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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Dec 2, 2013.
Agreed, what are you insinuating?
I'm the only one around here that continues to defend Kaepernick, so here we go in a Ryan Tannehill thread..their 8 and 4, their getting their best weapon back, they didn't run the pistol very much this regular season, and folks continue to not believe in this guy..wait til the playoffs start, you will see once again the full arsenal that kid brings to the table..he's a player that will do anything to get the first down, so the mindset is high level, he has the athletic ability in his arm and legs to finishe what that mindset tells him.
He's a playmaker..and those attributes will only heighten when pressure gets stronger..
Loved how folks ragged on That dude this season..basically they will be proven wrong twice..
I just dont see Mike Sherman as being that kind of OC. I dont think he looks at ways to use the various weapons he has, in creative ways.
Its funny, I was listening to Channing Crowder talk about our 4th qtr struggles. He said...he actually thinks Sherman runs out of plays in the 4th qtr. He said alot of OC's will have a handfull of plays they save for the 4th qtr....that defenses get the breakdown of an offense so fast now....that if you present the same stuff in the 4th qtr...teams have already adjusted. He thinks Mike Sherman doesnt prepare this way. And..really...think about it. We see them do an amazing gameplan in the first half. They use Wallace differently....etc. Then he just makes no adjustment. Teams all go, ok, we've seen this. Its fine if you have a running game where you line up and say...try and stop me.
Its not that I dont think hes a bad QB. I do think that sloowwww delivery will hurt him more then help.
I think the fact the Seahawks have only lost one game so far this season might tend to show they are better than the vast majority of the teams in the NFL, whether they are playing at home or on the road. Obviously playing in Seattle is a huge advantage for them, but I think they would still be the best team in the NFL right now, even if they were playing their home games in South Florida.
They are a very talented team with an excellent coaching staff. Even with the stadium in South Florida, I still think they would be 8-0 at home if they played all their home games here.
I don't..Wilson is undefeated at home...when your a rookie Qb no matter how good you are you lose games, see andrew luck...that venue is a big advantage in this sport..it's not to discredit Wilson's game..you know how I feel about the kid get from the get..he's special.
I've tested his delivery when he was coming out, it's deceptively normal.
If he was a rookie QB right now, I might agree with you. The fact is that he is not a rookie QB and the Seahawks are one of the most talented teams in the entire NFL. Therefore I stick with my belief that they would still be undefeated at home this year, no matter where they played their home games, even in South Florida.
If they had played the same teams at home this year that the Dolphins have played, I don't see any team on the Dolphins home schedule who could beat this Seahawk team in Miami. Right now the Seahawk players aren't used to the weather in Miami and it would be difficult for them to travel across country and play in the heat and humidity. Yet if this was their home and they practiced and played in the weather year round, the talent on the team is so great, they could easily go 8-0 in Miami. Also if this team played in Miami, the stands would be filled for every home game and that would drastically improve the overall atmosphere in the stadium on game days.
what? you guys have band wagoners?
He was a rookie last year, and he was undefeated at home..and your last sentence tells me you don't understand the advantage Seattle clearly has at their venue, comparing it to sunlife with a full house is lol funny.
He threw a bad interception against SD with a defender buzzing underneath the comeback.
Good post, though. It's pretty clear he's a guy that's definitely improved.
Foles is not the ideal skill set for Coach Visor's offense. Chipper adapted things to make it work with Foles. If Chip had Wilson running it, they'd probably never punt.
Seattle and Nawlins probably have the best home field advantages of anyone. If the Seahawks and Saints had played in the Big Easy, you could probably flip flop the final score.
He's noticeably improved in this area over the last few games, IMO.
Yup there seemingly has been a conscious effort..would like to see more than 13 yards a game with no scores.
I've commented on that very play after you pointed out how he had his hand two hands on the ball the other day, it was fine play.
I think in North American sports we like to quantify intangible concepts like greatness. And I think Wilson is kinda falling into that category much as Luck and RG3 were last year (Wilson as well to a lesser extent).
This comes from the "just do it" or results oriented mindset - which is something I've never really believed in. I don't believe in something called the "IT" factor. What I have always believed in is the process of getting results...the practice, the cognitive training, the detailed preparation. This is what I believe is the key to longterm success.
Back to the front. You look at Luck. He had a lot of come from behind wins last year and was anointed the next great QB. What was lost in the euphoria was the fact he was a very unpolished passer and relied heavily on his athletic ability. Fast forward to this year and his pocket passing skills and patience in the pocket have yet to develop.
RG3 is now receiving the wrath of unfulfilled "greatness." There's nothing the media hates more than to fawn over your greatness just to watch you fail to achieve it. Beyond the knee injury, there are just so many holes in RG3's game that'll it's a concern if he'll sustain himself as a starting caliber QB. Maybe this has something to do with him believing in his own "greatness" and not focusing on the details or "process" of becoming a great player.
For Wilson, he will never be anything less than an above average starting QB because he is detail-oriented. But we'd be foolish to whole-heartedly buy into his greatness without looking at his situation. He has a beast of a running back, is rarely playing from behind with that great defense, most of his passes are high percentage and his home field advantage is off the charts. Circumstances do matter in pro sports. In time, once they have to pay him $20M and by extension the talent around him lessened, we'll find out if he can sit in the pocket, make whole field reads and throw 40+ times to win football games.
Time will tell on all these players.
I didn't compare it to the atmosphere in Seattle. I merely stated that a winning team with the talent the Seahawks have would draw larger crowds than the Dolphins do at this time. There is only a few stadiums in the NFL who have the type of atmosphere which Seattle does. I agree the atmosphere in Sunlife would never get to what it is in Seattle, but I still think this Seahawk team would finish 8-0 if they played their home games here instead of in Seattle.
I see what your saying, you could very well be right..Seattle is a very good team with that Qb..one thing you have to take into account, no matter the opponent, that venue does not allow their home team to come out playing like anything but a bunch of crazed dogs..and in the game of football imo, factors like this matters..
So if you were a coach, and you had yourself a thoroughbred athlete as a Qb, would you train that horse to stay in the pocket first?
It's a good post, I don't agree with all of it, but it makes me think...
Luck is leading his division and about to take his team to consecutive playoff appearances with those legs and shoddy pocket skills.
Seems like they're going despite Luck, not because of Luck.
Are you messin with me man with no name?
Do stats and qbr rating and all the numbers account for situational football at critical parts of the field, at critical parts of the game?.... No...they don't, it's just a completion, it's just a throw away, it's just Yards on a Qb run, do stats show how the Qb escaped a pocket when it collapsed and delivered a throw for the first down???. No..they don't.
For me, I would always want to develop the pocket skills - even at the expense of a win or two in the early years. If this coaching staff allowed Tannehill to do the "one read and run" technique I think we would have maybe an extra win. But what's the longterm cost? The longterm cost might be truly elite level QB play because these one read and run habits appear hard to break.
brother, ive been racking my brain all season on this topic..the philosophy of neutering your qb, sacrifice gameplanning in the process,for the bettermeant of long term success by the prospect just blows my mind..if true it also really makes it difficult to evaluate the qb...the funny thing is i can totally see how it would work.
Looking better every week.
I think in the end they do. Maybe not directly. But those little things will end up producing TDs for the QB
and limiting their TOs. Not everything is perfect though. That's kind of the beauty and frustration of football. Big Ben's and Tanny's turnovers both led to TDs but Ben's won't show up on the stat sheet even though I think Ben was just as responsible for his TO as Ryan. Eventually, though, I think these things even out and are reflected in the stats over time
Hennehill is meh. If we had a good QB we'd be steamrolling teams.
You could say that for a lot of teams. He's an inexperienced, 2nd year QB who's still improving. He's thrown for 20 TD's this season and will likely throw for over 4,000 yards. Not to mention we are in the playoff hunt.
Not too shabby for a 2nd year guy who we all knew when we drafted him would need some time to develop.
I'm ecstatic with Tannehill, showing signs of a young nfl quarterback but c'mon. ..he just went to pitt with an avalanche falling on him and battled it out with big ben to get the win. Not to mention the D did not have a very imposing game. Love me some 17 right now. Keep it coming
Great timing dumbass.
THill's 48 yd run..just wow...this not the SparanoPhins, our Rb's are not driving the team
He did not fold the tent after throwing the pick 6, he just kept attacking
Not always effectively mind everyone, BUT there was no sense that he shrank away
He has shown marked improvement since the Cincinatti game.
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Tannehill at 19-14 for td/int. Nice so far.
20 tds now.
Credit Tannehill with the 4th qtr comeback and come from behind win.
Tannehill finished the game 20 for 33 for 201 yards, three (3) touchdowns, and one interception, giving him an 95.5 passer rating on the day. He now has 3,316 yards and 20 passing TDs. He also had two rushes for 56 yards to move us to to 7-6 on the season.
Congrats, troll, you are now the first person ever to make my ignore list.