Rumor: Miami Dolphins interested in trading for Jadeveon Clowney

"KeyFin wrote:

If he has a good season, then yeah- we will offer a bunch of cash. So will other teams though. The only way I see him staying on a team poised to go 4-12 is if we offer more than anyone else.

And if he has an average or even a bad season, then what? Do we make it rain anyway? Do we say "Bye Felicia" and cut our losses? Or what if he gets injured and we don't get enough of a look at him? This has Dion Jordan 2.0 written all over it for me...only this guy doesn't have the right attitude or work ethic. And I do realize that he's a multi-year Pro-Bowler but that's not the only criteria to build around.

Now, if you want to go with the logic "It's Ross's money so who gives a darn" then yeah, let's sign him and the heck with how it turns out. That's not how teams approach it from a business perspective though.

Woah, woah, woah.

I think you are misreading the situation.

If he has a good season, other teams cannot offer him money if we franchise him. We have the money to franchise him again, and he will be left with two options -

A - Play under the franchise tag again with the risk of severe injury or the possibility of poor performance.
B - Sign a long term deal and achieve financial security.

In my mind, this may not be an idea situation for him, but in the end, it is a no-branier.

Okay, as far as the second part goes, "What if he plays poorly?"

This solution is fairly easy too. If that is the case, we let him walk and eat the loss of a draft pick. Honestly, if you look at our dead money right now, it is apparent that it is a major problem we face. Honestly, if you look at the alternative, it would be like a super expensive Allen Branch all over again.

I also think you are kinda blinded by the moment. Dion Jordan prioritized drugs over football. The guy barely played. As far as character concerns, he is about as big of a concern as there is. Clowney missed games for injuries and really it was his rookie season. He misses a game here and a game there ever since, but nothing overly concerning.

Okay, big picture time. This is the guy I have been wanting since we got Flores. He wants to run a hybrid system. Clowney is literally the ideal guy to do that. He can stand up or sit down. This will allow us to adjust on the fly when teams don't let us sub (see the Patriots offense). Think about Wilkins. He is versatile and can be moved around on the line. I see what Flores is doing. Not everyone can do what Clowney thrives at.

"tirty8 wrote:

Woah, woah, woah.

I think you are misreading the situation.

If he has a good season, other teams cannot offer him money if we franchise him. We have the money to franchise him again, and he will be left with two options -

A - Play under the franchise tag again with the risk of severe injury or the possibility of poor performance.
B - Sign a long term deal and achieve financial security.

You do realize he's currently "franchised" an he's definitely not playing for the team that offered it, right? That's what makes this so darn scary; hes demanding to go to a contender and if we have a bad year, he could easily pull the same crap next season.

I'm not saying he's not a great player or even the perfect fit....I'm saying that we could pay him $15 and still have zero guarantees if he chooses to sit out.

Hell no for Tunsil.

Not for Tunsil, man I hope we don't do that. Are we really even ready to pay out for another big name? I'm having flash backs of Suh all over again.

Trading Tunsil for Clowney seems like shooting our left foot to save our right foot.

Hard to believe anything in the media these days as you don’t know what’s true and what’s being spun to get clicks. Trading one cornerstone piece at a weak position for another with worse contract terms makes no sense.

"mlb1399 wrote:

Hard to believe anything in the media these days as you don’t know what’s true and what’s being spun to get clicks.

The media nowadays: "BREAKING NEWS!!.. We don't know what will happen!!"

"mlb1399 wrote:

Trading Tunsil for Clowney seems like shooting our left foot to save our right foot.

Hard to believe anything in the media these days as you don’t know what’s true and what’s being spun to get clicks. Trading one cornerstone piece at a weak position for another with worse contract terms makes no sense.

Parker's name came up in a few gossip columns (AKA, expert analysis for breaking news) today as well. I would personally love that trade because I think he's a bum.

Yeah....I'm not interested in any deal that costs us our up-and-coming franchise LT.

I know the Texans was to sure up their O-line and keep their franchise QB upright but nah.

"KeyFin wrote:

You do realize he's currently "franchised" an he's definitely not playing for the team that offered it, right? That's what makes this so darn scary; hes demanding to go to a contender and if we have a bad year, he could easily pull the same crap next season.

I'm not saying he's not a great player or even the perfect fit....I'm saying that we could pay him $15 and still have zero guarantees if he chooses to sit out.

But the thing is that they can't trade for him until he signs his tender.

"tirty8 wrote:

But the thing is that they can't trade for him until he signs his tender.

And he's not going to sign until the trade talks are completed and he's going to a team he wants. I think he's probably okay with Miami since they're asking about Tunsil, Stills, Parker, etc....they wouldn't have those in-depth discussions if we were definitely out of the picture. I'm just not sure it's the right move or the right time- Clowney is dead-set on getting a bigger payday now (a team can pay more than the Franchise Tag to placate him).

I do feel a little better though knowing why he's sat out- they tagged him as a linebacker and that cost him about $1.3 million. They did the same thing last season (designating him a linebacker) and they ended up giving him a $1M bonus at the end of the year since he played about 70% of his snaps at end....then they tagged him LB all over again. So I sort of get it, he's sitting out on principal since DE's make more money and he was used as a DE most. That's kinda a BS move anyway to screw with a Pro-Bowler like that.

But even though that eases my concerns, I still don't like the logistics and I'll be furious if we trade Tunsil...then lose Clowney too in 2020. It's a real possibility and that's why I'd pass.

The Dolphins have met with Texans pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney. The Texans need a starting offensive tackle.

Thus, even though the Dolphins have told left tackle Laremy Tunsil they aren’t actively shopping him, his name naturally comes up in speculation of who the Texans would seek in a trade of Clowney.

But Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald reported Thursday that Dolphins players “would revolt” if the team trades Tunsil. Beasley calls Tunsil “one of their best and most-liked players.”

The Dolphins are expected to be among the worst in the NFL. They had high turnover in the offseason, including hiring a new coach, and they have Josh Rosen and Ryan Fitzpatrickcompeting for the starting quarterback job.

While it appears a rebuilding year in Miami, the locker room wants to compete and wants to see the team take care of its own financially, according to Beasley. The Dolphins drafted Tunsil 13th overall in 2016 and has him under contract the next two seasons, having picked up his fifth-year option for 2020.

“The backlash would be amazing,” Beasley quotes one source as saying. “Guys would legit revolt.”

The Texans cannot trade Clowney until he signs his franchise tender, so the pass rusher essentially controls where Houston trades him. Houston reportedly also has talked to the Eagles, Seahawks, Jets and Washington about the Pro Bowler.

TO bad we can't try and get Tent Williams:

To no surprise, Washington tackle Trent Williams won’t show up for the start of the regular season. To little surprise, the team continues to be stubborn about the situation.

Via Chris Russell of 106.7 the Fan in D.C., Williams has told former Washington teammate DeAngelo Hall that there’s “zero chance” that Williams will report for Week One against the Eagles.

Team president Bruce Allen continues to insist that Williams will play for Washington this season. But Washington hasn’t done much, if anything, to persuade Williams to want to play for the team. By all appearances, he wants out as a result of the way the team handled the growth on his head — and the passage of time isn’t softening his stance.

Allen reportedly believed that training-camp fines in the amount of $40,000 would get Williams to cave. They didn’t. The next question is whether losing game checks in excess of $638,000 will matter. Williams has said or done nothing to suggest that he’ll be swayed by that, either.

"Galant wrote:

‘Revolt’ brewing in Miami Dolphins locker room if team deals Tunsil, source says

Read more here: https://t.co/p7KYJu15MN

— Adam Beasley (@AdamHBeasley) August 29, 2019

I would revolt.

"KeyFin wrote:

And he's not going to sign until the trade talks are completed and he's going to a team he wants. I think he's probably okay with Miami since they're asking about Tunsil, Stills, Parker, etc....they wouldn't have those in-depth discussions if we were definitely out of the picture. I'm just not sure it's the right move or the right time- Clowney is dead-set on getting a bigger payday now (a team can pay more than the Franchise Tag to placate him).

I do feel a little better though knowing why he's sat out- they tagged him as a linebacker and that cost him about $1.3 million. They did the same thing last season (designating him a linebacker) and they ended up giving him a $1M bonus at the end of the year since he played about 70% of his snaps at end....then they tagged him LB all over again. So I sort of get it, he's sitting out on principal since DE's make more money and he was used as a DE most. That's kinda a BS move anyway to screw with a Pro-Bowler like that.

But even though that eases my concerns, I still don't like the logistics and I'll be furious if we trade Tunsil...then lose Clowney too in 2020. It's a real possibility and that's why I'd pass.

Listen bro, if they deal Tunsil, I will pick up a pitchfork and torch right with you. Trading him would be beyond foolish. I love Clowney and all, but let's be serious, he's never had 10 sacks in a season, and Tunsil is probably the best player on the team and definitely a 10+ year LT.

It would be a nightmare to see Tunsil traded away. You need a franchise QB, a stud DE, and a stud LT to build a team around. We have one of those positions filled at the moment.

My money is on Seattle. They have cap space, need, scheme fit and they are a contender. I see them sitting back and letting Clowney figure out he gets a little leverage, but too much is going to cost him more than he wants to give up. Shehacks are going to get him for CJ Procise and a 3rd. Clowney will get a three year 48 ish Kinda deal.

Why would a vet in his prime want to come be a part of a 3 year project when he could negotiate his way on to a contender?

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I don’t understand why we’d trade a proven player for a good player who may not resign with us and draft picks that have a 40% chance of turning out.

I guess I just need to sit back, trust the current regime and let this play out.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I don’t understand why we’d trade a proven player for a good player who may not resign with us and draft picks that have a 40% chance of turning out.

I guess I just need to sit back, trust the current regime and let this play out.

Me neither.

I will explode with anger if the Dolphins trade Laremy Tunsil to the Texans for JaDeveon Clownshoe. The ONLY way I'd be ok with this is if A. Houston throws in a first round pick, and B. Clowney happily re signs here after joyously announcing a loving desire to remain in Miami.