Ryan Tannhill led us to the playoffs not Matt Moore

"dolphin25 wrote:

Moore helped us win 3, so far

lol

OK.. let's split it by attempts. Tannehill had 20 attempts in the Arizona game and Moore had 5, so how about Tannehill helped us win 7.8 games and Moore 2.2?

"danmarino wrote:

I see why you just don't understand football. RT had a 94 passer rating in the Browns game.. If you want to go by ESPN's QBR ( like you did here) be my guest, but not many people here will take you seriously. RT also managed 3 TD's, over 300 yards passing, and completed 65% of his passes against the Browns, but by all means, keep cherry picking.

Cleveland has allowed a 101.7 passer rating this year. Tanny's 94 is underachieving

"jdang307 wrote:

Cleveland has allowed a 101.7 passer rating this year. Tanny's 94 is underachieving

Wow. Thanks Jd. Thanks for the cherry on top of the cake. This thread is laughable. Underachieving. 3 to 1 td/int ratio over 2.5 games. People are pulling muscles trying so hard . Moore is QB for this week and probably through the playoffs. Hope he plays lights out. This other stuff is weak and demeaning. Underachieving?... yikes.

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"jdang307 wrote:

Cleveland has allowed a 101.7 passer rating this year. Tanny's 94 is underachieving

"LI phinfan wrote:

Wow. Thanks Jd. Thanks for the cherry on top of the cake. This thread is laughable. Underachieving. 3 to 1 td/int ratio over 2.5 games. People are pulling muscles trying so hard . Moore is QB for this week and probably through the playoffs. Hope he plays lights out. This other stuff is weak and demeaning. Underachieving?... yikes.

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He had to be joking in that post...just forgot to put the :) at the end.

We had this stupid "Tannehill needs a running game to be successful" debate all offseason. Yes, in a shocking development, he is better when the run game is working. That's not earth shattering. That's called being a quarterback.

But he's also had plenty of instances in his career where he's played well when there was no running game. Including this year's Chargers, 49ers, and Cardinals games. Where Ryan had ratings of 130.6, 130.6 again, and 124.0.

So, his 3 best games this season all came when we didn't have a running game. Those are also along the highest rated games of his career.

"jdang307 wrote:

Cleveland has allowed a 101.7 passer rating this year. Tanny's 94 is underachieving

You know - I was actually going to say something when those stats were brought up.

I guess CBrad is really having an effect on me in how I view performances and not to do it in a vacuum ...... It's far more interesting to see how all QB's faired against that defense in the same year. Granted there are some variables that are hard to factor in (ex. injuries).

"jdang307 wrote:

Cleveland has allowed a 101.7 passer rating this year. Tanny's 94 is underachieving

At home Cleveland gives up a 96...Sooooo...

Also, the INT where he was hit as he threw it, which caused the ball to float over the WR, if the line doesn't allow that he's got a 105 rating. My point is, the difference between a 94 and a 101 isn't much. A few more completions (3 would have put him at 102), a few less attempts (3 less attempts 101.5)...How many balls were dropped? Do you know? etc..etc.

The problem with RT haters is that they're not consistent. They tend to bash RT for things that they overlook on Moore. Or they praise Moore for things RT does regularly. However, when RT does it it's because of Ajayi et al. In one sentence it's "Wins make the QB". In the next it's passer rating. Which ever set of facts fits their narrative and bias.

There is not one coach or GM in the NFL that would claim that Moore is the better QB. None...

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

We had this stupid "Tannehill needs a running game to be successful" debate all offseason. Yes, in a shocking development, he is better when the run game is working. That's not earth shattering. That's called being a quarterback.

But he's also had plenty of instances in his career where he's played well when there was no running game. Including this year's Chargers, 49ers, and Cardinals games. Where Ryan had ratings of 130.6, 130.6 again, and 124.0.

So, his 3 best games this season all came when we didn't have a running game. Those are also along the highest rated games of his career.

Chargers and 49'ers secondaries are average at best (they give up the 15th and 8th most Y/A and SF gave up the 5th most passing TD's this year). The Cardinals on the other hand - no doubt a notch in his belt for how he was playing there.

The problem as and has always been consistency ..... for as good as the Cards performance was, he sh*t the bed at Baltimore. Not all QB's require top shelf running attacks to be consistent.

But then again the ones I'm referring to are elite. I don't think anyone at this point in time should be confusing him for one. He's a middling QB who under the right circumstances and surroundings can break into that Top 10.

"Rock Sexton wrote:

Chargers and 49'ers secondaries are average at best (they give up the 15th and 8th most Y/A and SF gave up the 5th most passing TD's this year). The Cardinals on the other hand - no doubt a notch in his belt for how he was playing there.

The problem as and has always been consistency ..... for as good as the Cards performance was, he sh*t the bed at Baltimore. Not all QB's require top shelf running attacks to be consistent.

But then again the ones I'm referring to are elite. I don't think anyone at this point in time should be confusing him for one. He's a middling QB who under the right circumstances and surroundings can break into that Top 10.

It's true he needs to be more consistent in some parts of his game. All QB's need to do that. Even the elite ones. Brady had his inconsistencies during the 1st Jets game and the Denver game. Rodgers had his during the Tennessee, Vikings, and Chicago games. Brees had his during the Bucs, Chargers, and Detroit. RT had his at Tennessee and Baltimore.

However, the major inconsistencies that the Dolphins have shown in the past were due to coaching and o-line. An NFL QB will have bad games from time to time. Usually a couple each season. Even the elite ones. What the elite teams have, however, is a consistency throughout the organization. From the FO to the equipment managers. RT can be an elite QB. He's shown elite level play. The team around him needs to be more consistent.

Adam Gase led us to the playoffs close thread. We've seen Tannehill without Gase, no playoffs, and Moore without Gase, no playoffs. This is the dumbest thread in message board history.

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"Rock Sexton wrote:

Chargers and 49'ers secondaries are average at best (they give up the 15th and 8th most Y/A and SF gave up the 5th most passing TD's this year). The Cardinals on the other hand - no doubt a notch in his belt for how he was playing there.

The problem as and has always been consistency ..... for as good as the Cards performance was, he sh*t the bed at Baltimore. Not all QB's require top shelf running attacks to be consistent.

But then again the ones I'm referring to are elite. I don't think anyone at this point in time should be confusing him for one. He's a middling QB who under the right circumstances and surroundings can break into that Top 10.

Impossible standard, for anyone. Particularly if you consider Brady, who had nearly the same schedule.

Brady had 0 TDs in a full start against Denver (68 passer rating), and a poor 1st half, almost as bad as RT's 63 rating against Balt...and he's been touted as the model of consistency this year.

Also threw for 0 TDs / 1 INT against Seattle; 5.7 YPA and 80s rating against the Stej in a close win. And he is the odds-on favorite for league MVP.

I can see wanting more consistency from RT, but you have to consider norms. Everybody has bad games. Aaron Rodgers even had a 70 rating game this year, which is WAY below his norm (-40).

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Impossible standard, for anyone. Particularly if you consider Brady, who had nearly the same schedule.

Brady had 0 TDs in a full start against Denver (68 passer rating), and a poor 1st half, almost as bad as RT's 63 rating against Balt...and he's been touted as the model of consistency this year.

Also threw for 0 TDs / 1 INT against Seattle; 5.7 YPA and 80s rating against the Stej in a close win. And he is the odds-on favorite for league MVP.

I can see wanting more consistency from RT, but you have to consider norms. Everybody has bad games. Aaron Rodgers even had a 70 rating game this year, which is WAY below his norm (-40).

Rodgers even had a 65 against the Giants...
Ryan had a 75 against Philly.
Wilson had a 77 against Miami, 74 against the Saints, a 38 against Tampa, and a 43 against the Packers.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Impossible standard, for anyone. Particularly if you consider Brady, who had nearly the same schedule.

Brady had 0 TDs in a full start against Denver (68 passer rating), and a poor 1st half, almost as bad as RT's 63 rating against Balt...and he's been touted as the model of consistency this year.

Also threw for 0 TDs / 1 INT against Seattle; 5.7 YPA and 80s rating against the Stej in a close win. And he is the odds-on favorite for league MVP.

I can see wanting more consistency from RT, but you have to consider norms. Everybody has bad games. Aaron Rodgers even had a 70 rating game this year, which is WAY below his norm (-40).

The guys you're speaking of are tested and we're not just talking about games vs. the Chargers/49'ers. We know what they're made of during stretch runs to clinch playoffs, when they're actually in the playoffs, and how they will respond in SB's. That's how we're able to overlook those "he just had a bad game".

You don't know that about Ryan Tannehill and throughout his career he has shown that for as many "flash" games as he's shown, he plays right back down to his averages or poorly. You can argue it's the coaching, O-line, etc if you like. The narrative always seems to be when he performs at what you consider "elite" it's always just because of him, but when he doesn't it's because of everyone/everything else. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how you guys are able to decipher that.

Does he make some "elite" level throws from time to time? Surely. However he's lacked the consistency, intangibles, and pocket presence these other guys have. Elevating him into fledgling-elite status is entirely premature. I remember these conversations during Lazor's first year as the OC when it appeared Ryan might be turning the course of his career - then we know how year two went.

"danmarino wrote:

Rodgers even had a 65 against the Giants...
Ryan had a 75 against Philly.
Wilson had a 77 against Miami, 74 against the Saints, a 38 against Tampa, and a 43 against the Packers.

You can't view Rodgers in a vacuum like that. He has an ENTIRE career to hold against any poor games he had in 2016.

Wilson, on the other hand, is only in his 5th season and he's at serious risk of his narrative being career changed. He has struggled mightily with a non-existent run game and pathetic O-line.

"cbrad wrote:

lol

OK.. let's split it by attempts. Tannehill had 20 attempts in the Arizona game and Moore had 5, so how about Tannehill helped us win 7.8 games and Moore 2.2?

Who was the QB on the game winning drive?

"dolphin25 wrote:

Who was the QB on the game winning drive?

You didn't watch that last drive, huh?

"Rock Sexton wrote:

You can't view Rodgers in a vacuum like that. He has an ENTIRE career to hold against any poor games he had in 2016.

Wilson, on the other hand, is only in his 5th season and he's at serious risk of his narrative being career changed. He has struggled mightily with a non-existent run game and pathetic O-line.

Wilson will be fine :)

"danmarino wrote:

You didn't watch that last drive, huh?

So you are trying to say that was not really Matt Moore playing QB on game winning drive against the Cardinals? hmmmmm intersting? An imposter???

"danmarino wrote:

At home Cleveland gives up a 96...Sooooo...

so slightly below average. That's not really extolling his virtues.

Also, their opponents passer rating at home against Miami is exactly the same as Ryan's! Amazing

"danmarino wrote:

You didn't watch that last drive, huh?

I did. He made a couple of great reads and a couple of goo/decent throws. In his first action in five years. People want to get Tannehill eight games in a new offense this dude hasn't played in five years and he got it done. Most of us aren't arguing moore is better. But we need to stop minimizing what he's done. He's been fantastic and what he's been asked to do

"dolphin25 wrote:

So you are trying to say that was not really Matt Moore playing QB on game winning drive against the Cardinals? hmmmmm intersting? An imposter???

I'm trying to say that the duck he threw up that was, thankfully, caught by Stills wasn't anything great by Moore. He completed 3 passes and no TD's in that game.

"jdang307 wrote:

I did. He made a couple of great reads and a couple of goo/decent throws. In his first action in five years. People want to get Tannehill eight games in a new offense this dude hasn't played in five years and he got it done. Most of us aren't arguing moore is better. But we need to stop minimizing what he's done. He's been fantastic and what he's been asked to do

I know right. They wanted 8 games for Tannehill to get adjusted ......... but holy irony Batman, if MM8 has a bad half vs. Buffalo we had a couple posters dancing on his grave before halftime in the "Why you Should Believe in MM8 Thread".

"jdang307 wrote:

so slightly below average. That's not really extolling his virtues.

Also, their opponents passer rating at home against Miami is exactly the same as Ryan's! Amazing

Yes, ignore the entire post except the part where you think you're actually proving your point.

The Jets give up a 101 passer rating. Brady had an 89 against them. he must suck, huh? lol

"danmarino wrote:

I'm trying to say that the duck he threw up that was, thankfully, caught by Stills wasn't anything great by Moore. He completed 3 passes and no TD's in that game.

“You go four-and-a-half, five years without playing, and then jump in a game and go and win it, and then come and start two other games on the road in the division and win those, it’s been impressive,” Dolphins coach Adam Gase said Wednesday.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article123488594.html#storylink=cpy

apparently Gase is impressed too.

"danmarino wrote:

I'm trying to say that the duck he threw up that was, thankfully, caught by Stills wasn't anything great by Moore. He completed 3 passes and no TD's in that game.

False narrative.

He got hit on the pass, didn't just lob a lame duck. Considering the in-game situation of the game and relevance to making the playoffs - that takes serious moxy and belief in him by his coaches to even allow that route as an option to begin with. But they saw how badly that DB was getting beaten all game.