trying to make 2 points here.
1) Ronnie has not lived up to #2 status. He has not become the next LT, he is not, game in and game out for whatever reason, a dominating back. He is a great kid, a likeable guy, hard working and has talent. But he hasnt put it all together. Well, he doesnt HAVE that much longer to do so! RBs over 30 decline exponentially, and Ronnie is coming up on that age.
2) Any player is available if the price is right unless they are a franchise player. We have 1 franchise player atm and his name is Jake Long, thats it. Ronnie is NOT a franchise player right now, but I would NEVER trade him for "cheap." If a deal doesnt involve a first I would not be happy with it.

Frankly, I feel this entire discussion is moot because I doubt anyone will give up a major package to take him. And Im OK with that, Im ok with him being our back again. But Im not deluding myself into thinking hes a top 3 guy who is invaluable to this franchise.

 

Ricky Williams ran for over 1800 yards with a worse line the Ronnie has ever ran behind.

 

And in 2002 and 2003 Ricky was getting over 380+ rushing attempts a year, that isn't going to happen in this offense.

We could bring in LT, Peterson, etc and they aren't going to get 380 touches in this 2 RB offensive system. Again you have to look at the type of numbers that Barber and Jones were putting up with the Cowboys, the number of touches and stats are going to be comparable to them, not guys like Ricky from 2002/03 who were THE feature back.

 

Good analogy.