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Ryan Tannhill led us to the playoffs not Matt Moore

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Dec 26, 2016.

  1. dWreck

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    He's confusing you for Shane Falco, whom he got into a pissing contest with earlier in the season over real estate BS that literally no one cares about.

    Wow I bet NASA can see his dong from the ISS too
    kek
     
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  2. jdang307

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    He could have said, what he said earlier. But he declined to. Weddle's comment was directed at Tanny and why the sudden improvement. Gase agreed. Said it was a lot on the QBs plate. It's very simple. I never said it was an indictment on Tannehill. He played much better after that.

    You're taking it as an indictment of Tanny because you're just too used to defending him even against anything you perceive may be a slight. Fact is, Tanny at this point, was not able to play well with everything Gase threw at him. Maybe next year. Maybe never. Who knows.

    But the reins were pulled back just a little, and Tanny played much better. Those are the facts. And Gase's words, are his words. They pulled it back. It was too much for Tanny, at that point. Who knows what happens next year. They may loosen the reins little by little.
     
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  3. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Wow...this thread's still going?

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  4. cbrad

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    LOL!

    I will say this though.. the attacks from both sides are nowhere near as bad as I remember them being in previous Tannehill threads. I think getting into the playoffs has had SOME positive effect on the discourse.
     
  5. rafael

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    The offense was scaled back but it wasn't b/c of Tanny. It was b/c too many other players didn't know the offense well enough. I keep seeing this repeated as "fact" (that the offense was scaled back b/c Tanny couldn't handle it), but that's an inaccurate characterization.
     
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  6. resnor

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    No, dude, it's not a "fact," no matter how many times you say it is. It COULD BE a fact, or, it COULD BE that Gase simplified it because others couldn't get it right, and that was putting too much on Tannehill. You understand how that could work, right?

    Again, I'm not the one dictating things as fact. I'm not the one putting words in Gases mouth. I'm looking at some quotes, and giving some ideas.

    Frankly, if we know that early in the year Gase was happy with Tannehill, and said he was doing well running the offense...then a couple months later he's simplified, making those comments, does it really make sense to take the position that somehow Tannehill forgot everything he was doing, and just totally regressed? Or does it make more sense that Gase simplified it because he was sick of Tannehill having to identify defenses and switch plays, AND THEN have to also burn more time on the clock to get the offense set up correctly because other players weren't up to par? That scenario I just laid out sounds an awful lot like "alot on the QBs plate."

    But what do I know, I'm a simple Tannehill lover.
     
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  7. Fin-O

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    Do you have a link?
     
  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I remember it too, Gase said it didn't work because Tannehill essentially had to personally re-position the players to where they were supposed to be and it wasted too much time...don't have a link though.
     
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  9. Fin-O

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    Heres the thing. If you want to believe everything Gase say's (not that you shouldn't) then why not give credence to his constant praise of Matt Moore? He thinks very very highly of Matt, is he being honest or saying the right thing? I dunno.
     
  10. resnor

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    I'm not not giving credence to that. I think everyone is impressed at the job Moore is doing. All I've ever said, so far this season, is that Moore isn't playing unreal football like a Marino or Rodgers, and that he's had sine really nice breaks go his way.

    I did expect more ints, but with Gase limiting his throws + getting away with some poor throws, you get what we've gotten this year from him. Decent play, with a winning record.
     
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  11. roy_miami

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    This is life with an average QB. Go check out a random thread on Andy Dalton at a Bengals forum, the responses range from he's garbage and needs to go to Houston would be a Super Bowl contender with him under center. Most fans blame coaching and a lack of talent around him for his failures. I would imagine they had similar discussions to the ones we are having when McCarron stepped in last season and I would also bet its the same at every forum of teams with mediocre QBs.

    It is what it is.

    Here's an example:

     
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  12. danmarino

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    It's life with mediocre teams. If you've noticed, a lot of the "trade RT" crowd have changed their opinion and some have openly said they were eating crow.

    This is about some of the very few who think Moore is a better QB. Sure, they try to spin their defense of Moore by claiming that people are saying Moore's garbage (when no one has come close to saying that and in fact said we're lucky to have him). In reality, some here have thought it ridiculous that others want Moore to be the starting QB of the Dolphins based off of 2 games and that has caused some people to get defensive.
     
  13. roy_miami

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    A lot changed their opinion on him a few times this season. Even Resnor was saying he never really believed Tannehill was that good at one point this season. Changing opinions, constant debates, the odd tease that its breaking one way or the other are all a part of the deal. And we probably have several more years of it to look forward to.
     
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  14. danmarino

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    I'm not really arguing about how good RT is. The debate, at least it seems to be, is about Moore being better than RT. There are just no facts or stats to back that opinion up. Sure, you can cherry pick a few things in order to make that assertion, but no rational football fan would say that Matt Moore is a better QB than RT.
     
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  15. roy_miami

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    Tannehill's trade value is higher because he's perceived to have more upside but I wouldn't bet my life that Tannehill would outperform Moore if you could somehow simulate them both over a 100 game sample at the Bills in December.
     
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  16. jdang307

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    "It was a lot on the QBs plate."

    Gase's words in response to Weddle's comments that Tannehill is not Rivers or Peyton.

    Who's being inaccurate. Are you saying Gase threw Tanny under the bus? These are words from his mouth. Show me more words from his mouth after the Baltimore game that support your argument.

    Gase's comments were not made in a vacuum. Weddle specifically called into question Tanny's mental ability to run what Gase asked him to run. Again, I quote:

    Weddle is saying, Tanny is not on that level, and can't run that style of offense. No beating around the bush, that's what he's said.

    He got more specific:

    Notice Weddle isn't mentioning anyone else, but Tannehill's mental ability here. So, Gase who has been extra defensive of Tannehill all year, he's got his back, he's got a chance here to correct Weddle and point out, Tannehill can run this style of offense, but it's the other players that are having this problem, right? I mean, we all know he's done just that earlier this year. His first words?

    He's been so quick all year to defend Tanny against criticism, yet he doesn't here. Y'all can hang onto what he said (and yes I remember it) when they were 1-4 or whatever, but after their winning streak, before Baltimore, this is what he's saying. And what he did NOT say, was that Tanny could handle the mental aspect just fine it was just the other guys.

    Where is Gase's rebuttal to Weddle?

    Happy New Year.
     
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  17. jdang307

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    Yeah, no. Ryan is better than Matt. Although I think above the neck, Moore is better than Ryan (he is more experienced after all), Tanny is just too physically ahead of Moore.

    Moore's head on Tanny's body is better than Tanny, IMO.
     
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  18. Fin-O

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    No question on that front. However if he sticks with Gase? A lot could change
     
  19. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    To be fair, you're saying this part is clearly a knock on Tannehill:

    "They're not making mistakes, he's not trying to check to different calls, different plays, figuring out what coverages the defense is running. He's just getting up there and running what they're running."

    But that's not factual based on the statement, knowing what Gase said about Tannehill having to tell everybody where to go. Could just as likely be that the time wasted re-positioning everybody drives that too.
     
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  20. danmarino

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    Well, he's already outperformed Moore for the last 5 years or Moore would be the Dolphins starter.
     
  21. resnor

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    I've said this numerous times, but he ignores it, and just repeats his little narrative. A narrative that is fueled by his dislike of Tannehill. He refuses to even consider that his interpretation of the quote is wrong.
     
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  22. danmarino

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    Are you basing this off of 2 games?
     
  23. Fin-O

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    I think most will agree even the ones who would eat chicken wings from Ryan's underwear that Matt's knowledge of the game is much higher than most starting Qb's in the league. Its why you see performances like you did vs the Jets...he reads defenses well and thats why his average at best talent gets by.
     
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  24. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya he seems to recognize pressure a lot better.
     
  25. resnor

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    I don't agree that his knowledge of the game is better than most starting QBs.
     
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  26. danmarino

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    What are you basing this off of? I've seen nothing that shows his football acumen is better than half the QB's in the league.
     
  27. Fin-O

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    Well it's an opinion not a "fact" anyway you cut it.

    Although Iam curious as to why you think that. I dont think he has stuck around in this league off of pure talent...he didn't beat the Jets zero blitz like a drum because his arm strength.
     
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  28. Fin-O

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    Read above.
     
  29. danmarino

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    His career sack% is the exact same as RT's.
     
  30. Fin-O

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    Matt has a better career TD/INT ratio...careful just looking up "stats"
     
  31. resnor

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    Yeah, I think throwing to Steve Smith helps ones td to int radio. Didn't he also have Greg Olsen?

    I mean, if he's so much more cerebral than other QBs, then he'd be like Pennington, weak am, but a career starting QB.
     
  32. resnor

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    Also, if beating blitzes is what defines a smart QB, then Henne and Tannehill are also very smart.
     
  33. danmarino

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    There's no doubt that he's a smart QB. Basing your opinion of a 9 year veteran off of 1 game is cherry picking don't you think?

    In this season he put up a 91 passer rating against the Cards. RT put up a 124. Moore put up an 87 against the Bills while RT put up a 100. Moore had a great game against the Jets (126 vs 86), but it was plain to see that the Jets had given up on the season by then.
     
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  34. danmarino

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    During his career RT has averaged about 6th in the league for passer rating against the blitz.
     
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  35. resnor

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    More has a 4.7 td %, and a 3.6 int %. Tannehill has a 4 TD%, and a 2.5 int%.
     
  36. danmarino

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    ummm...no he doesn't
     
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  37. Fin-O

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    There is much more to it than that. Looking at history how many times have we seen Ryan beat the zero blitz like that? I bet you could count on one hand. In the past Ryan lacked the anticipation to throw that before he actually saw anyone open. Matt clearly processes things faster post snap.

    Before you guy's get your panties in a bunch, I DO NOT THINK MATT IS BETTER THAN RYAN...
     
  38. resnor

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    Tannehill has 106 tds and 66 ints. Moore has 39 tds and 30 ints.
     
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  39. Fin-O

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    I meant this year...my bad. Point still remains, stats can be misleading. If not then I would use this "stat" for a poor argument of who is better.
     
  40. resnor

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    Tannehill hasn't really struggled against the blitz. He's struggled against quick pressure without a Blitz.
     
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