Having connections for comfort level does not always work out. If Ireland picks the right QB? is that in the draft or Free Agency? Schotty?

 

You mean to tell me it's not going to be magical elves that hire the new coach? I'll be damned.

 

Why would Schottenheimer be high on that list again?

 

Pod, can you go into more detail and context of what you heard King say?

 

and Mayock said it's Billick. Eveyone just throws stuff at a wall and sees what sticks and when it doesn't they blame it on a source...i'll believe coach x is the next coach when ross has a press conference and the coach isn't there

 

hope peter is right

 

What I'm (also) curious about is who will be interviewing the candidates and who will be in the room.

If Harbaugh was a preview, it's Ross and Ireland. Will Carl Peterson be as well?

 

Don't know about everyone, but I've never felt any differently than this hire will be Ross. You did say "Now it is made clear..." and in actuality, it's Mando simply reporting that line, but as I said, I certainly think that Ross, the businessman will be making this hire. Whether or not it works out is to be determined. I think it's widely known that Ross wants a name brand guy running the show and whether that includes Ireland, imho, has always been up to the particular guy that is hired.

Mando is right about the one thing that has allowed this regime to thrive... anonymity of blame. Was it a Quit-cells move, an Ireland move or someone Tony insisted on ?? We've all made and seen claims like "Why would Sparano want Colombo, he's a bum", but never has any of the guys come out and said "I wanted that guy". It was widely reported that Quit-cells made the White draft, but not one time has Quit-cells, Ireland or Sparano ever said that was the way it went down... Who wanted this guy in the draft or that guy in FA that didn't work out. TBH though and in their defense, none of them have crowed about themselves individually of any good moves made either.

I think Ross has learned a lot since last January and has concocted a plan of action for the replacement of Sparano and that may include a replacement of Ireland, we just don't know yet...

 

So who normally makes the coaching hire decision? Is it the GM, VP of Football Operations, or the owner?

 

There's something about Jeff Fisher that makes me feel uneasy. Feels like more of the same from what we had in Sparano.

 

Heck we would be doing the Jets a huge favor if we hired Schottie. He is not a great OC so why would he be a good HC. Frankly, I don't see Cowher or Gruden coming on board so I guess at this point I'm leaning towards Jeff Fisher as the guy I'm most interested in.

 

Is it because of the mustache? I get the same vibe.

 

Perhaps. That, and the fact he only had 6 winning seasons in 17 years of coaching. A bunch of 8-8's and 7-9's in there. Just seems like more of the same. Plus, he's pushing 60; I'd personally rather have a younger guy come in, who if he were to be successful, could potentially be around longer.

 

What criteria is Ireland using to put together this list?

How does he know who the good candidates are, outside of his circle of knowledge?

It sounds like Armando is specualting on what kinds of coaches are on the list. I can't imagine Ireland pushing a college guy.

This whole thing has disaster written all over it. A second or thrid choice coach, no QB, more mediocrity. Groundhog Day

 

You're right, I read 58 when looking that up. Forgive me, it's early. Born in 1958, not 58 years old.

Regardless, I'm not a fan of Fisher. Ireland's talked about familiarity a number of times; that strikes me as the primary reason Fisher would be on any list that Ireland is putting together. That worries me.

 

I still believe Carl Peterson will play a significant role in the hiring of a Head Coach. I think he'll play a large role in setting up the meeting. I think he'll play a large role in selling Ross and/or Ireland to a prospective coach. He will also have a large role in campaigning to Ross on whom he believes would be worthy of an interview and/or hire.

 

Fisher is a good coach, but he hasn't shown any special qualities outside of longevity.

When he's had good QB play, he's won. When he hasn;t his teams have been mediocre. Kind of like tony.

 

You just categorized almost every Head Coach in the history of this league. Bill Walsh wasn't anything until Montana, Belichick nothing until Brady, Noll nothing until Bradshaw. At the very least, Fischer has shown ways to get his team to the playoffs with mediocre QB play--McNair at times and Vince Young

 

Bill cowher made it to the SB with Neil O'donnell and multiple aFC Championship games with Kordell and tommy Maddox.

So, yeah, fisher is amongst the hundreds of coaches who are good enough to win when they get good QB play. He is nothing special otherwise. That was my only point. Which is why I prefer Cowher, or even Gruden.

 

Cowher's best coaching seasons came with Kordell Stewart as the QB. He also had the help of Chan Gailey and Mike Mularkey, genius offensive minds. However, I will give you the fact he won with mediocre play.

But, he never went to an AFC Championship game with Maddox, and I'd say that in 95 when they went to a Supwr Bowl O'Donnell's 88 QBR and 17/7 TD/INT ratio was hardly mediocre at that time. It was very much McNair-esque, which Fischer showed he was just as capable of winning with.

 

He went to the playoffs with Maddox I believe, but regardless, Cowher has clearly shown an ability to win big with very average, to below average QBs.

Fisher has not.

That is not to say that Fisher isn't a good coach or that I am against hiring him. I am not. I am just saying that Fisher alone will make no difference unless we get a top flight QB. If he decides to go with Matt Moore or we whiff on the next QB, then in 2015 we'll be talking about firing Fisher.

 

You're wrong. In 1999, when the Titans went to the Super Bowl, they did it with a 78.6 rated QB named Steve McNair. That's very average, below average. That's going to the Super Bowl and losing by a yard with Chad Henne.

He achieved as much as Bill Cowher did with mediocre QB play, which consisted of playoff runs 2002 (AFC Championship Game 84 QBR very much O'Donnel-esque), 2003 with Co-MVP Steve McNair, 2007 with Vince Young rated 71.1, and 2008 with Kerry Collins rated 80.2.

So he went to a Super Bowl, an AFC Championship Game, and 4 other playoff appearances with a QB rated above an 84 once! (during McNair's MVP year).

It wasn't until Cowher had Roethlisberger in 2005 and his 98.6 QBR that he won a Super Bowl.

This idea that Cowher has done more with less couldn't be further from the truth.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cowher

Cowher coached the steelers for 15 years and reached the playoffs 10 times, winning 8 division championships, a SB win, a sB appearance, and 4 AFc championship appearances. His QBs prior to 2004 were O'Donnell, Kordell, bubby Brister and Tommy Maddox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Fisher

Jeff Fisher coached the Titans for 16 full years, and most of a 17th, so the comparison between the two is similar.

During his career he has only 6 playoff appearances in 17 years. He was one and done 4 of the 6 times. He then made one SB and one addittional AFC Champ.

Fisher is a good coach, but to suggest that he has had even half the career that Cowher has is simply worng.

 

I understand that if cowher is not available, then Fisher is a reasonable choice.

But any suggestion that the two men are somehow equivalent, or that their track records are similar is just wrong, and belies every fact that exists.

Cowher has proven over a simila period of time to be a superior coach while palying with worse qBs than Fisher has had. Obviously the Steelers had alot of talent elsewhere but the fact remains the same.

 

I understand that part. But I guess my question is that normally how it's handled? Or is this breaking from the wide tradition in the NFL with the owner having the final say? Or is just breaking tradition from the Parcell's era where I assume he, VP of FO, picked the coach?

 

I do not think Ireland is as safe as some seem to think he is. I like that Ross is taking ownership of firing Sporano and accountability for whoever he hires to replace him. I hope he does not become another Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones. I hope he follows the model of the Rooneys.

I am still reserving my overall opinion of him as an owner until I see more from him but my general impression of him so far is that he wants to please us fans. The mistakes he has made scare me a little bit because they make me question his competency.

Chasing after Harbough was not so bad if he had done it without the entire football community knowing what he was up to. What I want to know was if he went about it the way he did against the advice of his front office or if none of them advised against it. I give him a pass on not being aware that he would be tracked like he was. Kudos to those of you who were tracking his plane minute by minute. Sometimes some of you really impress me with your tenacity and that was one of those moments. Our front office should not of underestimated the football communities watchful eye and if they did (which I suspect) it implies we need to clean out the people in charge of operations.

The night club thing in the stadium I seem to be in the minority about but I am in favor of making the game experience as enjoyable as possible for the fans. I do not see how adding a club being a negative thing. I do understand how doing things like adding a club or airconditioning, celebrating college football when Tebow is under center against us can all be percieved as bad decissions. Again I question if anyone in our front office spoke up or they just cheered Ross on. Again I suspect Ross is getting bad input from his staff.

Firing Sporano I intialy thought was an emotional response to our loss and a fear that KC would get a head start on finding coach and maybe getting the guy we wanted by beating us to the punch. I am now wondering if Maybe Ross was planning on letting Tony go around week 8 and giving Bowles his chance all along but could not do it while Tony was winning games. Tony getting on a hot streak may of been an inconvience to what Ross has been planning. The idea may of been to give TB an 8 game resumee to review in the off season to decide if he is the young Don Shula or if we need to look at someone else. Its only been 1 game but already TB looks like a better game time manager then TS. I like Tony but he lacked game time skill IMO.

I'm glad Ross is going to man up, choose a new coach, and stand behind that choice. I really hope its not Fisher. IMO he is about the same as TS. I think they are both middle tier coaches. I want to take a good look at bowles the next couple of weeks and I hope we give Chud a good look. I like Chud because I think he can find and develop us a franchise QB. I wont commit suicide if we go after Cowher or Gruden but I'ld rather see us look at up n coming coaches with a promising future. I also want to see us clean out our front office. I was hoping BP was going to fix the front office but not so much. I will say one positive thing about the trifecta. They did undo a lot of damage that was here in terms of personel and cap issues. The new staff will benefit from that. Wanny and Saban both mortgaged this teams future and left a big mess for Cam and Parcels to clean up. I think at least those issues are behind us. I think we need to just draft BPA and really start buildinmg this team around playmakers.

 

But everybody Ireland deems worthy of Ross’ attention will be on that list.

Ireland will then turn over that list, and then the search for Miami’s ninth head coach will begin.

Ireland will not lead that search. Carl Peterson, if or when he gets hired by the Dolphins, will not lead that search.

Stephen Ross will lead that search. Period.

What sounds to be getting lost in all this is.....Ross will only interview who Ireland DECIDES is worthy of an interview. Then Ross will chose from THAT list. So.......if Jay Gruden is not listed, he wont be hired or even interviewed, whether he is ready to be a HC or not. So...........Ireland has more power in this than some are realizing. For PERCEIVED job security, Ireland might only include HCing candidates that ARE the big names and NO up and comers will be on the list.

 

If Ireland is looking for job security he will list guys who won't to push to fire him.

He can't get away with leaving Cowhre/Gruden/fisher off the list, because Ross knows who they are, but anybody else who might make waves for old El Jeffe will be absent.

 

I really have no problem with Steve Ross asserting himself here. None at all. He squashed the Kyle Orton trade that Ireland set up. That was a good call. He squashed the Carson Palmer trade when the team was 0-5. That was a good call. He tried to hire Jim Harbaugh. That was a good call.

It's his team. If it were my team, the very last thing I would want to happen is feel like I got bullied by "football people" (who aren't good at football) making all these decisions I didn't agree with and then I'm losing money and having a sucky team because of them.

I love this sudden wave of support for Jeff Ireland. In 2008, we were 11-5 but couldn't beat any good teams. We even had good QB play but every time we faced a good team we were outmatched. The reason? Not enough talent. That's what everyone said. Coming off that 1-15 roster, Jeff Ireland just didn't have enough time to re-stock the roster with talent. With more time, we'll start beating those good opponents.

Three years later, we're 0-5 against winning teams, 4 of our 5 wins have come against losing teams, we're 1-2 against .500 teams and one of our losses came against a 6-8 Eagles team that is red hot with Mike Vick back from injury and could very well finish 8-8.

We are essentially the same team. And everyone's all about keeping Brian Daboll and Mike Nolan...so how bad could the coaching really be?

Yet this time it's not Jeff Ireland's talent. He's evidently done a tremendous job stocking the roster with talent.

I guess Marc Colombo is the first right tackle in the history of the NFL to be single-handedly responsible for 9 losses.

And I guess that even though Jeff Ireland has final say on all personnel matters written into his contract, he gets a pass on that because...well, just because we love handing out free passes I guess.

 

The attempt to hire Harbaugh was all Ross. Ireland accompanied him on the trip to be introduced but Ireland, in no way shape or form, influenced Ross in his attempt to hire the guy. There is no owner in the NFL that will interview a potential new HC without his GM sitting in on the same meeting even if the GM is not going to be around too long.

 

No he hasn't. And that's my point. You keep dropping names like Stewart, Maddox, Brister and O'Donnell. Yes, they we're mediocre over the course of their careers, but when they made the playoffs they wee rent terrible.

You said Fisher hasn't done anything with average/below average QB's. You were proven wrong. He has. He accomplished as much as Cowher did by getting to a Super Bowl. Cowher won with a very good Roethlisberger.

Now, you're trying to say that over the course of their careers Cowher was a better coach. I'm not arguing that. Cowher is a better coach, historically than Fisher. However, this idea that Cowher was blessed with atrocious QB play and Fisher underachieved with his flatly wrong. fisher had a QB play above a QBR of 84 twice in his 16 years...for what he did, he clearly showed the ability to win and take his team to success with average QB play.

I was in the middle of posting Cowher's playoff team's QB credentials vs. Fisher's. I only posted the playoff teams, because you're boasting doing more with less, and doing more in my mind is playoffs at least.

Here is what I found, the short story.

Cowher only had 2 really below average QB's during his 92-97 run. In 1996, he led a team with Mike Tomzcak at QB and his 71.8 something QBR. In 1997, he got a team to the AFC Championship with Kordell Stewart and his 75.2 QBR. O'Donnell had QBR's of 84, 79, 80, and 88 roughly---which again were much better than any 4 year span Fisher got. During that time, he went to an AFC Championship and SB, and was bounced out in the playoffs twice in their 1st game.

In 2001, he had Kordell and his 82 QBR, lost in AFC Championship game, and Kordell (82 QBR) and Tommy Maddox (86 QBR) in 2002, where he lost in his second playoff game.

Then 2004, he had a rookie Ben Roethlisberger (98 QBR) that lost to NE in the AFC Championship Game. In 2005, he won with his best QB experience with Ben having a 98.6 QBR.

His best 2 coaching seasons were in 96 & 97, where his QB talent was clearly below average. But again, ever single result and season he was saddled with in many instances with the same QB situation as Fisher, some cases better QB play, and had the same results.

I don't give Cowher anymore style points for taking a team led by an 85 QBR QB and losing in the 1st round than Fisher having. 70 QBR QB and not making the playoffs.

 

Yes, Ross got to his position in life by being blind. LMAO. Your reasoning makes zero sense.