I get what you're saying about the media perception on Miami "missing out" on Flynn. That said Ireland will still be judged on both Flynn and Tannehill. One is the QB Ireland chose and the other is a QB that Ireland seemingly passed on. If Tannehill doesn't work out and Flynn excels, then Ireland will be judged on that. It's his job to evaluate talent and make the right decision. If it goes the way we hope he should be praised for sticking to his "vision."

Here's hoping Ireland was right. :up:

 

Appearing desperate can be almost as damaging as being desperate. I thought it was a mistake to pursue Manning. I didn't see it as a great fit for either party and that made it unlikely to work out. If you're constantly seen as the person kicking the tires, but not buying, you'll eventually be thought of as either being rejected or afraid to pull the trigger or both.

 

Lest we forget that last year Jeff Ireland made a similar decision to go all-in for Carson Palmer and that one ended in failure as Mike Brown was stubborn (predictably) and then ended up getting exactly what he wanted for Carson.

 

Huh? It ended in failure bc we didn't give up the ******edly priced picks OAK did?

Like how we failed at landing Orton? :lol:

 

DJ,

That's all well and good, and I hope you end up being right, specifically about Tannehill. But the fact remains the jury is still out until we know how Flynn and Tannehill perform in the NFL. Because if Flynn tears it up and Tannehill struggles, Ireland will have to defend his logic. That's all I'm saying. I'm not hear to cry about not getting Flynn because I was very indifferent about him and have always been a proponent of drafting a QB with a high pick.

 

I remember reports of us pursuing Palmer, but I don't remember us going all out for him.

 

I blame Parcells. :shifty:

 

I'm not sure about that Monst..I think that Ireland gets a bye on the Flynn thing if for no other reason than his OC the four years he's been in the league didn't push hard enough for him... Even if Flynn turns out to be better than anticipated, Philbin takes that rap and as long as Tanny turns out, Irish will be fine...

 

That's the thing. Whether we went all out or not is irrelevant in terms of perception. Most likely we did pursue him and we had a value on Palmer, but Cincy was asking a ridiculous amount so we passed. But perception-wise the media or any negative fan would just add that to reasons we're desperate.

 

I think that Ireland can survive Flynn looking good as long as Tannehill plays well. Really Tannehill is the key regardless of anything else. Miller and Egnew could be in the running for rookie of the year, Wake could be the DPOY. The OL could be a top 5 unit. But short of a SB run it will still be wait and see on Tannehill (maybe even with a SB run if it's not viewed as more than a lucky year).

 

And any intelligent person who understands business will understand that.

And the rest... probably consist of the SoFlo media and their fans.

 

That's true, but I don't think it would give Ireland a complete pass. It's been well stated that it's his job to find players for the coaches. I think the coaches are definitely involved in the thought process and play a role, but I don't think a GM can go to the owner and say, "Well gee, Steve, it was all coach Philbin's and coach Sherman's idea to not take guy X and take guy Y instead." The owner is likely to tell him something along the lines of, "Well I'm paying you to evaluate talent and you let me down."

 

The mistake with Carson Palmer was the same mistake as with Matt Flynn, as with Peyton Manning. In all cases they went hard for someone at 'their' risk/reward/price level even though they had almost a zero chance of coming out with the player at the price they wanted. When you make a habit of doing that, you create a negative image for the team, which in turn hurts the team. And when you do that at the most important position in the sport, you get Chad Henne and Matt Moore leading you to 7-9 and 6-10 records while the rest of the league laughs.

Hell in Jeff Ireland's post draft press conferences you could tell (because he said so) that he really wanted to trade out of the #8 overall pick and pick Ryan Tannehill much lower. That would have been the tactic that would have been truest to his draft board. I'm pretty sure the reason he didn't was because he knew his entire career probably rested on the next quarterback he selected. If Jeff Ireland had any real job security, Ryan Tannehill probably is not a Dolphin. He'd have stayed true to his board, traded down, and someone would have jumped ahead of the Dolphins to take Ryan. I don't know which guy we'd have ended up with in his place, probably Brock Osweiler or Nick Foles.

 

This logic is close to saying every QB that turns out good from last season to the future will show how bad Ireland is because he didn't sign him when he could.
You can only try one at a time. So to convict Ireland for not signing Flynn are you standing behind Flynn is better than Tannehill?
Or are you just leaving yourself an out so you can be right either way?

 

So if Philbin wanted Flynn and Ireland wanted nothing to do with him then Flynn would be a Dolphin?

 

no one will ever know
having said that
I think they knew what the wanted from the get-go
Peyton would have been an excellent mark had it worked out
I predicted early on that they would, even with Peyton Manning
have to resolve the future of a Franchise QB this year
by drafting Ryan Tannehill in the first round

Tannehill was always in their plans,
this was to be & is the year of the Franchise QB
as far as I'm concerned, there never was a doubt
don' think they ever believed Flynn would be the answer to the Franchise
but thought he could have helped in the installation of the new offense
as Ryan learned & prepared behind Flynn if the price was right (but it wasn't)
however
they always knew they would draft Tannehill in the 1st. round


I see no act of desperation or indecision the part of Miami. they knew what they were doing.

Tannehill was always @ 8:dolphin:

 

Like the saying I sometimes hate hearing.

Everything happens for a reason.

Or

It wasn't ment to be.

If there's really any logic in either one of those statements that's another thing.

 

Hindsight is 20/20

 

you're probably right and that is a horrifying prospect

 

I think if Philbin really thought Flynn was the answer, he'd be a Fin right now, yes... I think even Philbin thought more of Tanny and wanting to wait until the draft where we had a good shot of getting him. i just think in the grand scheme, most people will think that Philbin didn't think enough of Flynn to get him. If he turns out better than anticipated, then it will be looked at by most as Philbin being why we passed over him, not Ireland. Conversely and right, wrong or indifferent, if Tanny doesn't turn out then it will be looked at as a failure on Ireland's part and not on Philbin's. Ireland can talk all day about how decisions on personnel are a team effort (he, Philbin and Ross), but he will take the fall for Tanny even if it was a joint decision over Flynn, Manning, etc...

 

I don't see what's wrong with that tactic. They set a certain price for a player and don't go over it.

 

The reason Fisher is not the Dolphins HC at this time is because Ireland has TOTAL control over all player decisions in regards to the draft and in free agency. So I see no way Philbin can be blamed if Flynn ends up being a productive starter for Seattle and Tannehill turns out to be a flop in Miami.

Since Ireland retains all the control when it comes to the draft and free agency. He deserves credit for the players who come in and are productive and the blame for the players who do not succeed as members of the Dolphins.

 

after listening to his thoughts, I'm actually a bit concerned about how happy he was to say "well we got a QB and two hometown boys, people love us now!" I really hope playing for a local team didn't play that much into their draft stock. I realize Ross needs to be concerned about publicity and the plummeting ticket sales, but I just hope they liked these guys anyway. My hesitation applies more to Olivier Vernon of course, as he's seen as he seems to be a consensus 'lesser value" of the two.
That said, I am still excited by the draft and doubt the UM connection played that big a role, just hadn't thought about that angle before.