Ryan Tannehill

I’m willing to bet anyone if Herbert fails it’s cause he doesn’t have it between the ears. That Oregon offense is qb for dummies. So either it’s a qb can’t handle more or the oc is a joke.

Nfl teams in tbe qb draft market have to figure that out.

I've stopped reading at post 3400. I called it, what was going to happen after the Titans/Patriots game...

If Tannehill wins, the naysayers will say yea but...
If He loses, the naysayers will say I told you so...

This conversation will continue well after the Ravens game...even if Tannehill has a stellar game.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I think this is something fans are guilty of too.

We want to be like team X or Y, have a QB like a certain player.

Whoever we end up with is going to be a unique individual with strengths and weaknesses for example.

So what if Tannehill does better with a strong running game? Some people see that as a weakness.

It's a weakness because to the degree that a quarterback is dependent on other parts of the team for his own individual performance, the question becomes whether those other parts of the team can be sustained.

A ridiculous example illustrates the point: a very good high school quarterback might be able to play individually at a winning level in the NFL, but only if his team could surround him with the best 10 other offensive players in the history of the game. Obviously that quarterback's winning-level performance is dependent on something that can't even happen, which hamstrings his team completely.

Likewise, NFL-level quarterbacks vary in the degree to which they depend on their surroundings for their own success. The ones who are more dependent on their surroundings cause their teams to maintain those surroundings, which isn't easy. Injuries, free agency, retirement, poor draft picks, poor trades, poor free agent signings, etc. -- all of those kinds of things can interfere with the sustainability of the quarterback's surroundings and make it difficult for the quarterback who depends on them to perform at a winning level.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Those of you who bad mouth Tannehill how would you feel if Belichik brings him to New England next year to replace Brady

I would be delighted with that, because I believe Tannehill can't get a team through the playoffs in today's NFL. Therefore a division rival would have a critical ceiling on its performance and make it easier for the Dolphins to proceed through the playoffs, given sufficient talent of their own.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

I've stopped reading at post 3400. I called it, what was going to happen after the Titans/Patriots game...

If Tannehill wins, the naysayers will say yea but...
If He loses, the naysayers will say I told you so...

This conversation will continue well after the Ravens game...even if Tannehill has a stellar game.

Whether the Titans win or lose is immaterial. The question for me is whether Tannehill can play in the playoffs at a level associated with winning. The Titans won the other day, and Tannehill's overall performance would be associated with 83 losses out of every 100 games he played in that manner. We just happened to see one of the other 17.

"The Guy wrote:

The question for me is whether Tannehill can play in the playoffs at a level associated with winning.

Your question used to be could Tannehill play at all. And it wasn't;t a question, you were sure eh couldn't.

Funny it changed after he proved that wrong.

"The Guy wrote:

I would be delighted with that, because I believe Tannehill can't get a team through the playoffs in today's NFL. Therefore a division rival would have a critical ceiling on its performance and make it easier for the Dolphins to proceed through the playoffs, given sufficient talent of their own.

As they say...”Don’t quit your day job”.

No wonder Joe Philbin got queasy. Some of these throws aren't what most would consider high-percentage, but it is fun to watch.

"FinFaninBuffalo wrote:

It comes down to whether you are debating honestly and he is not. Never has. My biggest issue is that he refuses to address what happens on the field. You could have a game with 50 dropped passes. He would write "Tannehill went 0 for 50"........ On the other hand if Tannehill goes 50 for 50, he'd scour the Internet for some stat that diminished the accomplishment. At a minimum, he'd make the bold statement that "it isn't sustainable".

Search your feelings Luke... you know this to be true.....

Are you talking about me??

"The Guy wrote:

Tannehill's overall performance would be associated with 83 losses out of every 100 games he played in that manner.

A 15 pass sample size is simply not a large enough sample size to make that claim and you know it. This is why it is obvious that you are trolling with an agenda.

"djphinfan wrote:

Are you talking about me??

No

Titans only possessed the ball for 11 minutes in the first half. That’s surprising.

fun fact when the ravens beat the pats in the 09 playoffs I believe in New England joe flacco threw the back a whopping 10 times.

pretty sure they won the whole kit and caboodle that year. (Not saying I see the titans doing that)

"FinFaninBuffalo wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't believe he argues in good faith.

What?? I’m confused, so you are telling me that I don’t argue in good faith? Just so we’re on the same page here.

"smahtaz wrote:

No wonder Joe Philbin got queasy. Some of these throws aren't what most would consider high-percentage, but it is fun to watch.

That is ridiculous

"djphinfan wrote:

What?? I’m confused, so you are telling me that I don’t argue in good faith? Just so we’re on the same page here.

Not talking about you. None of my posts were referring to you. I apologize to you and the other poster if I was unclear.

Odds are good if the titans get smoked this week you will be able to look to the los as to why. Usually when someone gets it handed to them it’s cause they got destroyed at the los and on both sides of it

I’m not expecting that but an extra week is a huge advantage.

"smahtaz wrote:

No wonder Joe Philbin got queasy. Some of these throws aren't what most would consider high-percentage, but it is fun to watch.

Talk about a level of play associated with winning in the NFL. In spades.

Now, if that's the gameplan against the Ravens, we could see a chunk of that. That game is playing with house money anyway. Those Ravens, as a team, are ridiculous right now. Elite Defense, Elite (unstoppable) Offense...is ANYBODY gonna beat 'em?

"Hoops wrote:

Odds are good if the titans get smoked this week you will be able to look to the los as to why. Usually when someone gets it handed to them it’s cause they got destroyed at the los and on both sides of it

I’m not expecting that but an extra week is a huge advantage.

That 10 point spread for this I think was conservative. Ravens are insane man...only lost 2 games, and those were way before their defense got rolling. EASILY the best defense 2nd half of the season.

10 point line in favor of the ravens I think that should be more 13. But maybe that Lamar first game in the postseason thing is playing into it.

I don’t buy it. That team bludgeons people downhill.

"Hoops wrote:

10 point line in favor of the ravens I think that should be more 13. But maybe that Lamar first game in the postseason thing is playing into it.

I don’t buy it. That team bludgeons people downhill.

But if the far superior team beats the upstart missing key players on both sides of the ball, it'll be Tanny's fault.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

That 10 point spread for this I think was conservative. Ravens are insane man...only lost 2 games, and those were way before their defense got rolling. EASILY the best defense 2nd half of the season.

ha I was just thinking that line was low. Ravens always beat up miami at the los I don’t think it will be easy vs the titans o line but I could see 200 plus yards rushing and 400 total yards or more easy out of that ravens offense.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

But if the far superior team beats the upstart missing key players on both sides of the ball, it'll be Tanny's fault.

That’s kinda like when we played Detroit years ago and everyone blamed tannehill as their dline literally whooped us all over the field. It was a massacre at the los.

I’m not sensing that this week witb the titans but I do think Tennessee’s gonna have a hard time with that o.

At this point it’s pretty much all gravy though. They made the postseason after a 2 and 4 going nowhere start and sent the yearly juggernaut patriots home in New England. May have ended the Brady era in New England in the process. The rest is gravy.

"Hoops wrote:

Odds are good if the titans get smoked this week you will be able to look to the los as to why. Usually when someone gets it handed to them it’s cause they got destroyed at the los and on both sides of it

I’m not expecting that but an extra week is a huge advantage.

Because this is a tannehill thread I would think one just needs to watch his play in isolation to know what level of performance he reaches..variables change all the time, olines break down, pockets break down...The Qb needs to be able to navigate through it and make enough plays to help the team convert and win..

Ryan right now has an outstanding run game and a very good oline..if the topic here is can ryan win when all variables are hi level then I’m not sure you would get much disagreement..

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

But if the far superior team beats the upstart missing key players on both sides of the ball, it'll be Tanny's fault.

I don’t think anyone that you should take serious judges qbs on wins and losses.