How about we let Marshall get a couple games under his belt with us and then decide. This buisness is no different than any other, bosses make choices and they either come out smelling like roses or stinking like ****.

 

I don't see it as being down played. Anybody who has watched the NFL for any length of time has seen surgeries followed up by clean-up surgeries almost as a matter of course. That is what they're saying was the case here. Assuming that's the truth, then it really is nothing beyond some bonding time missed before TC.

 

Link?

 

Its in the first paragraph of the article that the OP quoted:

I'm pretty nervous. And I'm not sure why a bigger deal isn't being made of it.

 

I'd love to know if he referred the Jets' siginings of Holmes and Tomlinson as "risky".

 

from your own link:

so if its minor 1) how should they have known he needed it and 2) why are you talking about it like it is a big deal?

 

Unless they left some snippers in his hip, this isn't a big deal ATM.

 

3.apparently it wasn't serious enough to keep him from passing his physical(im hoping..our doctors have been known to drop the ball on these things).

4.we basically got him for a 2 next yr which we will probly end up getting back by then.not much risk in ti if you ask me.

 

Ross is the best writer they have IMO, but I think he's jumping the gun here.

 

Is this guy the first one to speculate it was on the opposite hip? I haven't seen anyone saying that yet, however in an interview the FO said it was a "clean up" procedure.

I trust the Coaches more than I trust some random reporter

 

Okay he has 2 hip operations great, one that has been done with, the other was the new routine one.....consider he is 25, they can opt out after one year, he was photographed riding a bike, something that if the hip is bothering you at all in May, he isn't doing....was catching and throwing the same day it was done....I just am not worried about it that much....they shaved half of A-Rod's hip off and he was back in 3 months, playing at a high level, and never went on the DL....and before the alpha football males in here start saying there is no comparsion, I agree on a punishment level yes, but consider hitting a baseball is centered on hip movement...

they had to make a move at WR, whether it was BM, or Dez...either way articles come out saying how risky and terrible a move the Tuna made....there are people in the media that dont like the Tuna much and pounce on him alot....

IMO Parcells will deserve it, if this thing blows up in his face at the end of next year, and they release him...until then...this is nothing..

 

you are right he looked awful last year, with one operation done, and the other one that needed to be done...

hopefully he can rebound this year....

 

If they were saying anything but it was minor then it would be unsettling. Otherwise for now, its a bit premature to panic or even be concerned.

 

i think this was a trade largely driven by the fans. Ross probably put some pressure on Parcells and Ireland to get a big name receiver and once we decided that Bryant wasnt the guy and the price dropped to two 2nd rounders they pulled the trigger. Hopefully it works out

 

Eh, is that halo beginning to tarnish a bit?

And is it just me or for whatever reason has Brandon Marshall rolled out of bed this week with a "kick me" sign pinned to his back? Now anyone who acted positively towards him is under fire for daring to trade for him.

The cool thing is though, the SFla media is not exactly the attack/harp/bludgeon machine that it is in the Northeast or West Coast, save for a few AM radio types who complain so much it really doesn't matter what they say.

The Big Slow comes to mind, ditto El Sid, though El Sid is a pro and doesn't take things too far.

 

It is a Marvin Harrison roller coaster, it is a TO roller coaster, it is a V-Jax roller coaster, it is a Ocho roller coaster, it is a Anquan roller coaster, it is a Braylon Edwards roller coaster, it is a Randy Moss roller coaster, it is a D-Bowe roller coaster....see what I'm saying?? it is what it is, unfortunately really good WR, a majority of them are wacko loudmouths...look at the ones that keep their mouths shut....Fitz, Andre (but that is about to change), Austin (however he is young in the game to talk)...who else CJ, it is vastly outweight to the former.....

This is such a wait and see topic, but for people to be either from the "its a major issue" camp is just ad hoc to me...we......will......see..

 

That halo still shines bright Sir.....here is the thing with my take....it would be much more of a concern for me about this whole thing IF IF IF Marshall wasnt doing the right things...ie..going to workouts the day after signing, attending charty events for teamates he hasnt formally met yet, working out weights wise, throwing, catching, riding bikes, smiling (say what you want but who can fake it? if it was that bad you wouldnt see him), attending film session, hanging out with his qb....he has done all of these above several times Pads...I can understand his past, and that people are pegging this kid to fail...but what has this kid done to make anybody say anything negative towards him?? from the day he signed that fat CATTE contract??? He has a bullseye on his back for no reason other than boredom....from a media standpoint...

 

im not worried about it. its not like we have a bunch of morons running the team now. im happy with the way things have gone since this new start. and this has been the biggest off season thus far.

nolan should have caught some kind of wind of this being with marshall in denver, especially if it had anything to do with marshall sitting out the last game last year.

worst case scenario for the miami dolphins, their BILLIONAIRE owner looses a little money in an uncapped year. way better upside in this gamble. if you even consider it a gamble

 

Don't care much for whatever Chris or-whatever Tucker has to say about the move.

 

Inb4 Marshall catches 100 passes in 2010.

 

Did this fool even read the BM contract, we can cut our loss and run. It won't cost anywhere near the 50 mil thats thrown around so lightly. BM shows up and plays great, he gets paid, he don't then he don't!

Had we gone the other route and picked Dez the contract would have been way more costly imo and less secure too.

I won't be concerned unless he's a no show on Sept. 12, 2010 at 1:00PM, until then the media can hollar blood in the water all they want to, cause it means nothing!

 

You don't win in the NFL or business by not taking risks.

 

Well, I've seen the pressers on the cleanup surgery being on his right hip, which is not the hip he had the surgery on last season, but Sparano did say it was a 'cleanup surgery'....I don't know the real answer, but this regime is infamous for false info being thrown out...

It may turn out to be a bad deal, but it's way too early to be bashing the regime about it just yet...let's see if he plays some games and if he's affected by this thing...

 

If his hips become a major issue again before the end of the season, would we consider flushing his contract before a new CBA and cap returned?

I wonder.

 

You guys have to relax. First off his left hip was operated on and the issue never came back. They went in to repair a torn labrum in his hip, this way it won't affect his playing time this year. I had both my shoulders repaired and it was the best thing I ever did. Back in the gym and feeling great. He will put up his 100 catches with ease this year.

 

It was driven by the fact that this is now a passing league and if we want to contend, we needed to ditch the timid little scarecrow we had posing as a #1 WR and take advantage of the fantastic opportunity we were given to acquire one of the top WR's in the game.

 

I heard on ESPN radio last night that the Dolphins structured his contract so that if they wanted to, they could cut Marshall after one year without penalty. So if he were not to play or did not play well this year he could be gone. They said he is scheduled to make 9.5M this season.

 

Can we please wait until training camp to panic?

 

It was risky but you have to take calculated risks in order to advance .Just imagine if we didnt risk anything and failed anyway.You would be accused of being timid,conservative and feinthearted.You might as well go down fighting IMO.On the flipside you will be put on a pedestal if the gamble pays off.:yes:.You may even be mentioned in the same breath as.....can I say it...genius.:wink2:

 

Marshall has only missed one game due to injury, if anyone can play through pain its him.

Once again this is much ado about nothing.

 

First of all the Dolphins have an out in this contract, where they won't lose too much $$$ if they cut it. Second, Stephen Ross is mega rich. This isn't a horrible experiment, we got our 2nd round draft pick back this year. If it fails it fails, but if not this gives us a high powered offense this season.

 

It's a clean-up operation regardless since it was just removing loose fragments. As for whether or not it was a follow-up that is unclear. The link in this article refers to "sources" claiming it was the opposite side while the "sources" in the original story said it was just a follow-up to the first operation.

 

sparano paused in the presser
we missed on the injury.
it was the other hip
we should have known. :shifty:
all you need is a big time WR to change the football team

 

we could have waited till 2011 when the draft is filthy with receivers. he cost us two players. who knows who they would have been if we didnt get marshall. kindle and misi for the next ten years manning the outside? the fact that he's one strike away from a year suspension and now may have some hip troubles makes the trade riskier then what Parcells normally does which is why I think it had more to do with appeasing the fans and the owner. Dont get me wrong, it can work out if the injury is minimal and he keeps his nose clean. The guy is a top three receiver IMO so the value of the picks, while slightly rich considering the circumstances, could turn out to be worth it. We will need to get three years of pro bowl play from him to get fair value. After that if he injures himself or gets tossed from the league we'll still have gotten fair value

 

Yep......we could have drafted someone and then waited/hoped/prayed that they actually pan out......instead we can line up opening day with a beast at WR

These guys are 50/50 on 2nd rounders......I think we made good use of the two we spent.

 

The price never "dropped" in that no one was going to give up a 1st round pick for Marshall. Seattle offered the same thing we did, two 2nd round picks. The kicker was that our 2nd rounder was higher this year. That was the difference maker.

I've given this a little bit of thought. Whatever the issue with Marshall's hips, it wasn't caught by the doctors during his pre-trade physical. Either our medical staff is completely incompetent, or we're talking about an injury that was sustained after the trade. Could it be a training-related injury? If it's something like that, I'm not too worried, though I admit the prospect of giving up two 2nd rounders and $50m for a guy who's had both hips operated on isn't very appealing.

In the end, Marshall has produced despite hip concerns in the past. I don't think there's any reason why he can't continue to produce now and in the future. IMO, his catches and total numbers were set to decline anyway, a combination of the team preferring to run the ball and a passing philosophy that involves spreading the ball around rather than feeding a target. (I don't like Marshall in fantasy football this year, that's for sure.)

Ultimately, we just have to wait and see. But the more I think about it the less concerned I get.

And, memo to Ross Tucker: I'll listen to your opinion when you figure out which person in the front office is making personnel decisions.

 

Well, we got one pick back, and protected the balance sheet moving forwards by contract structure.

I'm 100% behind trading draft picks for QUALITY players in their primes who play high value positions, I've seen entirely too many John Beck's and Samson Satele's to value #2 picks too highly, the plain fact is..second round picks bust to.

Fair value is winning games, the pro bowl is a moderately accurate measuring stick that perhaps does not mean as much as it once did.

So bring on The Beast.

 

classic and true...

 

something else happen?

 

Everyone knew marshal was a big risk including the front office. The potential of being a high end offensive weapon made that risk worth taking. The surgery doesn't change that. Risk taking is a foundational element in any competitive business.

The issue with the hip could be something preventive that the ortho's saw and decided to deal with now instead of waiting till it got worse.

Unfortunately too many in the press and a good bit of the fan base paint negative images early on based on more hear say than fact and their own emotions and the chance to gloat in an "I told you so rant" if things do go bad.

A person isn't the Great Karnac(sp?) if a player they complained about goes bust. They just got lucky with a guess. Any player that was great in college or on another NFL team can be bad at their next stop. It can happen to anyone. The opposite is also true. My hope is he plays well for us for many years. If not, life goes on.

 

"I've given this a little bit of thought. Whatever the issue with Marshall's hips, it wasn't caught by the doctors during his pre-trade physical. Either our medical staff is completely incompetent, or we're talking about an injury that was sustained after the trade."

Not necessarily true. I had a knee scope done after a MRI failed to show any damge. I knew that something was wrong and I insisted on the cleanup. Turns out that there was a substantial amount of debris in the joint that was causing pain and had to be removed. MRIs don't pick up everything all the time. The surgeon was part of the group that worked on the Dolphins at the time- good guy and damn good surgeon.

 

All true. My problem with going down that line of thinking, however, is that the medical staff undoubtedly tested Marshall's hip pretty extensively. I'm not sure I can believe that Marshall went through all those tests feeling fine, then suddenly he needed surgery on the other hip.

Remember, we're talking about Marshall's other hip. So far, his hip injury was on one side; this surgery involved the other.

 

I understand that, but it seems likely that Marshall hid some relatively minor pain in his hip until his contract was secured. Then he disclosed the injury and had the procedure done. Just my guess.

 

It was arthroscopic surgery where they either went in and cleaned something up or removed something simple. When I had my arthroscopic done on my shoulder the big concern was that the surgery damages the muscles so you have to build them back up. I had mine done early summer and almost as good as new by the fall. Seeing as how Brandon has resources that I don't he should be able to come back even quicker. Also, he's already riding a stationery bank, hell he was doing that only a day or two after. If the surgery had been intensive or intrusive, then he wouldn't be able to do this much yet.