Ryan "Timex" Tannehill: takes a licking and keeps on ticking
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resnorforum_veteran"Nappy Roots wrote:
Ignore the OL?
We have poured a ton of resources into our OL. We just have spent those resources terribly.
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It was ignored this offseason. It was ignored by not having a replacement ready for Albert, who everyone knew wouldn't stay healthy. We have thrown money and picks at ****ty players.
dolphin25forum_veteranit is good to see the excuses for Tannehill continue to pour in...... he is just not good folks.
Lord help us.
resnorforum_veteran"dolphin25 wrote:
it is good to see the excuses for Tannehill continue to pour in...... he is just not good folks.
LMAO
You just don't stop.
You're right, though, saying that the offense line is a huge problem is simply "making excuses."
These aren't excuses. These are the problems that have existed since day one. Tannehill has been saddled with these issues since he was drafted.
jdang307subscriber"resnor wrote:
It was ignored this offseason. It was ignored by not having a replacement ready for Albert, who everyone knew wouldn't stay healthy. We have thrown money and picks at ****ty players.
It wasn't ignored. It was just dealt with poorly with bad decisions. But it wasn't ignored.
resnorforum_veteran"jdang307 wrote:
It wasn't ignored. It was just dealt with poorly with bad decisions. But it wasn't ignored.
Really? I'd saying not signing Mathis, and rolling with what we had, qualifies as ignoring the problem.
jdang307subscriberDrafted a lineman. Went after La'el. Kicked the tires on Mathis.
Like I said they didn't ignore it. Just dealt with it poorly.
Plus we were told on this very forum if guards are your biggest problem it's a good position to be in.
Rock Sextonforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
Really? I'd saying not signing Mathis, and rolling with what we had, qualifies as ignoring the problem.
Uhhhh he turned us down bro. He wanted to play with a contender.
Opinions of Tannehill aside, here is what I will say:
I think it is absolutely disgraceful, deplorable, and moronic that this team would invest so much in a quarterback and then do such an incompetent job of trying to develop him. In 2012 we were cycling in receivers off of the waiver wire on a weekly basis to start opposite Brian Hartline, who almost died in training camp. Then we've consistently had one of the worst offensive lines -- by anyone's measurement -- for the past three years. Who are the coaches we've put in charge of his development? Oh.
It goes without saying that the most important decision that Steve Ross is going to screw up in 2016 is the hiring of a new head football coach. I can't wait to see what kind of schlep he brings in to screw up the development of our NEXT quarterback.
Serpico Jonesforum_veteran"btfu149 wrote:
Do you trust Ross to do that? I agree it's the right decision but because it's the right thing to do doesn't mean Ross will do it.
Yes I do. I don't think Ross was ever happy with the Hickey hire. He didn't deserve the job in the first place.
resnorforum_veteran"Rock Sexton wrote:
Uhhhh he turned us down bro. He wanted to play with a contender.
I didn't think we even offered Mathis a contract.
Rock Sextonforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
I didn't think we even offered Mathis a contract.
Does it matter? We weren't contenders.
“The No. 1 priority in finding a new place to play was playing for a contender,” Mathis said. “The Broncos weren’t in the mix early on. They were kind of the darkhorse in the race. They emerged here late and I just couldn’t turn down that opportunity.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/26/evan-mathis-i-just-couldnt-turn-down-broncos-opportunity/
resnorforum_veteran"Rock Sexton wrote:
Does it matter? We weren't contenders.
“The No. 1 priority in finding a new place to play was playing for a contender,” Mathis said. “The Broncos weren’t in the mix early on. They were kind of the darkhorse in the race. They emerged here late and I just couldn’t turn down that opportunity.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/26/evan-mathis-i-just-couldnt-turn-down-broncos-opportunity/
Actually, yes, in the context of what you're arguing with me about, it does matter. The Dolphins didn't even attempt to sign him.
That's my whole point. Whether he would have accepted a contact from us is completely different.
Rock Sextonforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
Actually, yes, in the context of what you're arguing with me about, it does matter. The Dolphins didn't even attempt to sign him.
That's my whole point. Whether he would have accepted a contact from us is completely different.
They had internal conversations about him. They knew his asking price and it was out of their ballpark.
But again, it's pointless because he didn't want to play for this sorry ass franchise. But please .... do go on about throwing another big contract out there. I mean the last two have been worth the money **eye roll**.
Rock Sextonforum_veteranAnd the Mathis camp and Dolphins are far apart on the money issue while neither side feels any significant desperation or feels close to any looming deadline to do a deal.
When the Dolphins initially called Mathis (actually his agent Drew Rosenhaus) sources tell me the two spoke of parameters of where they would like to be in getting a deal signed.
The Dolphins were willing to do a deal similar to what they did a year ago with guard Daryn Colledge and center Samson Satele. In other words, the Dolphins are willing to pay an older stopgap player around $2-$3 million per season in a deal that doesn't tie them up for a second season although it might be a two-year deal.
Mathis, who was scheduled to earn $5.5 million from the Eagles in 2015, wants a deal that at least makes him back that money he was expecting. He wants to feel whole again."
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2015/08/the-reasons-evan-mathis-is-not-a-miami-dolphin.html
resnorforum_veteranNot wanting to pay the man money is I guess better than not improving your oline, flushing your season, and making your highly paid QB play hurt all year.
It's funny, people came out in droves defending Luck for being hurt, but no one wants to talk about Tannehill playing hurt. The narrative is just that he sucks, and this season proves it.
Silverphinforum_veteran"jdang307 wrote:
Drafted a lineman. Went after La'el. Kicked the tires on Mathis.
Like I said they didn't ignore it. Just dealt with it poorly.
Plus we were told on this very forum if guards are your biggest problem it's a good position to be in.
That's a fair assessment.
Rock Sextonforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
Not wanting to pay the man money is I guess better than not improving your oline, flushing your season, and making your highly paid QB play hurt all year.
It's funny, people came out in droves defending Luck for being hurt, but no one wants to talk about Tannehill playing hurt. The narrative is just that he sucks, and this season proves it.
Again, he was never going to play for us. They knew it. They did their due diligence by even gauging what his asking price was.
Sceetoforum_veteranIMO, their real neglect this off-season was with the LBs. Regarding the OL, Albert is gimpy, but when healthy, he's solid and there was no great option available out there. Our Pro-Bowl center is out for the season. Our first round pick RT is out for the year. Wtf do we all expect? I always mention that SO much come down to chance, luck and circumstance. We've been on the short end of the s--t stick for awhile now. Sucks, but it is what it is.
Fin Dforum_veteran"jdang307 wrote:
Drafted a lineman. Went after La'el. Kicked the tires on Mathis.
Like I said they didn't ignore it. Just dealt with it poorly.
Plus we were told on this very forum if guards are your biggest problem it's a good position to be in.
If guards are your biggest problem you are in good shape.
It turns out guards were not our biggest problem.
Shane FalcoNew Member"dolphin25 wrote:
it is good to see the excuses for Tannehill continue to pour in...... he is just not good folks.
If you keep saying it maybe someday it will come true. But I doubt it.
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"Fin D wrote:
If guards are your biggest problem you are in good shape.
It turns out guards were not our biggest problem.
Getting shot in the head might be worse that getting shot in the gut, but they both suck pretty bad. Lousy Guard play has had a big effect on both the run and pass games, it's been a big problem no matter how you grade or rate it.
Fin Dforum_veteran"jim1 wrote:
Getting shot in the head might be worse that getting shot in the gut, but they both suck pretty bad. Lousy Guard play has had a big effect on both the run and pass games, it's been a big problem no matter how you grade or rate it.
Lousy guard play has been a problem, no one is saying it wasn't. The bigger problem is that our tackles have been hurt on top of lousy guard play and our backups suck horribly bad.
If we had solid to great tackles that played all year, guards would be our biggest problem and that puts us in pretty good shape.
"Fin D wrote:
Lousy guard play has been a problem, no one is saying it wasn't. The bigger problem is that our tackles have been hurt on top of lousy guard play and our backups suck horribly bad.
If we had solid to great tackles that played all year, guards would be our biggest problem and that puts us in pretty good shape.
No, then you'd have two good Tackles, a Pro Bowl Center and two lousy Guards. And the lousy Guards would still be a big problem.
Fin Dforum_veteran"jim1 wrote:
No, then you'd have two good Tackles, a Pro Bowl Center and two lousy Guards. And the lousy Guards would still be a big problem.
No, they are a problem but a problem we can deal with.
There needs to be a real effort by this board to move away from extremes and understand the gray in between.
For example, the guards can be a problem but that doesn't mean they are a season destruction problem. Hearing a lot of you talk its as if players are either great or so bad they destroy franchises.
All you need at guard is average level play. If you have solid to above average play at the tackles and center, then you can get away with crap guard play. Its not ideal, but it can be done and you're better off putting resources at more impactful positions. If those positions are fine, then yes, fix guard.
Our problem is that we virtually never had our starting line play and our backups are terrible.
"Fin D wrote:
No, they are a problem but a problem we can deal with.
There needs to be a real effort by this board to move away from extremes and understand the gray in between.
For example, the guards can be a problem but that doesn't mean they are a season destruction problem. Hearing a lot of you talk its as if players are either great or so bad they destroy franchises.
All you need at guard is average level play. If you have solid to above average play at the tackles and center, then you can get away with crap guard play. Its not ideal, but it can be done and you're better off putting resources at more impactful positions. If those positions are fine, then yes, fix guard.
Our problem is that we virtually never had our starting line play and our backups are terrible.
Understand the gray in between? You mean the middle ground, the non absolute, the compromise? Something a little more flexible? How's this gem of flexibility from you in post #94:
"If guards are your biggest problem you are in good shape."
Or this gem from the current post: "All you need at guard is average level play."
You're spouting off maxims like you were Chairman Mao in his little red book while our OL has been shot off at the knees the last couple of years by lousy Guard play. And by injuries. And by lack of depth at Tackle. And by lack of depth at Center. They're all big problems. When the Guards suck, we're not ok. If Tannenbaum, et al didn't learn that this year, then we're in trouble.
The irony is that the Dolphins are probably the template in showing how bad Guard play can f*** up a team. Plenty of other problems to go around, but we tried to sweep the Guard problem under the rug this year, and the rug monster bit us in the ass. For that brief window earlier in the year when Albert was getting it back in gear, Pouncey was ok and James was healthy, the OL still struggled with sh***y Guard play. Jamil Douglas sucked hard, Billy Turner is not very good, and Dallas Thomas sucks so hard and so often he should have a porn contract by now. The crappy Guard play is a big problem that wasn't fixed, and now it's biting us in the a**.
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