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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

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  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It’s utterly amazing to me that the stats guys can’t see this. You are so right, I remember so many games in Miami that Tannehill was under pressure less than a second after the snap.

    With the OL we had in Miami during Tannehill’s time here, it wouldn’t have mattered who our quarterback was, their stats would be subpar.

    Yet the stats boys never took this into consideration. Tannehill sucked, bottom line, end of story.

    Who’s laughing now? Tannehill!!!
     
  3. FinFaninBuffalo

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    I'm chuckling too.....
     
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  6. Cashvillesent

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    He gets another toy this week in Darrynton Evans. He looked every bit of 2nd round talent he was drafted for this year.
     
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  7. FinFaninBuffalo

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  9. The_Dark_Knight

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    I understand why. I understand what Flores was doing when he gutted the roster for the rebuild but Jesus, with the OL we have now playing pretty solid, can you just imagine where we would be sitting had we kept Tannehill?
     
  10. The_Dark_Knight

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    Me too. I always KNEW he was a great quarterback!!
     
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  11. FinFaninBuffalo

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  13. Tin Indian

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    I would have loved to have kept Ryan, unfortunately it was best for him to move on. I'm happy the guy is getting the success in Tennessee he deserves. As things are the Dolphins and Ryan are both better off now so it's all good.

    Now if Tennessee could figure out how to play Defense!
     
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  14. Pauly

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    The thing is we’d tried 3 OCs plus an interim OC, 2HCs and an interim HC and 2 GMs and the team was mediocre and the only constant in the key personnel wes Tannehill. It made perfect sense to move on from Tannehill, and I say that as a long term believer in Tannehill, and my only surprise was not that he was successful, but just how successful he has been in Tennessee.
     
  15. Pauly

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    My position on pressure stats is that they don’t differentiate between a 2 DTs coming through unblocked between the A gaps before the QB can set to throw and a DE fighting through a double team 6 seconds after the snap. It all gets lumped into a basket called “pressure”. The assumption is that the type of pressures will be normally distributed and average out over a large enough sample size. Miami’s OL in the Tannehill years, to my eyeballs, was letting through an abnormally high number of unblocked/unimpeded rushers through.

    When the pressure stats start to differentiate between
    - time to pressure
    - number of rushers
    - whether the rusher was blocked or free
    Then they will become much more useful. I believe we are actually close to that as time to pressure is now being charted.
     
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  16. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Add down and distance and point differential and play calling.
     
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  17. PhinFan1968

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    That boy's havin' the time of his life. Love to see it. His interaction with Henry at the end there is fun to watch.
     
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  18. AGuyNamedAlex

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    To be fair ot doesnt matter how many life boats you have if all of them have holes.

    We had Philbin and Gase who are terrible head coaches.
     
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  19. Cashvillesent

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    Its going to be interesting to see Tannehill haters just how much time they are going to give Tua to develop before they throw him under the bus.
     
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  21. FinFaninBuffalo

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    According to many of the haters, we should draft a QB with the pick we got from Houston. "Take one every year until you find a great one".
     
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  22. PhinFan1968

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    Naa Tua will get time to grow with the critical folks. The big difference is he comes in with a strong NFL level toolset and was successful on the biggest stages in college. Get that kid a couple decent targets, and he'll fly, IMO.
     
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  23. FinFaninBuffalo

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    I’m just repeating what people said for years. It is a nonsensical position. I like what I see from Tua. I’m a little concerned over arm strength but he looks to have the smarts and quickness to overcome what is average arm strength. His size also worries me but they’ll just have to be smart with him.

    if the #allabouttheqb crowd wants Mahomes or Rodgers like QB play, I think they will be disappointed. That doesn’t mean Tua can’t be great (Brees, Wilson) but he just doesn’t have the elite arm talent.
     
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  25. Phins_to_Win

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    For those pushing the narrative that Tannehill needs an elite line to perform, this is the line he is currently working with.

    Quessenberry rd 6 .8 million avg salary
    Saffold III rd 2 11 million avg salary
    Jones rd 4 6.8 million avg salary
    Davis rd 3 1 million avg salary
    Kelly rd 5 5.75 million avg salary

    These guys are coached up well, but talent wise they aren't a top 10 unit by any means. We should have been able to put together a line that could match this in a single offseason, how we failed to do it for so many years is beyond me.

    There was a drop off in Tannehill's performance when he lost some of the starters to the line, but through game planning and solid adjustments by Tannehill himself he has been able to continue on with a phenomenal year. You could make the argument that Tannehill was able to handle the injuries to the O-line cause he had a ton of practice behind a bad O-line here.
     
  26. Cashvillesent

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    I mentioned that few posts ago. The guys left tackle is a 3rd string LT that was out of football for years...
     
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  27. FinFaninBuffalo

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    From 2019

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  30. Tin Indian

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    Agreed!
     
  31. Tin Indian

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    Like I was saying, they don't even have to be good, just competent. During his time here we had neither. I'm sorry if you don't have a decent O line nothing on offense works.
     
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  32. KeyFin

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    There's a massive difference between a great offensive line and an average line. But even if you fall into that "really good" category, people need to realize that blocking is like a chess match. One week you have a team that loves pressure up the middle, which forces your RB to stay at home or be ready for a quick pass. Sometimes that's not on the line AT ALL...it's on the formation or others helping out. The next week you face an elite edge rusher that's stunting to create all kinds of chaos.

    This isn't Madden where each guy has a number and he blocks at that level on every play.

    Teams scheme to exploit offensive lines daily and the right coaching can succeed against horrible or great lines. People really need to stop this elite nonsense- it simply doesn't exist. I mean, look what the Dolphins just did to NE. The line blocked great, but we were gaining rushing yards based on the line plus the TE plus exotic schemes to load up a single area of weakness. Our young line wasn't/isn't elite...they just did a solid job working together and staying aggressive. Because most of the time, it's not technique that fails....it's pure speed, formation, stunts, loading the box or whatever that lets someone break free.

    Tannehill did have a really weak interior line in Miami but a big part of that was injury and lack of depth. The difference this season for us is guys like Robert Hunt coming off the bench and absolutely mauling people in the minutes that he has. We never had that in the RT era and the decline from 1st to 2nd string was massive. Tennessee does have a "better" front five than we did but it's a lot like we're doing in Miami....it's the consistency of working together that's really paying off there.

    To put it bluntly, our offensive line coaching sucked for a good stretch there and we drafted the wrong types of linemen. The fix wasn't as hard as people expected because we just went with a bunch of maulers and great leadership.
     
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  33. Phins_to_Win

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    Completely agree. I think you can go a long way with a line that is "coached up", but you still need to be game planning for each match up. Miami failed on both of these points, so the only way Miami would have compensated would be stellar talent.... and we sucked at drafting and free agency... so...
     
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  34. PhinFan1968

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    Ya my only 2 concerns were injury history and arm strength...he don't have a cannon, nor is it as strong as RT's, but after watching several throws several times, from 2020, it's good enough IMO...it's not like it's Feidler-weak. And as for the injury history (the factor that made me not care if they drafted him or Herbert), the team accepted it, so I will. I believe this team's future is GLARINGLY bright for the first time in multiple decades.
     
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  36. Cashvillesent

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    Tanne is invited to the cook out in the hood.
     
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  37. PhinFan1968

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    What's even crazier, is right now, the Dolphins have the #1 defense in the NFL...and the Titans are the #1 offense in the NFL...

     
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