This should be fun to watch to see how much improvement Gholston has made.
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i don't know if fun is the word i would use.
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Well, it is hard to tell with a young player how much improvement they may have made in the offseason.
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i'm hoping he has regressed. :lol:
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I honestly don't think that's possible :pity:
This really is a tough break for the Jests. I feel for them......
Wait for it
Wait for it
Boooooohyah.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
I bet Jests fans must feel like that silly rabbit when he ALMOST has his TrixCrappy Tipper and steveincolorado like this. -
Who else does fatboy have to put in?
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Too bad we dont play the Jests while Gholston is starter :(
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Yeah, like Pace was SOOOOO much of a terror the last time we faced him.
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Rotoworld, it also has Ryan basically saying Nacho Sanchez will be the starter for the Jets this season.124 likes this.
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But also Ryan could've went into Training Camp with an open battle with a couple of young guys that the organization really likes. He truly believes Vernon is going to play at least a decent role in this defense this season. Probably when Calvin comes back it will be more of a 3rd down only type thing, but he does truly believe in him. Which is encouraging, I guess.
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Oh no buddy, Trusnik stays on the sidelines and Tarzan, the 6th overall pick, plays.
Trusnik can play some good football Gholston...we'll see.
Which makes for an interesting sidelight 124, R Ryan has no track record of developing players, whne he got to the Ravens the pieces were alread in place, he merely had to line them up, in NY the situation is different, he also has to develop some talent which is one of the real challenges a fmr Assitant Coach turned Head Coach faces. -
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He was a Ravens coach 2000-2008. Yes he was only DCoordinator the past 4 years, but he has been a Raven for the entire decade. He helped develop plenty of players, including Terrell Suggs. Suggs was handed to Ryan when he was a rookie because the Coordinator at the time (Nolan maybe?) couldn't deal with him. He told Ryan that Suggs was his problem (Ryan the DLine coach/D assistant at the time). That is the best player he himself developed. He views Gholston in the same light. I guess we'll see in time.
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Link 124? I'd like to read about it.
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If you can find a transcript to Rex Ryan's first press conference, you could. He said in this first Press Conference that Suggs was his responsibility and Gholston reminds him of Suggs. You can maybe look around NewYorkJets.com, they might have the PC in the Multimedia section with the videos.
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Hmm...I'll look around for something as taking Ryan's word for it is not quite enough to really prove anything.
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You're right about that.
Rex is like his dad I would say. :wink2:
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I looked at every draft going back to 2000 and what I found was interesting to say the least, the Ravens typically "hit" on their #1 pick, with Suggs, Reed and Ngata all making large impacts, however there later picks, the developmental ones, rarely made a large impact on the ravens* team.
*I have to asterisk that because I'm not a Ravens fan, I did notice the names of the 3rd through 7th round picks did not stand out to me, and that may explain why Ryan basically traded away his draft for 3 picks, two on offense.
Ryan, it appears, likes Veterans and occasionally inserts rookies/young players but only as accents on the starting 11 not as players, they are fillins moreso then keys to the defense.
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I don't think and never said he was lying 124, not at all, but keep in mind the Ravens traded a #2 pick to the Pats to move up to draft Suggs, he was going to play either way.
What I am saying is if you look at his track record, going back to 2000, it is clear that Ryan can help a #1 pick develop, however the rest of the draft there is little development that happened and in NFL 2009 and beyond a team has to have production out of those longshots as that frees monies to spent on other areas of the team.
I'll grant Ryan developed reed, ngata, suggs, but find the 2nd through 7th round picks he developed, the list is sort of short up until 08 even Leonhard started out with the Bills, Scott took years to make it into the lineup, he came into the NFL in 2002... -
Leonhard was hardly anything special in Buffalo. There was a reason that he was signed as a reserve. He improved because of Ryan and lets not be blind here, but because of Ed Reed as well.
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LMAO:up:
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Coaches don't lie? Is that what your saying?
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I believe it took Scott like 4 years to start?
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Eh, player development is player development, if a guy take 4 yrs to develop, then that is how long it will take.
Hmm...I know, how about we trade Jason Allen to the Jets for Vern Gholston?
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Hmm....we wouldn't have enough room under the cap, Ferguson and Gholston are both top 6 picks with huge contracts....who aren't very good players yet..