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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Henry TDs might be down but he is a huge reason why their winning. He is keeping drives alive and offenses off the field.

    Tannehill is going to have to win this next game, I think KC will strike early and fast. Im afraid they will have to abonded their running game to keep up
     
  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Peyton on Denver wasn't hall of fame peyton.
    Foles
    Flacco
    Eli

    I wouldn't call them average but they aren't elite
     
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  3. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    And I'll ask the Tennessee fan here: what do you know of your team that gives you confidence that it can win if Tannehill indeed has to take on such a role against KC? Which of Tannehill's performances this year against a similar team would you base that on?
     
  4. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    Foles, Flacco, and Eli were all on rookie contracts when they won Super Bowls. Only Eli Manning's second Super Bowl win featured an average QB who wasn't on his rookie contract, and again that was the only one of its kind in the last 15 years.
     
  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I get that. But, it's not leading to tons of points. So, in the end, you have other teams not having to score tons of points to win. That's why Tannehill is so important. He's willing to let the back feature, and just capitalize on the few throws he gets. He's team first. He really doesn't care about being the center of attention, imo. And I think that's what theGuy is missing with his stats and their predictions. How TDs has Tannehill thrown this postseason, that didn't count cause of receiver errors, or flat out dropped? He's been much better than the stats suggest. If his stats against the Patriots had been 8-15 for 200 yards and 3 TDs, how could you complain? And, frankly, his play that game should have resulted in that sort of outcome. Which is why I think TheGuy won't breakdown his passes in that game.
     
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  6. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Same team.

    And this is why we are deadly. We have a capable QB that can beat you with the pass. Our offense is deadly, and If I was Chiefs Id be thinking right now do I wanna make a decision on stopping the run game or the pass game?

    I'd still take my chances on stopping Henry and letting Tanehill beat them, wich I think he is capable of doing. Last time we matched up against KC we had Tammy drive us down the field for a win with 54 seconds left on the game, hitting Humphries in the middle for a TD.

    People that are discrediting Tannehill are also fools. When we had Marifloata under center our offense was nonexistence, only averaging around 16ppg. Even our oline was not peforming to the level it is now. What was even worst is Henry couldnt get it going, and our WRs looked like bunch of scrubs...but that changed in week 7 when Vrabel made the change to Tammy, and the rest is history.
     
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  7. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate your response, but you do realize that in the regular season game against KC, Tannehill threw only 19 passes for 181 yards, and Derrick Henry ran the ball 23 times for 188 yards? Certainly they won the game, but that doesn’t exactly fit the bill with regard to Tannehill’s needing to win the game through the air because Henry has been shut down.
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You're acting like Henry being in beastmode is a negative on Tannehill.

    1. He didn't enter beastmode until after Tannehill took over. His numbers throughout his career are nowhere close to what he's doing with Tannehill.

    2. Why should the gameplan feature Tannehill right now, when Henry is beasting? Again, you're being critical of Tannehill's play, yet you've given no proof that TANNEHILL'S play is what has resulted in the stats he had, when people who watch the game can see many instances in the last two games where the receivers screwed him.

    3. Tannehill is getting limited opportunities as the Titans are maximizing Henry right now. In those limited opportunities that Tannehill has had, he's often making the right throw, but receivers aren't completing the play.
     
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  9. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Tennesee was down by a TD with 54 seconds left of the game, and Tammy took this offense and won them the game.

    The overall usage is irrelavant to the discussion. Im saying that Tannehill is more than capable of scoring in clutch moments. And im pretty confident that if the run game is shut down he can step up and make plays in the pocket throughout the game. Chiefs pass D doesnt really scare anyone.
     
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  10. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    On that game-winning drive, he threw only two passes. Again the question is whether he can perform in a way associated with winning when he has to play a high-volume game.
     
  11. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    That remains to be seen, but from what I've watched , yes he is very capable of doing just that. He can make throws in tight windows and hes pocket presence is light years ahead of Marifloatas.
     
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  12. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    There are several people in this thread with 1000x this dude's football knowledge who flatly disagree with almost 100% of what he says...that's enough for me.

    He tries to prop up his statistical analysis as some sort of wizardry about identifying what makes Tannehill crappy, then cbrad (who obviously knows much more about this stuff) comes in and proves his crap wrong. Further confirmation he don't know what the hell he's talking about.

    If I didn't know better, I'd think it was an elaborate intentional troll job.
     
  13. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Why is this important? But, 391 yards and 42 points against the Raiders. Traded TDs in the first half then put them away.
     
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  14. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    It was a FOUR PLAY drive. 18 yard RUN BY TANNEHILL! Incomplete pass. 20 yard PASS BY TANNEHILL! 23 YARD TD PASS BY TANNEHILL!!!!!! 2 Pt conversion BY TANNEHILL!!!!!!!
     
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  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    That is a BEAST drive by any standard.

    Edit: Ask him if he actually watched the 2 point conversion...
     
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  16. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    I kind of knew he was full of it and was too lazy to look up the game log stats.

    Props for calling it out. Lol
     
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  17. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I think he looked them up, and intentionally left out any positive information and gleaned "only 2 passes."
     
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  18. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    My mistake and my apologies. He threw three passes and completed two. You'll have to pardon me for making a mistake with a statistic in a thread in which I've posted probably hundreds. But I do appreciate your attention to it because I certainly value the accuracy of information.

    Let's not lose the forest for the trees here, however. The question is whether Tannehill can perform in a way associated with winning when he has to play a high-volume game, i.e., when the team isn't essentially being carried by Derrick Henry.
     
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  19. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure you'd get much agreement that "laziness" is a trait of mine when it comes to looking up statistical information, but carry on....
     
  20. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    No, that's not the question that anybody with any football common sense should be asking
     
  21. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Not laziness. It was intentional. He didn't guess two passes.
     
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  22. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Slightly left of center
    You mean like, uhmm...by winning? Or maybe you mean more by not losing? I could see where you would conclude that not losing is acting in a way "associated with winning". At least statistically speaking.
     
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  23. The Guy

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    That's the best example to date, but even in that game he threw just 27 passes, which was the same as the average number per game of the quarterbacks with the lowest numbers of pass attempts per game in the league in 2019 (Tannehill and Lamar Jackson).

    Consider for example that the average number of passes thrown by QBs in conference championship games since 2009 is 35, meaning that roughly half the teams involved in those games threw more passes than that, the highest being 58.
     
  24. The Guy

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    I was working off of memory from some time ago, and my recollection that he completed two passes interfered with what I said about the number of passes he attempted. In reality he attempted three. Again my apologies....
     
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  25. Fin-O

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    Why are you guy’s attacking him like that? No matter how silly he may or may not sound, all the crap he is getting is ridiculous.

    People are allowed to disagree and even extremely.

    Some of y’all are starting to remind me of those idiot mom is the basement Portland dudes, who harass anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
     
  26. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Ok but you have to go to the QB era to make your point. Like I said defenses have adjusted since then. They run nickel and dine packages almost as a base defense and no longer have 250 and 260 linebackers Now everyone is 225 to 240.

    If you change the timeframe to 8 years only one elite QB has won a superbowl. Three in fact but five werent
     
  27. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Did they average 42 points?
     
  28. The Guy

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    You're leaving out one of the important parts of the equation here, which is that average QBs almost never win Super Bowls when they aren't on rookie contracts.

    This is important because it has to do with how much salary cap money is left over for a team to assemble the talent necessary to win a Super Bowl around an average quarterback, once it's paid the average quarterback the going rate for such quarterbacks beyond their rookie contracts.

    Consider for example that in 2017 Ryan Tannehill with the Dolphins had a salary cap hit of $20.3M, which was over 12% of the team's cap. Now consider that Patrick Mahomes for example has a salary cap hit of just under $4.5M this year, which is 2.4% of his team's cap.

    The issue is, can you surround an average QB with enough talent under the salary cap to win a Super Bowl, when that QB is beyond his rookie contract and his salary therefore interferes with the acquisition of such talent?
     
  29. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    What you should have recalled from that drive is "DAMN, Tannehill. That was nuts! You just marched down the field and WON THE GOD DAMN GAME!" Instead, you recalled "only two passes thrown". How can you not see the problem?
     
  30. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    Lamar Jackson had like 51 passing attempts, and the only had 12 pts on the board.
     
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    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

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  32. M1NDCRlME

    M1NDCRlME Fear The Spear

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    Well sure. Mahomes is actually a great passer who is a threat to run. Jackson is a great runner.
     
  33. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    He's so damn effortless and multiple with his release points and angles...kid's insane. Looks like this era's Danny boy.
     
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  34. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    And neither do elite QBs who don't play for Belichik. Apparently only QBs on rookie contracts are valuable in today's moneyball
    So draft a QB and don't resign him when his first contract comes up. And if you can sell that philosophy to the fans and owner more power to you
     
  35. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    He is the only QB that has ever reminded me of Marino.
     
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  36. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    He’s completely obnoxious. That’s why.
     
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  37. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    This cracked me up.

     
  38. Fin-O

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    Take a deep breath and prepare to watch an amazing CFB game.

    I’ll be watching Simmons closely, I think he is the pick of someone snags Tua or his injury is still unclear.
     
  39. Fin-O

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    Simmons is all over the field early. Wow.
     
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  40. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Congrats bengals. You found your qb. Maybe you can teach us how to tank this offseason
     
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